Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[love coffee]

So, I'm sitting here labeling all the bottles I received today with their dates, and my wife walks into the Den. "Whoa, that's a lot of juice!. Don't you have a tackle box full in the bedroom closet?" ..

Umm, Yeah!! This is for next year. I'm just steeping it in advance.

Please God, give me the strength to resist the GeJ sale.. PLEASE!!

Resistance is futile, you know. I just ordered about 200 mls of my own. 50% off is a cannot be beat deal!!

 

[MikeNice81]

No problem, your crockpot is safe!

How do you keep the bottles off of the bottom to avoid burning?

 

[Dusty_D]

Dusty, aren't you the guy who doesn't care for Vita Bella? Well I have never admitted this publicly, but I didn't care much for it either... BUT that was over a year ago and I was using crappy hardware then. With this sale going on, I'm going to give it another go... we'll see.

That would be me, and no hardware, good or bad will endear me to the vanilla in VB. I gave it 6 months before I PIF'd it to Bronze!


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[Dusty_D]

How do you keep the bottles off of the bottom to avoid burning?

They sit in a water bath, at low temp from what I understand. I doubt they would burn at that low heat level.


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[Evil Speakers]

That would be me, and no hardware, good or bad will endear me to the vanilla in VB. I gave it 6 months before I PIF'd it to Bronze!


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Yeah I was thinking if nothing else I can make someone happy in the PIF thread

 

[Brobdingnagian]

The fully charged battery needs to produce 4.2 supply voltage. Your DNA mod regulates that supply voltage up or down depending on your setting and resistance. That's why the SONY 30 Amp batteries are so popular. High discharge gives you the voltage you need constantly throughout the vape session. Once the battery can no longer provide the 4.2V it signals a recharge needed. Other VV/VW mods will keep going until there's no juice left in the battery. Hope that helps.

I like this. Is this unique to the DNA or can similar results be replicated in a VAMO (or similar)?

I was thinking of getting a pair of 18350's just to have more consistent voltage and operate at "true 6v" as I've heard is possible.

I notice a flavor drop as the voltage drops in the battery, regardless of whether I crank it up manually or switch from Mean to RMS.

Coil gunk can cause this, too, but even putting the same device on a fresh vision spinner can have drastically different results.

Noticing this was what raised a red flag as to whether I had either gotten crappy batteries, or a crappy device.

I'm definitely going to try harder to find an EGO-EGO adapter now, and don't really need pre-built coils (though they'll help after the surgery- less fiddling) but want to try a cellucotton setup.

Why? I just think it'll work better for my purposes.

The difference between my Vamo and spinner has got me using the spinner again.

Something is definitely up, I know that much.

So, I'm sitting here labeling all the bottles I received today with their dates, and my wife walks into the Den. "Whoa, that's a lot of juice!. Don't you have a tackle box full in the bedroom closet?" ..

Umm, Yeah!! This is for next year. I'm just steeping it in advance.

Please God, give me the strength to resist the GeJ sale.. PLEASE!!

I'm actually thinking of trying to make my own take of Acadian Gold... or whatever's in there.

I almost want to ask Nick, but I would be happy with any juice that tastes similar to AG.

Really, really happy.

I've been told that most perique is sold as "blending perique" and is mixed with burley. I gleaned over the pages where there was a lot of discussion regarding this, but the perique ratio is definitely lower in the AG from when I vaped it. In fact, you would say it was maybe a faint back-note.

IME, still a great e-liquid. Which is probably why I want to replicate it and a golden cavendish (what can I say, it's growing on me) to blend together. I think this would be a bizarre and tasty blend, but I would obviously keep said extracts separate until the blending process.

 

[billherbst]

How do you keep the bottles off of the bottom to avoid burning?

I don't. The sealed maceration jars sit in the water bath right on the metal base of the big stainless steel pasta pot I use.

In my heat-assisted water bath macerations, I tend to use water temps of 120-140° F for pipe or RYO tobaccos, 150-170° for cigars. (I've read that temps above 150° F will caramelize the sugars in the tobacco, but I go with what works for me, not what I read on ECF.)

At the higher temps, the 8-12oz glass jars I use for my macerations may start to jiggle a little and "walk" around inside the pot---which is a signal to me to turn down the heat a bit---but even 160-170° F isn't close to high enough to crack the glass of the maceration jars or burn the bottom of the contents inside. The tobacco in the jars is wet and surrounded by liquid. Nothing burns.

I'll repeat what I've often written before: Macerated extractions are not rocket science. They're not exotic. There are no "secrets." One doesn't need a PhD in chemistry, physics, or engineering, although it does help if you know your way around a kitchen.

 

[regal55]

I like this. Is this unique to the DNA or can similar results be replicated in a VAMO (or similar)?

I was thinking of getting a pair of 18350's just to have more consistent voltage and operate at "true 6v" as I've heard is possible.

I notice a flavor drop as the voltage drops in the battery, regardless of whether I crank it up manually or switch from Mean to RMS.

Coil gunk can cause this, too, but even putting the same device on a fresh vision spinner can have drastically different results.

Noticing this was what raised a red flag as to whether I had either gotten crappy batteries, or a crappy device.

