Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[AnthonyB]

Still here, still reading and little time to post lately with work and World Cup spectator duties. I have some interesting tidbits I wish to share and hopefully there will be time on the weekend.

Perhaps the most important of these for me right now, and possibly for anyone else who ventured into MyVapeJuices recently with their new NET offerings is that they really start to shine at around 2-3 months and vigorous shaking helps this process along. Perhaps if I shaked them a bit more early on it would have expedited steeping. I had all but given up on them until one day... BANG. It's all there, the flavour, the nuances, the satisfaction. Is the trade off of flavour for cleanliness worth it? Absolutely.

I have barely gone through the juices I purchased from My vape juice and have only really spent time with two since they 'rose and became heaven' .

The two I have been vaping lately are Garo double habana and La Glorious habana.

I have also finalised a batch of heat extracted cohiba siglio IIs and some of this was rum infused. I just wish I had a lot more to share around. I have some 6 week old windowsill cold macerations which are ready to be filtered and bottled.


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[Jerms]

Yeah, solely because of the TA. As NETs have grown and matured, Tobacco Absolute has sort of taken it on the chin for me. My brain can recognize TA in an eliquid immediately now, and it's not a taste I like much. I still have a whole bunch of TA-based juices in my long-term stash---Mom&Pop, Moondrop, Hangsen "Naturals," and some others---but I won't/don't vape any of them these days.

YMMV, of course.

Makes sense.

Tobacco Absolute is a fitting name. Once someone decides they don't like TA, that feeling tends to be absolute.

 

[boomerdude]

You can get Kanger coil kits in 25 pcs. from Lightning Vapes. You get the base, the grommet (in silicon or rubber) and the conducting pin. You use the original coil funnel and seal, mouthpiece chamber and screw-in base, plus your own wire and wick.

That's why I want my ADV to be homenrewed. These are all relatively small business's some or just a couple emplyees and we all know the stats for small business's well staying in business. I have my ADV nailed down just having KFL (equipment issues.) I even think kanger coils could be hard to come by one day (hence the KFL.)

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yeah, solely because of the TA. As NETs have grown and matured, Tobacco Absolute has sort of taken it on the chin for me. My brain can recognize TA in an eliquid immediately now, and it's not a taste I like much. I still have a whole bunch of TA-based juices in my long-term stash---Mom&Pop, Moondrop, Hangsen "Naturals," and some others---but I won't/don't vape any of them these days.

YMMV, of course.

Yeah, hopefully they see this and address it -- we know vendors read these pages! As of now, I would stick to their regular line as I would really be ...... to order one thing and get another. And this brings us right back around to why those terms like WTA, TA and NET need to be understood and separated. Those that know the differences from a vaper's perspective aren't concerned with any trivial overlap, because when someone spends their money on fresh squeezed orange juice, they want that and not orange juice concentrate or essence of orange peel!

 

[boomerdude]

I too can recognize TA in a liquid immediately. I have a small bottle of Balkan TA that I use in some synthetic DIY's I mixed. One drop per 5 mls and I can pick it right out. It does add something to synthetic tobacco mixes, but I never saw the need making NET juices.

 

[Jerms]

While I've yet to try Indigo I've heard their artis are really good. In fact, I've heard that they kind of taste like NET! Now they have NET that may taste like TA. What's next, a TA juice that tastes like an arti?

It'll be interesting to find out how much the TA is involved in their new tobaccos. That can really make or break a TA juice. If they are going really light just to modify the flavor a bit, that could be a good thing. Still not a NET though.

 

[Mr.Mann]

While I've yet to try Indigo I've heard their artis are really good. In fact, I've heard that they kind of taste like NET! Now they have NET that may taste like TA. What's next, a TA juice that tastes like an arti?

It'll be interesting to find out how much the TA is involved in their new tobaccos. That can really make or break a TA juice. If they are going really light just to modify the flavor a bit, that could be a good thing. Still not a NET though.

Yeah, TCP was convinced that there synths were in fact natural. I do still want to try their regular line as that is what put them on the map. RPad also highly recommends them as well (if I remember correctly).

 

[clnire]

I think it is TA why I don't like synthetic tobaccos (other than a few RY4s). It seems to make me nauseous and I can pick it out right away. I had several I PIFed long ago. The main reason I got into NETs. And deeper and deeper into NETs....

pardon the typos, on my phone

 

[drthunder]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but Goodejuice.com is having a 50% off sale on NET's and premium eliquid. Ends Sunday night.

 

[Jerms]

I think it is TA why I don't like synthetic tobaccos (other than a few RY4s). It seems to make me nauseous and I can pick it out right away. I had several I PIFed long ago. The main reason I got into NETs. And deeper and deeper into NETs....

pardon the typos, on my phone

Keep in mind, TA and synthetic tobaccos are two different things (and both NETs and synthetics can also contain TA as an ingredient).

