Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Mr.Mann]

I'm not into sweet stuff. Dark Horse,Huntsman,Gaia and Legend were recommended to me

Hmmm...well, I'd say 86 Gaia and Legend, but Legend would be more of a firm no if you don't like sweet stuff. It's not really, really sweet, but it is a sweet flavor. Now, if you are feeling adventurous and possibly open to liking something that may work out for you despite what you are normally into, I'd say your list is fine. Hell, I surely didn't want to vape this one of flavor of theirs that I always saw on their site, but I tried it anyway as it was PIFed to me -- it ended up being one of my top 5 liquids right now.

 

[FranC]

Which flavor would that be?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Jigg(x)

I don't recommend it, just saying I love it. I know that seems backwards, but that's just how I am right now.

It's one of the most unique flavors I've ever had. And although it is kinda weird, it is really tasty and fun to vape. I've grown quite fond of it. But know that I would definitely call it a sweet flavor.

 

[FranC]

I'm glad you found an unlikely flavor you like.

 

[Jerms]

First impressions of RBFS's KillRY4, vaped in a KGD wicked Atomic dripper. It's mainly burley and cavendish with a little Virginia, cased with flavorings "closely mirroring an RY4" according to the site.

I went with KGD cotton instead of rayon because rayon can enhance the sweetness, and the site says it's "without a doubt the sweetest in the Fog Sauce in the line-up". They aren't kidding, this is a very sweet NET. If someone doesn't have a sweet tooth, this will be too sweet. It's a good sweet, not candy-like, very smooth and tasty, but also potent. I haven't had NLV's Bounty Hunter in a while though I'd bet KillRY4 is close to that level. Many find BH too sweet, but I liked that one and I like this one too.

The tobacco is mild and heavily cased, but it's not hidden. RiverBottom's processes results in a signature flavor-feel I pick up on, a signature I really enjoy, and it's found in the tobacco here. As far as the other side of a typical RY4, the caramel and vanilla, I'm only kinda getting that. It's RY4-ness seems fairly low to me. More like, 'this is kind of like an RY4' instead of 'this is an RY4'. It's a sweet dessert tobacco that I guess could be considered an RY4 though at the edge of custom.

In describing the sweetness, the site says "pastry, cotton candy, maple syrup and molasses". Pastry yes, as in a dessert bakery type sweetness, and the cotton candy I pick up on too. It has hints of a spun sugar sweetness that I dig. There's also a creamy smoothness I associate with vanilla, even if I don't exactly pick out vanilla.

Overall KillRY4 is very tasty and a nice vape. Very good, but for me, not exceptional. I prefer GJ4 for a NET RY4 with it's stronger tobacco and obvious caramel, and milder sweetness. This one will be like when I had Bounty Hunter, to be vaped when wanting something very sweet. The site admits it's a beginner NET which I agree with, and I'd also recommend to dessert tobacco fans. Wouldn't recommend to those who want a stronger tobacco, don't do very sweet, or those looking for an obvious RY4.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Hey, Brian (I know you're reading! ), whether it was you or Watch behind that statement, know that seeing "KillrY4 would be perfect for someone looking to try Naturally Extracted Tobacco for the 1st time!" is brilliant. How many people were looking for a way in to vaping nattys only be turned off by liquids like the Aros, w2v or just too in-your-face tobacco liquids? I don't know how many, but I bet there was a lot. Many people have come here asking for something to help get their feet wet, but I am not sure if any one site has specifically said something like, start here. Nice!

 

[Jerms]

I wonder if ethol maltol is ever used in tobacco casing. According to the site, there's no additives in any of the RBFS NETs, just pg, vg, nic, and extracted tobacco, but the cotton candy/spun sugar sweetness has the taste and feel of EM. It's a flavor note and feel on the exhale that might may raise this to an addictive flavor for me. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that EM is a common additive used for casing tobaccos.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Great I was going to say too late I ordered but they emailed me if I wanted another flav to sample for free
so Confederate it is

That's how I got to try St. Stevens, which I enjoy even more than some of the juices I purchased.

 

[billherbst]

Overall KillRY4 is very tasty and a nice vape. Very good, but for me, not exceptional. I prefer GJ4 for a NET RY4 with it's stronger tobacco and obvious caramel, and milder sweetness. This one will be like when I had Bounty Hunter, to be vaped when wanting something very sweet. The site admits it's a beginner NET which I agree with, and I'd also recommend to dessert tobacco fans. Wouldn't recommend to those who want a stronger tobacco, don't do very sweet, or those looking for an obvious RY4.

Yes, KillR Y4 is a nice dessert NET, but it's closer to a faux, facsimile RY4 than the real thing. In my opinion, casings alone can't provide a dense enough caramel and vanilla flavor to produce a bonafide RY4. In KillR Y4, those two elements are whiffs rather than flavors and largely buried under the tobacco and generic sweetness. If you don't mind the sweetness, however, KillR Y4 is an easygoing, pleasant vape that's the equivalent of the kiddie wading pool for hybrid NETs---safe for NET toddlers and a nice respite for NET adults.

As an experiment in making a Custom RY4 without additional flavorings, KillR Y4 is an interesting effort. It doesn't have enough RY4 flavor impact, however, to compete with other NET-based retail Custom RY4s.

