I am very happy to read this news.I am running abysmally low on Sun Cured Turkish and have resorted to careful rationing of everything NETcom.
I love the Sun Cured Turkish which is on order since the beginning of May.....
Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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I love the Sun Cured Turkish which is on order since the beginning of May.....
He has an interesting selection of flavors. I've never tried an all VG before. I'll give some a shot and report in the Roundup.
Not saying it means something (well, not saying it should mean something to anyone else), but that rayon looks pretty gnarly when being burnt. KGD is working fine for me.
I just burned a chuck of KGD and a chunk of CCr. They both burn up about the same way, very quick, and leave some fine ash. The CCr left a little more ash than KGD.
With all this talk about flavored tobaccos without adding flavoring, I thought I would post what I ordered from Pipes and Cigars this week (yea, bit by the bug, these extracts are wonderful!!!).
I am in the mood to experiment and I like flavored tobaccos (CWW being a top fav!). I don't know how these flavors are added to the tobacco, so I took the plunge and ordered:
Lane Very Cherry Burley, Cavendish, Virginia - Very Cherry uses a great blend of excellent tobaccos- mellow Burley, sweet and tangy Virginia and a bit of mildly sweet steamed black Cavendish, and is finished with an amazingly rich cherry flavor and aroma. This is one that no one will object to.
Sutliff Dulce de Leche Burley, Virginia - Dulce de Leche is a vastly popular traditional candy in South America. This is the ultimate blend for the caramel lover. The base is comprised of Burley and Virginia, and the flavor has a rich, creamy sweetness that satisfies at any time of day.
Sutliff Vanilla Royale Burley, Cavendish, Virginia - Vanilla Royale has to be the most intricate aromatic blend on the market. Comprised of eight different types of smooth tasting, cool burning leaf and fourteen different and distinctive vanilla flavors, how can it not be
I don't know how they will taste, I went for what looked like the most stand out on flavorings, but we shall see!!!! They are scheduled to be delivered Saturday, so Sunday I will be a cookin' in the kitchen (well, low heat extraction that is).
I am in the mood to experiment and I like flavored tobaccos (CWW being a top fav!). I don't know how these flavors are added to the tobacco, so I took the plunge and ordered:
Lane Very Cherry Burley, Cavendish, Virginia - Very Cherry uses a great blend of excellent tobaccos- mellow Burley, sweet and tangy Virginia and a bit of mildly sweet steamed black Cavendish, and is finished with an amazingly rich cherry flavor and aroma. This is one that no one will object to.
Sutliff Dulce de Leche Burley, Virginia - Dulce de Leche is a vastly popular traditional candy in South America. This is the ultimate blend for the caramel lover. The base is comprised of Burley and Virginia, and the flavor has a rich, creamy sweetness that satisfies at any time of day.
Sutliff Vanilla Royale Burley, Cavendish, Virginia - Vanilla Royale has to be the most intricate aromatic blend on the market. Comprised of eight different types of smooth tasting, cool burning leaf and fourteen different and distinctive vanilla flavors, how can it not be
I don't know how they will taste, I went for what looked like the most stand out on flavorings, but we shall see!!!! They are scheduled to be delivered Saturday, so Sunday I will be a cookin' in the kitchen (well, low heat extraction that is).
I'm not much of a cherry guy, and vanilla has pretty much seen its day with me, but I'll definitely consider an ounce of Sutliff Dulce de Leche in my next order of one-ounce samplers from pipes&cigars, since caramel is the current object of my affection, and my compelling interest right now is almost entirely focused on aromatics for hybrids rather than straight tobacco extracts.
I've got two non-aromatics still waiting in the queue---Peter Stokkebye Amsterdam (fire-cured Kentucky and rich Virginia) and Sutliff Court of St. James (a VA/Per with a bit of Latakia and a touch of Mocha). With half an ounce of one of these, probably the PS Amsterdam, I plan to try a "caramel infusion" by adding a liberal shot of caramel flavoring to the PG/VG solvent at the beginning of a heat-assisted maceration. I think I'll use LorAnn Creamy Caramel, because it's both deeper and creamier than any of the other 15 caramels in my flavorings cabinet. I've not infused a flavoring into a tobacco maceration so far, so I have no benchmarks for the experiment and am clueless about what to expect---certainly nothing as amazing as Caramel Wild Wood, but, with a little luck from the extraction muse, perhaps I can give Count Caramel a decent run for its money. Or maybe not. LOL.
Hard to believe that no one's put up a vid yet on YouTube about macerated tobacco extraction, but I didn't come up with anything either.
Not to worry, though. Most of us on this thread who do home-based extractions had little more than the most rudimentary instructions before starting, and I can tell you that I ignored much of it and simply adapted the simple instructions to fit what I had on hand. We're all just making it up as we go along. Some of what we do works, some doesn't, but we learn. After 47 extractions, I'm still experimenting. As I'm fond of saying, this isn't rocket science. There are no hard-and-fast rules, and common sense goes a long way.
On the extraction threads, some people who are considering maybe doing this ask all sorts of very specific questions, as if they're anxious about every little detail and scared to make a mistake. Sometimes I respond with "answers" from my personal experience, but most of the questions have no pat answers (i.e., "How much tobacco should I use?"). I always want to say: Don't worry. Read the threads, then jump in. Learn by doing. You'll know very quickly if home tobacco extraction is something you enjoy and have a knack for.
