Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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I'm sure the decision to pull these from one avenue of sale has more to do with a strategic business decision rather than a sign of imminent demise. All businesses start "small" and knowing when to pull products/services that aren't cutting the mustard is a positive move in my book. Like others mentioned earlier, these are phenomenal liquids, but very few have been repeat orders for me. I'm still sitting on a large bottle of Vurley from over a year ago.
Well, I did it. I ordered a French press, 1 "small particle filtering felt screen sheets" in a 12x12 size to start with (hope this is the right stuff - it was a link from the filtering rolls screen), and 3 tobaccos from Pipes and Cigars. Just to start simple I ordered Lane RLP (burley, cavendish, virginia), Lane BCA (black cavendish) and H&H Gramdma's Kitchen (just because it sounds good!). I will go to my local Wally World over the weekend and pick up a few mason jars. I figure I can put them out on the covered deck for a semi heat extraction since it is in the 90s every day here in Florida 
. Here I go!
OMG, what am I doing???????
. Here I go!OMG, what am I doing???????
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Well, I did it. I ordered a French press, 1 "small particle filtering felt screen sheets" in a 12x12 size to start with (hope this is the right stuff - it was a link from the filtering rolls screen), and 3 tobaccos from Pipes and Cigars. Just to start simple I ordered Lane RLP (burley, cavendish, virginia), Lane BCA (black cavendish) and H&H Gramdma's Kitchen (just because it sounds good!). I will go to my local Wally World over the weekend and pick up a few mason jars. I figure I can put them out on the covered deck for a semi heat extraction since it is in the 90s every day here in Florida
OMG, what am I doing???????
Assuming that you bought a 12oz (3 cup) French Press, the diameter of the carafe should be about 3". That means you'll get nine 3 1/4" round pads out of your filter sheet, enough to last for a very long time, since they're easily cleaned and can be re-used many times.
The pipe tobacco blends you ordered---all aromatics---should be easy to extract and quite flavorful (cigars can be more challenging). Your "sun tea" back deck semi-heat-assisted method ought to work well. Give the macerations at least two weeks; a month would be better. Solvent is your choice, of course, but since the tobaccos are aromatics, all PG would be good (VG adds sweetness). Half an ounce of tobacco covered with 120ml of PG will yield enough extract to keep a small army in NET juice. Installing the filter pad in the French Press plunger assembly is self-evident. You'll get the hang of filtering very quickly. This is not rocket science. Anyone with a reasonable amount of common sense can do it. (Also, feel free to ignore everything I've written and do whatever pleases you.)
What have you done? You've headed down the yellow brick road and are off to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Oz.
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hence rebuilding Kanger coils
pardon the typos, on my phone
Correct me if I;m wrong but only the single kanger coils can be rebuilt so that rules out all their good tanks.
Well, I did it. I ordered a French press, 1 "small particle filtering felt screen sheets" in a 12x12 size to start with (hope this is the right stuff - it was a link from the filtering rolls screen), and 3 tobaccos from Pipes and Cigars. Just to start simple I ordered Lane RLP (burley, cavendish, virginia), Lane BCA (black cavendish) and H&H Gramdma's Kitchen (just because it sounds good!). I will go to my local Wally World over the weekend and pick up a few mason jars. I figure I can put them out on the covered deck for a semi heat extraction since it is in the 90s every day here in Florida
OMG, what am I doing???????
Do you have a link for the felt. I beginning to think my net isn't filtered enough because it takes an hour to burn cotton/clog and its just in the coil area, it also pulls free.
Well, I did it. I ordered a French press, 1 "small particle filtering felt screen sheets" in a 12x12 size to start with (hope this is the right stuff - it was a link from the filtering rolls screen), and 3 tobaccos from Pipes and Cigars. Just to start simple I ordered Lane RLP (burley, cavendish, virginia), Lane BCA (black cavendish) and H&H Gramdma's Kitchen (just because it sounds good!). I will go to my local Wally World over the weekend and pick up a few mason jars. I figure I can put them out on the covered deck for a semi heat extraction since it is in the 90s every day here in Florida
OMG, what am I doing???????
Good luck! More importantly.. have fun!
Just a Pro Tip for you coil builders out there…make sure you recover any errant scraps of Kanthal, especially those that end up on the floor. Otherwise you will be pulling half inch pieces out of your foot. In the words of the great LeVar Burton "You don't have to take my word for it." #themoreyouknow
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I hope you're not rebuilding your KFL coils every time you refill your tank. KFL coils are meant to stay put for long periods unless you want to tinker with wattage or coil builds. The beauty of KFLs are that you just dry burn the coil before filling the tank and then rewick. Changing just the wicks every refill should be good enough. I personally use my coils for 2-3 months and only change them out when they get very rough with use or I want to change the wattage.
You're the man Bill! Nothing like giving us peons a kick start of confidence. I will be traveling that yellow brick road soon. I just need a little time off judging the BBQ contests every weekend.
I ordered the French Press you so kindly sent us the link to Bill. I was wondering how long to steep and you already answered that question for me! I love to cook and I love crafts, kinda like both! I am excited to try this. Plus I will actually will have something to trade so I won't feel like a freeloader. Not that I ever got that feeling from any of you, just the way I feel. Anything I have PIF'D, which feels good, was nothing anyone here would have wanted. Well, I do have some 8mg Honey Melon.... honey vapes and I don't sing well together LOL! You don't want to hear me attempt to sing! I will be digging back through this thread amd the slow cooker extraction thread as I go along.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Bill!
pardon the typos, on my phone
Thanks for the vote of confidence Bill!
pardon the typos, on my phone
This excerpt is taken from Indigo Vapor's website in their "NETS" section.
