Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[jcmccord235]

If you find any commercial juices that actually have HFC extracted tobacco in them, or any vendors willing to disclose this, please let me know.

I have an extreme aversion to anything "fluorine" or "fluoride" related.

I don't care if there's a complete difference in chemical structure, it has "fluoro" in the group. Count me out.

I don't even use toothpaste with fluoride in it. I avoid drinking fluoridated water.

Yes, of course it's a completely different chemical, but an aversion's an aversion. Can't talk youself out of what you feel.

Here's a wikipedia link to HFC. It's a solvent used in extraction in conjunction with the subcritical/supercritical co2. And it's ok to use and still be certified organic - the stuff is pretty darn non-toxic. There are a number of vendors that use these flavors, and I reccomend these flavors wholeheartedly.

And I don't use fluoridated water or toothpaste either.

I believe this is an excellent method of extracting tobacco flavor, it's just not interesting if that company is only doing it with one variety - one that's been done to death no less.

 

[MFToms59]

IMHO Alh is not using natural tobacco anymore than aroma or TPA using vendors, I'm a chemical engineer who believes they don't belong in this thread, they have nice big thread...

You're entitled to your opinion, but the AHL Cocoa Blend and other AHL NETs I've had sure has the same type of Tobacco Flavor, much like any other NETs I've tried like GeJ, RBFS, W2V, not to mention a few home-extractions... nuff said, I'm just a Casual Vaper.

 

[regal55]

You're entitled to your opinion, but the AHL Cocoa Blend and other AHL NETs I've had sure has the same type of Tobacco Flavor, much like any other NETs I've tried like GeJ, RBFS, W2V, not to mention a few home-extractions... nuff said, I'm just a Casual Vaper.

I haven't had those, only the over processed flavors which didn't jive with my tastes buds. I've had MVJ's cocoa blend just not a fan of cocoa vapes. reallly I hope for a return of NET.com I've only had one bottle their coconut cav and it was fantastic. If I remember right they had some form of bulk pricing. That's what I like about vaperite but they don't have a cav. Really wish I could find a big bottle of something like RBFS Caven Fever.


Just mixed up a batch of Westminster #403 Cavendish and loaded the KFL, this time with gapped coils and it works without burning the cotton. I was batting about 10% with fired pinched micro-coils. The #403 is a fantastic blend wish it had a tad more cav.

 

[MikeNice81]

I think my buds are going. I've been trying several different flavors over the weekend and noticed I'm having trouble distinguishing a lot of things. When it comes to simple tobacco flavors I'm okay. With juices that start piling on flavors I'm coming up blank. With Harvest on Hudson all I can say is fruit and some kind of cooking spice. With MFT's Groovy blue all I can say is something kind of booze like and berry occasionally. I think my buds are tripping out on me. Even on classic cigars I'm having trouble getting anything besides tobacco. I'm not able to pull apart the different types of tobacco involved.

I've moved to thinner wicks and I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it. I can't figure it out, but I'm getting frustrated. I might be passing on doing in depth reviews for awhile. On the upside, I have 74ml of unflavored nic base coming from MVJ. Soon I will be sitting on 89ml of Orlik made from Boomer's extract.

 

[Jerms]

I think my buds are going. I've been trying several different flavors over the weekend and noticed I'm having trouble distinguishing a lot of things. When it comes to simple tobacco flavors I'm okay. With juices that start piling on flavors I'm coming up blank. With Harvest on Hudson all I can say is fruit and some kind of cooking spice. With MFT's Groovy blue all I can say is something kind of booze like and berry occasionally. I think my buds are tripping out on me. Even on classic cigars I'm having trouble getting anything besides tobacco. I'm not able to pull apart the different types of tobacco involved.

I've moved to thinner wicks and I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it. I can't figure it out, but I'm getting frustrated. I might be passing on doing in depth reviews for awhile. On the upside, I have 74ml of unflavored nic base coming from MVJ. Soon I will be sitting on 89ml of Orlik made from Boomer's extract.

Are you drinking enough water lately? We're in the middle of summer, you may be less hydrated than you realise. Also, sometimes people get a bad case of vaper's tongue several months after they quit smoking. Many other causes of vaper's tongue, but the good news is they're all pretty temporary.