Read Scarf-ace's method (link below), and if a heat-assisted maceration is too daunting, read Johni's method (also linked below) for cold maceration (meaning room temperature with a long steep), which requires little more than patience and is very hard to screw up.
Scarfy's Method for Slow-Cooker Home Extraction of Tobacco
Johni's Easy Method for Cold Macerations
Mental note: will probably want to request these from Bill at some point..
Question, anybody have any info of what fire-cured Kentucky tobacco is? I thought it was fire-cured burley, but a quick google isn't showing that. Most of the results popping up are about the MUWAT cigar, can't find any info descibing fire-cured Kuntucky.
Hmmm.. may Kentucky Tobacco is it's own variety of dark tobacco. I found this.. "Kentucky tobacco A type of fire-cured tobacco that was originally grown in the U.S. states of Kentucky or Tennessee, but is now grown in various other regions and countries as well. Kentucky tobacco is primarily used in chewing tobacco and pipe blends."
And this..
Dark Tobacco
Dark air and dark-fired tobacco is primarily used for chewing, snuff, cigar, and pipe blends. The plant produces heavier and larger leaves, which are harvested on the stalk, but allowed to wilt before being placed on the stick. Mature leaves will be thick with a leathery texture and possess a somewhat oily sheen.
Dark air tobacco is cured essentially the same as burley, hanging in structures with a roof, but with either open sides or vents to allow air to freely circulate. However, due to the heavier body of dark tobacco, it may be necessary to use some type of heat to assist in the curing process.
Dark-fired tobacco is fire-cured, which means wood smoke from a burning fire is used to dry the leaves. Dark-fired tobacco is stalk-cured in a totally enclosed structure, with vents that can be opened when needed. Small, controlled fires are built on the floor of the barn using sawdust and hardwood slabs, and the leaves cure in the smoke-filled barn. This process adds a smoky flavor and aroma to the tobacco, which is desired for some smokeless tobacco products. The firing process is more of an art than a science and requires experience and skill to prevent ruining the tobacco.
Dark tobacco is grown primarily in small regions of Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee, with the regions within Kentucky and Tennessee producing over 90 percent of the US dark tobacco production.
And this..
Dark Tobacco
Dark air and dark-fired tobacco is primarily used for chewing, snuff, cigar, and pipe blends. The plant produces heavier and larger leaves, which are harvested on the stalk, but allowed to wilt before being placed on the stick. Mature leaves will be thick with a leathery texture and possess a somewhat oily sheen.
Dark air tobacco is cured essentially the same as burley, hanging in structures with a roof, but with either open sides or vents to allow air to freely circulate. However, due to the heavier body of dark tobacco, it may be necessary to use some type of heat to assist in the curing process.
Dark-fired tobacco is fire-cured, which means wood smoke from a burning fire is used to dry the leaves. Dark-fired tobacco is stalk-cured in a totally enclosed structure, with vents that can be opened when needed. Small, controlled fires are built on the floor of the barn using sawdust and hardwood slabs, and the leaves cure in the smoke-filled barn. This process adds a smoky flavor and aroma to the tobacco, which is desired for some smokeless tobacco products. The firing process is more of an art than a science and requires experience and skill to prevent ruining the tobacco.
Dark tobacco is grown primarily in small regions of Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee, with the regions within Kentucky and Tennessee producing over 90 percent of the US dark tobacco production.
All this talk of CCr makes me want to vape NETs while listening to "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" and "Fortunate Son."
Hey Ray, what do you think of induction technology, future of vaping?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8_AiBbOZpyk
That's interesting... I know that with electric stoves... induction types are typically about 10% more efficient than a coil type. The closer the magnetic field source is to the metal being heated, the more efficient they become... this also means the further away the less efficient it is also as magnetic fields strength drop in intensity from their source pretty quickly. The latter info, is probably actually good if the user has any metallic fillings that could conduct the heat. I would speculate the biggest issue would be the DC to AC inverter that would work at a high enough frequency and be small enough to carry around. So I doubt the latter would be an off the shelf item and would need to be designed and built first.
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Do you have a source for that? I was surprised to see no references to burley tobacco, except that the dark air tobacco is cured essentially the same way as burley, hanging in the air from a roof.
I'll see if I can find it. I came across it when I was doing that research I mentioned earlier.
Thanks. Yeah, since I'd assumed that fire-cured Kentucky tobacco was fire-cured burley, I'm sure I read or heard that somewhere, but I'm not so sure now.
Skim down to the section about fire curing. It's not very detailed as to what "form" of Burley, probably just a genetic selection thing.
Curing Methods and Tobacco Types | The #1 Source for Pipes and Pipe Tobacco Information
Sorry I don't have better info for you.
Curing Methods and Tobacco Types | The #1 Source for Pipes and Pipe Tobacco Information
Sorry I don't have better info for you.
No, that's perfect, thanks. It also says under air cured, "This type of curing is used primarily for dark Burley, often referred to as dark air cured,"
So looks like Kentucky fire-cured tobacco and dark air cured is indeed burley like you said, specifically the dark variety of burley.
Don't see the advantage. Going to still need a metal wick in contact with the juice and you'll still get gunking. Now if they find a way of putting the heating element on the outside of a glass pipette and drawing the juice up into the pipette so it vaporizes in the pipette so that you could just swab out the inside of the pipette to clean it, then I'm interested. Unless of course they use microwave technology.
Edit: Now that's a run-on sentence. Not going to edit as a reminder to myself.
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