I'm definitely going to try harder to find an EGO-EGO adapter now, and don't really need pre-built coils (though they'll help after the surgery- less fiddling) but want to try a cellucotton setup.

Why? I just think it'll work better for my purposes.

The difference between my Vamo and spinner has got me using the spinner again.

Something is definitely up, I know that much.



I'm actually thinking of trying to make my own take of Acadian Gold... or whatever's in there.

I almost want to ask Nick, but I would be happy with any juice that tastes similar to AG.

Really, really happy.

I've been told that most perique is sold as "blending perique" and is mixed with burley. I gleaned over the pages where there was a lot of discussion regarding this, but the perique ratio is definitely lower in the AG from when I vaped it. In fact, you would say it was maybe a faint back-note.

IME, still a great e-liquid. Which is probably why I want to replicate it and a golden cavendish (what can I say, it's growing on me) to blend together. I think this would be a bizarre and tasty blend, but I would obviously keep said extracts separate until the blending process.

I don't think the DNA30 can down regulate, the chip we are all waiting for that can do it all is the sx350.

 

[checkum]

My last vendor purchase was last October!

Mine too, from NET.com, and when I get it I'll let you know how it is......Kidding

 

[MikeNice81]

Trying out Sangria on the hemp wick.

The first thing I noticed is, the aged extract gets the juice closer to a "short" steep out of the box. So, a well aged extract would seem to mean less total steep time once the mixture is complete.

Second, the hemp seems to close off some of the high notes. The slightly fruity and sweet notes seem further back. The smoky and toasty notes seem emphasised. Hemp seems like a good choice for taming tobaccos that might be bordering on too sweet. It would also seem to be good for bringing out the toasty exhale on juices where it plays peek-a-boo.

 

[boomerdude]

I don't care if it's smoked over a camel dung fire, I love Latakia. I have to stop myself from vaping it straight. There's just something weird about loving that burnt rubber taste on the exhale. Maybe I better put some Oriental in it.

That is all, carry on.

 

[Jerms]

General question for RBFS users. How do you guys taste test these juices, seeing as they don't have drippers in the bottles?

Well that should be obvious.. take a sip of the juice and spit it into your device

I transfered all my RBFS into 10ml PET bottles, which I refill from the glass bottle as needed. I don't like the choice of VapingWatch and other newer vendors who package like that. Personally, I don't care as I have tons of extra bottles to use, but many people don't have that option. Can you imagine if someone's first vape purchase is bottles of RBFS and a 510 atty? Looking at the two... now how the hell is this 'spose to work??

I'm looking forward to reading your opinions on these sauce Dusty! I know your gonna dig Porch Rocker; either immediately or after a few sessions. Curious about what you have to say about the new ones I've yet to try: Petner's, Count, Admiral, and Killr. BRIAN, DID YOU FORGET ABOUT ME?!

 

[boomerdude]

I like this. Is this unique to the DNA or can similar results be replicated in a VAMO ?

The specs of your battery will tell you. I like the SONY 30 A high discharge batteries. You check the minimum, maximum and constant ratings. If the battery can't supply your settings any longer it will ooo ( blink ) ooo, etc.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I don't [didin't] get any anise from Jiggy -- and I am not a fan of anise. Gummi Bears, yes!

Okay. So my bottle of Jiggy from awhile ago that I had for a long time (via Scarf) did not exactly taste like what I have now. What I have now is not light in color like it was before -- it is actually pinkinsh orange, and quite vibrant. I don't think this is colored, but it sure looks like it (I'll take a pic tomorrow).

But my point is that this is heavy on the anise and I would've remembered that as Anise for me is like banana to BJ or Latakia for rdsok (and it wasn't that long ago that I finished my bottle!). I still don't like anise, but there is a lot else here that I do like and I am not turned off by the forwardness of the anise. The liquid is sweet, fruity, leafy, floral (just a touch of perfume, but not in a bad way), slightly dry (tobacco-hit dryness), a touch of cream and a punch anise (and the gummi bears are still there). That probably looks nasty as hell, but it's tastes great to me right now. Strange. I really kinda dig this.

Oh, and Dark Horse is flat out JAMMIN" right now! I can't imagine there is a better cig-like flavor that so many people are looking for.

p.s. Maybe I was a bit over the top before when I said "I don't [didn't] get any anise" from Jiggy, but it sure wasn't this present. Luckily, everything in this liquid is amped!

 

[Dusty_D]

Are you forgetting Gaia?!


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[Mr.Mann]

Are you forgetting Gaia?!


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Whom? . . My "taste" in liquid changes by the day now. There are but a few that are steady favs.

 

[johni]

I don't care if it's smoked over a camel dung fire, I love Latakia. I have to stop myself from vaping it straight. There's just something weird about loving that burnt rubber taste on the exhale. Maybe I better put some Oriental in it.

That is all, carry on.