"NETs, or Naturally Extracted Tobaccos, utilize a NET base with synthetic flavors to enhance the overall flavor profile of each custom blend. The tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine , and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required - giving us control over the nicotine content. A similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans is used to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco alkaloids are present in these extracts."
Is it me, or is this slightly confusing? I can't tell whether they are saying the extract used is just TA or if the TA is in addition. I don't necessarily care, but I would like to know. I won't even bother right now touching the "other minor alkaloids" bit.
[Forgive me if this has already been discussed and I missed it.]
"NETs, or Naturally Extracted Tobaccos, utilize a NET base with synthetic flavors to enhance the overall flavor profile of each custom blend. The tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine , and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required - giving us control over the nicotine content. A similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans is used to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco alkaloids are present in these extracts."
Is it me, or is this slightly confusing? I can't tell whether they are saying the extract used is just TA or if the TA is in addition. I don't necessarily care, but I would like to know. I won't even bother right now touching the "other minor alkaloids" bit.
[Forgive me if this has already been discussed and I missed it.]
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Here is a link to the filter I ordered: (I ordered 1 12x12 sheet, 5 micron as in the lower right corner)
McMaster-Carr
click on filtering fabric
Here is the link to the French Press:
12 oz French Press Coffee Maker Great for Travel Office Home by Evelots | eBay
McMaster-Carr
click on filtering fabric
Here is the link to the French Press:
12 oz French Press Coffee Maker Great for Travel Office Home by Evelots | eBay
Okay, it's too hard for me not to go there. LOL. I noticed the language was eerily similar to something I had already encountered. I went to bat over the usage of the term "WTA" once used by Nudenic and by Nicoticket. Clark at Nicoticket changed his website and put up what I offered as a better solution, but I noticed it's been taken down (don't know when though). Now, the situation with Nudenic was a little bit more difficult and DVap stepped in to clarify things there. Their website was changed too (similar to what Nico's site was changed to). But, here's the interesting part:
IdigoVapor's site states: The tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine , and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required - giving us control over the nicotine content. A similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans is used to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco alkaloids are presentin these extracts."
And Nudenic's site says: Our tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine, and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required. We utilize a similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco minor alkaloids present in any extract will potentially result in a failed conitine test."
Those are both direct quotes! I know Nudenic is a supplier of sorts to other vendors, so I wonder if Indigo is getting their TA (or "NET") from Nudenic. If that is the case, I'd rather stick with their synths as I did not dig Nudenic's TA. Maybe, just maybe, this is quote was just taken from Nudenic's site???
Has anyone here tried these supposed nattys yet from Indigo? I have no issues with them as I have heard nothing but good things, but this is iffy to me. Its obvious the quote was lifted and tweaked (a tiny bit), but I can't help but to wonder if it was taken from the site becasue they get their TA from there. Not saying that is the case, but it is curious.
IdigoVapor's site states: The tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine , and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required - giving us control over the nicotine content. A similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans is used to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco alkaloids are presentin these extracts."
And Nudenic's site says: Our tobacco absolute extract is absent of nicotine, and can be truly formulated to 0mg/mL if required. We utilize a similar process to that of the decaffeination of coffee beans to remove trace nicotine from our product. However, please be advised, other minor tobacco minor alkaloids present in any extract will potentially result in a failed conitine test."
Those are both direct quotes! I know Nudenic is a supplier of sorts to other vendors, so I wonder if Indigo is getting their TA (or "NET") from Nudenic. If that is the case, I'd rather stick with their synths as I did not dig Nudenic's TA. Maybe, just maybe, this is quote was just taken from Nudenic's site???
Has anyone here tried these supposed nattys yet from Indigo? I have no issues with them as I have heard nothing but good things, but this is iffy to me. Its obvious the quote was lifted and tweaked (a tiny bit), but I can't help but to wonder if it was taken from the site becasue they get their TA from there. Not saying that is the case, but it is curious.
Personally, as much as I like Indigo and the man who runs it, I wouldn't touch their "NETs" with a ten-foot pole.
Great catch. I read Indigo's blurb and I was confused. Is it or no? Easy for me to get confused but that's neither here nor there.
Anyhow, I was mildy interested in the dragonfruit tobacco.
Yeah, it would be one thing if the quote was taken from a source like TPA or something, but it's too difficult not to make the connection considering Nudenic says they make their own.
Why's that Bill? Is it because of the TA blurb or another reason?
As you know I somewhat enjoyed NN's TA. Not that I'd want to buy it again if you know what I mean.
Indigo's still in my plans for next orders, as it's been for a while. I was going to load up on NETs after the announcement but I'll probably stick to mainly the artis and limit the.. ahem.. "NETs" until more info comes in.
Is Indigo the first well known vendor to have a category called "NET" when it's actually just TA? At least they admit it's TA on the page. Maybe they just don't realise a TA juice isn't what most would consider a NET.
Yeah, solely because of the TA. As NETs have grown and matured, Tobacco Absolute has sort of taken it on the chin for me. My brain can recognize TA in an eliquid immediately now, and it's not a taste I like much. I still have a whole bunch of TA-based juices in my long-term stash---Mom&Pop, Moondrop, Hangsen "Naturals," and some others---but I won't/don't vape any of them these days.
YMMV, of course.
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