 

[Dusty_D]

I think my buds are going. I've been trying several different flavors over the weekend and noticed I'm having trouble distinguishing a lot of things. When it comes to simple tobacco flavors I'm okay. With juices that start piling on flavors I'm coming up blank. With Harvest on Hudson all I can say is fruit and some kind of cooking spice. With MFT's Groovy blue all I can say is something kind of booze like and berry occasionally. I think my buds are tripping out on me. Even on classic cigars I'm having trouble getting anything besides tobacco. I'm not able to pull apart the different types of tobacco involved.

I've moved to thinner wicks and I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it. I can't figure it out, but I'm getting frustrated. I might be passing on doing in depth reviews for awhile. On the upside, I have 74ml of unflavored nic base coming from MVJ. Soon I will be sitting on 89ml of Orlik made from Boomer's extract.

Thinner wicks of what, Mike? Cotton, Hemp or Rayon? The thinner wicks could very well be your problem depending on the medium you're using. Post a pick of one of the wicks if you get a chance.

 

[Dusty_D]

Had some friends and neighbours over last night, some of whom smoke cigars/cigarillos. I was feeling left out, and there was such a mouth watering smell wafting all through the backyard. So, I rushed in and grabbed Boomers version of Ramon Bueso.. Dripping on a single coil at 1.2ohm running on a IGo W3 and Panzer. Let's just say that I had a lot of sniffers of the vape clouds, and did not feel left out for the rest of the evening.

Thanks Boomer! Damn good cigar vape there, my friend. I'm curious to see if my couple month steeped MVJ version will compare to what I just had last night. I remember it being a LOT lighter when I first tried it, when fresh.

Happy Sundy, y'all!

 

[rdsok]

I think my buds are going. I've been trying several different flavors over the weekend and noticed I'm having trouble distinguishing a lot of things.

I had a similar issue although not exactly the same...

I'd just gotten some of the newer ( to me ) style juice from Diane at MyVapeJuice.... out of 4 of them... two do well out of the mailbox flavor wise even though they hadn't reached their potential. I was wanting to revisit the MVJ Sutliff Private Stock - Charlemagne Pipe .. on my pre-steeped taste test... I'd found it almost bold enough, with both dark and lighter tobacco notes ( Burley, Cavendish, Virginia ) standing out... and incredibly for me... the vanilla stood out... normally with vannilla's I just get a creamy like taste but can't always distinguish it... Anyhow... I still wanted a little more boldness and a bit more of a bass note to it... So I looked at my stash of other stuff and saw N-E-T.com's Blackberry Burley and thought the burley would certainly give me some of the added bass notes I was looking for... and the blackberry should go nicely with the vanilla. I had picked it perfectly for the day... and I vaped it almost all day long since I was really getting into the full flavor with the bit of fruit and vanilla standing up nicely to the bold flavors of the tobaccos. Later in the evening, I started to crave a bit of my ADV ... N-E-T.com's Big Spirit... I stuck it on a new VV eGo battery I'd just got in... and almost nothing showed up taste wise... I thought something was wrong so I moved it over to my Vamo which I knew was cranking good... still almost couldn't taste anything.

I guess I can relate it to have listened to loud rock all day long... and then trying to listen to something softer and more delicate. I do think we can overload our tastebuds ( or ears )... This morning, I picked up the Big Spirit after I first got up... same ole' Spirit I remembered from before.

 

[regal55]

I had a similar issue although not exactly the same...

I'd just gotten some of the newer ( to me ) style juice from Diane at MyVapeJuice.... out of 4 of them... two do well out of the mailbox flavor wise even though they hadn't reached their potential. I was wanting to revisit the MVJ Sutliff Private Stock - Charlemagne Pipe .. on my pre-steeped taste test... I'd found it almost bold enough, with both dark and lighter tobacco notes ( Burley, Cavendish, Virginia ) standing out... and incredibly for me... the vanilla stood out... normally with vannilla's I just get a creamy like taste but can't always distinguish it... Anyhow... I still wanted a little more boldness and a bit more of a bass note to it... So I looked at my stash of other stuff and saw N-E-T.com's Blackberry Burley and thought the burley would certainly give me some of the added bass notes I was looking for... and the blackberry should go nicely with the vanilla. I had picked it perfectly for the day... and I vaped it almost all day long since I was really getting into the full flavor with the bit of fruit and vanilla standing up nicely to the bold flavors of the tobaccos. Later in the evening, I started to crave a bit of my ADV ... N-E-T.com's Big Spirit... I stuck it on a new VV eGo battery I'd just got in... and almost nothing showed up taste wise... I thought something was wrong so I moved it over to my Vamo which I knew was cranking good... still almost couldn't taste anything.