You're safe boomer. This is from an article in Pipes Magazine, Common Misconceptions About Pipe Tobacco.
Latakia is made by hanging tobacco in a barn over a fire made with camel dung.
This is probably the most common of all the old-wives’ tales about pipe tobacco. Looking at it from a logical viewpoint, it’s easy to understand where the rumor got started. Half of the statement is true. Latakia is made by hanging tobacco in a building. The tobacco used in Syria is Shek-el-Bint (var.), and in Cyprus, it is made from Smyrna. The leaves are hung and a fire is built, but that’s where the truth and fiction diverge. No camel dung is used in making Latakia. The fire usually uses oak (Syria) or aromatic woods like Juniper (Cyprus). That’s the reason for the “campfire” or “beef jerky” aroma. The rumor started because camel dung is used as heating fuel in the Middle East, just as buffalo chips were used by Native Americans. It doesn’t take much of a stretch to see where someone trying to be funny or attempting to be a know-it-all would make such a comment. To put it to rest once and for all, there is no poop-flavored tobacco currently made.

 

[Big Juicy]

OK....I have been out since LAST THURSDAY. I dont suppose anyone wants to post me a brief recap of the last week or so to save Uncle BJ reading some 40 pages?

 

[Big Juicy]

I haven't tried the Godfather yet. Between my ACID cigar extractions, Bill's most excellent cigar extracts, and three cigars from checkum (now soaking), I'm cigar juice rich. Despite your concern for my lack of originality, my Blondie and Kuba extractions were successful. I have enough to share with a few folks via PM.

Bill's cigar extractions have spoiled me to a point that I cant fathom trying any more retail cigar juices unless I have to. I still have a few Diane/MVJ juice steeping and they are up next.

I have had a 2 week fling going, however, with a 6 month steeped 3 Crowns by NETCOM. Top to bottom I have found their line of cigars to be far and away the top of any retail vendor I have tried. There truly is not a stinker, or even a so-so juice in the lot. 3 Crowns is described as the "flagship" of the line and that title is well earned. That stuff is terrific. It might have surpassed Managua as my top retail cigar on the market. it is just a really nice and consistent cigar, period. No nonsesne, everything you want from a daily stogie. Shame I am almost out. With my current NETCOM order approaching the 12 week mark, this may be the last I ever vape of this. ::sniff sniff::

No worries, tonight Bill's Rocky Patel is knocking my socks off.

 

[Big Juicy]

Colin Powell alert, lol.

Oh, Trabuco Vapors. What can I say about them? I am having major difficulty putting thoughts into words. Or maybe I'm over thinking this.

I have very little experience with pipe tobaccos and vapes. Even more inexperience with cigar vapes and tobaccos. I read with varying levels of understanding posts in this thread and truly appreciate the knowledge and experiences of whatever you vape.

On to Trabuco....given my history of liking NET vapes, but really only having tried a few vendors mentioned in this thread (Ahlusion, Heather's Heavenly Vapes, Goodejuice), coupled with me never really having tried any "straight tobaccos" and only having tried two "pipe and cigar" vapes, I read with great interest y'alls descriptions of them.

With alladat said , I had no idea what to expect from Trabuco's offerings. Would they make me grow hair on my chest a la Ahlusion's aromatics? Would they have an artificial or poser quality to them? I just didn't know.

In my week with them, they've been neither of the aforementioned. Truthfully, I just find them merely vapeable [sic]. I don't think they're gross or artificial. The base tobacco used seems very familiar to me, but I don't know how. I've never smoked a pipe and never been around pipe smokers, but the taste of, I believe Virginia, is one that I recognize. I'm only guessing that the Virginia is the identifiable tobacco in these vapes for me only because it's the common tobacco according to all 4 bottles' labels. Please feel free to learn me, lol, if I have this wrong.

I tried them all and found them all to be adequate. I am enjoying Blackstar (Virginia, Burley, Graham Cracker) the most.

Capistrano makes me really notice the rum used to extract the tobacco. The blueberry in it seems to have helped distract this liquid. Or distinguish it from the others if you're a half-full glass type of person, ha.

Silverado I suppose qualifies as my 3rd straight tobacco vape. The other two being Ahlusion's Sahara Blend and Sweet Virginia, though those two are not as straight as straight tobacco vapes can be. Silverado was not as straight as I expected either, due to the rum permeating it. I didn't notice it as much as I did with Capistrano. It's ok.

And finally, Portola. I will preface this by sharing that I really like flavored tobacco vapes. Vanilla tobacco vapes, however, have done nothing for me so far. I wasn't expecting much from Portola and I got what I expected. My sense of smell is whacked, but I was really wanting to experience this room note y'all were posting about. All I can say is that my significant other and one of my dogs strongly opposed whenever I vaped it, lol.

So if I were grading on a 1 to 10 scale, I'd give Trabuco Vapors' line a 6. Muddled, but something in the juices are salvageable. I think if they were more distinguishable amongst themselves and somehow are able to lessen the rum extractions' effect on the flavor, it would be a step in the right direction.

I vaped these all in momma's new toy -- the Magma RDA, dual coiled with a 0.6 ohm total with a variable wattage device, between 11 and 19 watts. I used that trendy rayon wick also, ha. I really like how it holds up to high wattage as far as wicking is concerned.

Brobdingian, you're not the only one who can fill up a page in a thread with one post!

Excellent review girlfriend!