TA, like NET, is derived from tobacco leaves. Quite a different process is used to make TA. Commercial TA is made to be used in the perfume industry, but has turned out to be a widely used flavoring for vape juice. Some companies like VelvetCloudVapor and NudeNic make there own TA specifically for vape juice, but the process to make it is the same as commercial TA.

Synthetic tobacco flavoring doesn't involve real tobacco at all, it's made in a lab specifically for vape juice.

 

[Jerms]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but Goodejuice.com is having a 50% off sale on NET's and premium eliquid. Ends Sunday night.

Ummmm what..... WHAT?! Now THAT'S a sale!

Sadly, I have no money, otherwise I'd jump. I do plan on getting a couple bottles at 100% off by winning the current contest.

 

[johni]

Well, I did it. I ordered a French press, 1 "small particle filtering felt screen sheets" in a 12x12 size to start with (hope this is the right stuff - it was a link from the filtering rolls screen), and 3 tobaccos from Pipes and Cigars. Just to start simple I ordered Lane RLP (burley, cavendish, virginia), Lane BCA (black cavendish) and H&H Gramdma's Kitchen (just because it sounds good!). I will go to my local Wally World over the weekend and pick up a few mason jars. I figure I can put them out on the covered deck for a semi heat extraction since it is in the 90s every day here in Florida . Here I go!

OMG, what am I doing???????

Glad to see you made the jump. Like Jerms said, have some fun with it! Keep us posted and ask questions when in doubt. The process is really pretty simple and the rewards are satisfying.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but Goodejuice.com is having a 50% off sale on NET's and premium eliquid. Ends Sunday night.

Well, damn! I guess it is time to get more.

 

[johni]

Where have all the TA chuckleheads gone? Whenever anyone mentioned TA when they were around they were on it like vultures on a carcass!

 

[drthunder]

I am not sure if it is my taste but all the NET's from my HHV sample pack taste exactly the same. Just with a slight difference of 1 added flavor. Currently enjoying Legend the most, and it doesn't destroy my wicks which is a plus!

 

[clnire]

Keep in mind, TA and synthetic tobaccos are two different things (and both NETs and synthetics can also contain TA as an ingredient).

TA, like NET, is derived from tobacco leaves. Quite a different process is used to make TA. Commercial TA is made to be used in the perfume industry, but has turned out to be a widely used flavoring for vape juice. Some companies like VelvetCloudVapor and NudeNic make there own TA specifically for vape juice, but the process to make it is the same as commercial TA.

Synthetic tobacco flavoring doesn't involve real tobacco at all, it's made in a lab specifically for vape juice.

Yes, maybe it is not TA because I do understand TA is technically a NET. Not sure.... but good point. Thanks Jerms

 

[Jerms]

Yes, maybe it is not TA because I do understand TA is technically a NET. Not sure.... but good point. Thanks Jerms

Well.... depends who you ask, some would argue TA is technically a NET and some would argue it's not (I'm in the latter category). I look at it as; if a NET also include TA as an additive, it's still a NET. If TA is added to an artificial tobacco, it's still an arti. If TA is by itself, it's a TA juice. I think most here consider TA a separate category from NET and arti, while a minority may still consider TA technicall a NET.

Ohh, I have a way to make it really clear. Think of NET as a human. Then think of synthetic tobacco as an android, and the human and android had a child. Now image that human/android child taking a dump. That waste represents TA.

 

[Jerms]

I am not sure if it is my taste but all the NET's from my HHV sample pack taste exactly the same. Just with a slight difference of 1 added flavor. Currently enjoying Legend the most, and it doesn't destroy my wicks which is a plus!

HHV does have a strong signature taste. Because of that, they may seem pretty similar to some. As they age, they may separate more for you.

To put another way, it's pretty easy to recognise a HHV NET.

 

[sandman97289]

I am not sure if it is my taste but all the NET's from my HHV sample pack taste exactly the same. Just with a slight difference of 1 added flavor. Currently enjoying Legend the most, and it doesn't destroy my wicks which is a plus!

They all do use the same base so they will taste similar. But give them some time to steep. I've noticed dramatic improvements in flavor after 1 month of steeping.

 

[clnire]

Well.... depends who you ask, some would argue TA is technically a NET and some would argue it's not (I'm in the latter category). I look at it as; if a NET also include TA as an additive, it's still a NET. If TA is added to an artificial tobacco, it's still an arti. If TA is by itself, it's a TA juice. I think most here consider TA a separate category from NET and arti, while a minority may still consider TA technicall a NET.

Ohh, I have a way to make it really clear. Think of NET as a human. Then think of synthetic tobacco as an android, and the human and android had a child. Now image that human/android child taking a dump. That waste represents TA.

I like that description! And technically I agree.

pardon the typos, on my phone