I guess I can relate it to have listened to loud rock all day long... and then trying to listen to something softer and more delicate. I do think we can overload our tastebuds ( or ears )... This morning, I picked up the Big Spirit after I first got up... same ole' Spirit I remembered from before.

Vaping difenately doesn't give back the sense of smell and taste as stopping all together

 

[regal55]

I'm getting closer to RBFS Caven Fever. Captain Black slow cooker with just a tad EM added, still not as good as the real thing but very enjoyable,

 

[Mr.Mann]

I'm a chemical engineer who studied enthonotanical "alkaloid" chemistry at Purdue, I have a better background than you think.

Speaking of thinking CO2 extraction is a means to extract caffeine from coffee while leaving the natural flavors in the coffe, now think and tell me how this is helpful for e-juice.

I got a C in English, I was a science and engineering major, I have little time for posting but for you will try to slow down
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IMHO Alh is not using natural tobacco anymore than aroma or TPA using vendors, I'm a chemical engineer who believes they don't belong in this thread, they have nice big thread...

I haven't had those, only the over processed flavors which didn't jive with my tastes buds....

So, based on Morley, Analog Mild and RY4, you have written off want2vape's tobacco line? See how that works?! It doesn't work -- at least for those of us that have experience with the main line.

And since you are a chemical engineer (and by extension knowledgeable in food science), please answer me this -- is CO₂ extraction nowadays being used in the aroma and flavor industry? You seem to think it is just a means of decaffeinating coffee or something.

If you don't like Ahlusion's actual tobacco line, or have even tried them, that's fine. But your insistence on them being no different than AeJ's WTA is preposterous and the case is not made simply because you are a chemical engineer -- plus, there is a chemist around these parts who disagrees with your stance and who has basically invited you to discuss this, but elsewhere. Has it happened and I missed it? I am still waiting to see that debate. Will I see it?

I mean this as no disrespect and in no way as a means of discounting your profession and education, it's just that you won't let this go. If you don't believe that Ahl's non-aros are worthy of this thread because of their taste, added flavorings and lack of tobacco extract, that's fine too -- I am okay with that. But this other part about them being in the same class as AeJ is out-of-bounds and is actually unfair and wrong to AeJ more than to Ahlusion.

p.s. Before you discount Ahlusion's actual tobacco line, the Aromatics, it may behoove you to try them.

 

[y cherry y]

IMHO Alh is not using natural tobacco anymore than aroma or TPA using vendors, I'm a chemical engineer who believes they don't belong in this thread, they have nice big thread.

Whatever. Do you keep repeating your silly notions about Ahlusion just to get people riled up, or do you think you're going to convince the Ahlusion fans here? Is being a chemical engineer a qualification for appreciating flavor? It's not. It's only a qualification for getting a job as a chemical engineer. Nobody cares if you're a chemical engineer.

There are plenty of people who don't like Ahlusion's juices -- although that's a pretty broad range to dismiss easily -- but you're the first to say they "don't belong here," apparently with a straight face. Why don't you just stick with saying you don't like them, which is fair enough, and stay away from trying to control which tobaccos have a right to be discussed?

 

[classwife]

<ahem>

 

[regal55]

So, based on Morley, Analog Mild and RY4, you have written off want2vape's tobacco line? See how that works?! It doesn't work -- at least for those of us that have experience with the main line.

And since you are a chemical engineer (and by extension knowledgeable in food science), please answer me this -- is CO₂ extraction nowadays being used in the aroma and flavor industry? You seem to think it is just a means of decaffeinating coffee or something.

If you don't like Ahlusion's actual tobacco line, or have even tried them, that's fine. But your insistence on them being no different than AeJ's WTA is preposterous and the case is not made simply because you are a chemical engineer -- plus, there is a chemist around these parts who disagrees with your stance and who has basically invited you to discuss this, but elsewhere. Has it happened and I missed it? I am still waiting to see that debate. Will I see it?

I mean this as no disrespect and in no way as a means of discounting your profession and education, it's just that you won't let this go. If you don't believe that Ahl's non-aros are worthy of this thread because of their taste, added flavorings and lack of tobacco extract, that's fine too -- I am okay with that. But this other part about them being in the same class as AeJ is out-of-bounds and is actually unfair and wrong to AeJ more than to Ahlusion.

p.s. Before you discount Ahlusion's actual tobacco line, the Aromatics, it may behoove you to try them.

Whatever. Do you keep repeating your silly notions about Ahlusion just to get people riled up, or do you think you're going to convince the Ahlusion fans here? Is being a chemical engineer a qualification for appreciating flavor? It's not. It's only a qualification for getting a job as a chemical engineer. Nobody cares if you're a chemical engineer.

There are plenty of people who don't like Ahlusion's juices -- although that's a pretty broad range to dismiss easily -- but you're the first to say they "don't belong here," apparently with a straight face. Why don't you just stick with saying you don't like them, which is fair enough, and stay away from trying to control which tobaccos have a right to be discussed?

If aroma WTA's aren't allowed in this thread then neither should Ahl's process. They are the same physically just different solvent. That's my point, either both in or both out, that's all. And yes Liquid COS is a solvent oh and so is water. It just doesn't make sense from a scientific basis. That's all. agree to disagree.

 

[Mr.Mann]

If aroma WTA's aren't allowed in this thread then neither should Ahl's process. They are the same physically just different solvent. That's my point, either both in or both out, that's all. And yes Liquid COS is a solvent oh and so is water. It just doesn't make sense from a scientific basis. That's all. agree to disagree.

This thread isn't solely about processes, it's about the product. Plus, there is a chemist around these parts who disagrees with your stance and who has basically invited you to discuss this, but elsewhere.

 

[Jerms]

Most of Ahl's NETs are steam-distilled, same process as HHV's line of NETs.

 

[regal55]

This thread isn't solely about processes, it's about the product. Plus, there is a chemist around these parts who disagrees with your stance and who has basically invited you to discuss this, but elsewhere

I won't even go there, I initiated the discussion and got he too busy which I fully understand. But understand that a chemist and a chemical engineer rarely agree about anything.

The point is ahl and aroma process the tobacco in such similar was physically that it is silly to ban one and not the other IMHO. That's all it is an opinion, one my taste buds agree with, admitting I haven't sampled all their products. Its not a big deal, let's move on before we start Physical Chemistry 201 discussions.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I won't even go there, I initiated the discussion and got he too busy which I fully understand. But understand that a chemist and a chemical engineer rarely agree about anything.

The point is ahl and aroma process the tobacco in such similar was physically that it is silly to ban one and not the other IMHO. That's all it is an opinion, one my taste buds agree with, admitting I haven't sampled all there products. Its not a big deal, let's move on before we start Physical Chemistry 201 discussions.

But understand you'd be disagreeing with the chemist who created the product you are talking about.

And Aroma isn't "banned" from this discussion, but if you knew about the history of these discussions on ECF you would understand why we choose to minimize the topic and you may be more selective with your general lumping. It's confusing enough for new vapers (vaping 101) seeing NET, TA and WTA and the truth is they all are different products. If one thinks they are "all the same" because they read what you say and give it credence since you are a chemical engineer, then you have effectively done a disservice to those trying to make heads or tails of vaping products and a disservice to those producing the products.

Aroma Ejuice

That is the AeJ subforum. See if they want to be, or feel they should be, included here.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Okay, sorry for the off-topic discussion.

Anyone here down to try a new NET? I might if I could find a re-seller in the States (the ticket ain't too cheap form overseas). Actually, I don't know if it's all that new -- but it's new to me.

Redvape (that's a link to two of their liquid descriptions -- Honeywood Reserva and Perique Reserva), and here are two more: HAVANO DARK and HAVANO GOLD.

 

[checkum]

Okay, sorry for the off-topic discussion.

Anyone here down to try a new NET? I might if I could find a re-seller in the States (the ticket ain't too cheap form overseas). Actually, I don't know if it's all that new -- but it's new to me.

Redvape (that's a link to two of their liquid descriptions -- Honeywood Reserva and Perique Reserva), and here are two more: HAVANO DARK and HAVANO GOLD.

Mann, I've never ordered from a European company. However, Havano Dark sounds intriguing.