 

[billherbst]

I wonder if ethol maltol is ever used in tobacco casing. According to the site, there's no additives in any of the RBFS NETs, just pg, vg, nic, and extracted tobacco, but the cotton candy/spun sugar sweetness has the taste and feel of EM. It's a flavor note and feel on the exhale that might may raise this to an addictive flavor for me. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that EM is a common additive used for casing tobaccos.

I searched online and found a list of ingredients used by RJ Reynolds in their tobacco products, defined either as flavorings or casings, with maximum allowed percentages.

Ethyl Maltol was listed only as a flavoring with a maximum allowed percentage (compared to the dry weight of the tobacco) of 0.01%.

Casings listed were Brown Sugar (2.9%), Chocolate Liquor (0.27%), Cocoa Powder (1.2%), High Fructose Corn Syrup (4.49%), Licorice (0.77%), Prune Juice concentrate (0.26%), and Sucrose (2.13%)

R.J. Reynolds is only a small slice of the processed tobacco marketplace, of course, but I'd wager a guess that ethyl maltol is rarely used as a casing.

 

[Jerms]

I searched online and found a list of ingredients used by RJ Reynolds in their tobacco products, defined either as flavorings or casings, with maximum allowed percentages.

Ethyl Maltol was listed only as a flavoring with a maximum allowed percentage (compared to the dry weight of the tobacco) of 0.01%.

Casings listed were Brown Sugar (2.9%), Chocolate Liquor (0.27%), Cocoa Powder (1.2%), High Fructose Corn Syrup (4.49%), Licorice (0.77%), Prune Juice concentrate (0.26%), and Sucrose (2.13%)

R.J. Reynolds is only a small slice of the processed tobacco marketplace, of course, but I'd wager a guess that ethyl maltol is rarely used as a casing.

I also did some googling. Searching tobacco and ethyl maltol came back with all ecig results so nope, not a casing ingredient. Used in the perfume industry quite a bit though.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I searched online and found a list of ingredients used by RJ Reynolds in their tobacco products, defined either as flavorings or casings, with maximum allowed percentages.

Ethyl Maltol was listed only as a flavoring with a maximum allowed percentage (compared to the dry weight of the tobacco) of 0.01%.

Casings listed were Brown Sugar (2.9%), Chocolate Liquor (0.27%), Cocoa Powder (1.2%), High Fructose Corn Syrup (4.49%), Licorice (0.77%), Prune Juice concentrate (0.26%), and Sucrose (2.13%)

R.J. Reynolds is only a small slice of the processed tobacco marketplace, of course, but I'd wager a guess that ethyl maltol is rarely used as a casing.

Hmm...yeah, that is a lot of actual sugar stuff. I understand now.

 

[papabogart]

Are there any vendors producing liquids from uncased, un-topped tobaccos?

I searched online and found a list of ingredients used by RJ Reynolds in their tobacco products, defined either as flavorings or casings, with maximum allowed percentages.

Ethyl Maltol was listed only as a flavoring with a maximum allowed percentage (compared to the dry weight of the tobacco) of 0.01%.

Casings listed were Brown Sugar (2.9%), Chocolate Liquor (0.27%), Cocoa Powder (1.2%), High Fructose Corn Syrup (4.49%), Licorice (0.77%), Prune Juice concentrate (0.26%), and Sucrose (2.13%)

R.J. Reynolds is only a small slice of the processed tobacco marketplace, of course, but I'd wager a guess that ethyl maltol is rarely used as a casing.

Do any of the DIYers know of a source for cured, but uncased (not even sugar water except for cavendish) tobaccos?

 

[johni]

Are there any vendors producing liquids from uncased, un-topped tobaccos?



Do any of the DIYers know of a source for cured, but uncased (not even sugar water except for cavendish) tobaccos?

Results from extracting uncased tobacco have not generally been good but here is a source: Whole Tobacco Leaves by the Pound, Buy Tobacco Leaf, Bulk Tobacco, Fronto Leaf, Cigar Wrappers, Binders, and Fillers

 

[billherbst]

Are there any vendors producing liquids from uncased, un-topped tobaccos? Do any of the DIYers know of a source for cured, but uncased (not even sugar water except for cavendish) tobaccos?

All the reports I've read on ECF from people who've tried extracting uncased tobacco, either raw or cured, have stated without exception that the resulting extracts and liquids made from them tasted less-than wonderful---varying from sort-of lousy to just plain dreadful.

That seems completely predictable to me with regard to raw, unprocessed (meaning uncured) tobacco, but does come as a bit of a surprise concerning cured-but-uncased tobacco. The fact that apparently no one has been able to produce an extract or juice from cured-but-uncased tobacco is telling, however.

Spraying sugar-water onto tobacco leaves (either onto the whole leaves during growing of the plants in the fields or more commonly onto chopped leaves during processing into blends, usually after curing) and letting the water evaporate slowly so that the sugar seeped into the leaf came to be called "casing" and has been done to almost all smoking tobacco literally for centuries. Why? Because tobacco smokers discovered that casing with sugar resulted in a cooler smoke and more even burn, which made such a big difference in the enjoyment that doing so became standard and universal practice. As to why casing is such a necessary process for tobacco that we extract for flavoring eliquid, I don't know, but apparently it is.

 

[johni]

Apologies to the vendor/author, but I don't find his analysis useful, leave alone conclusive.



The main reason that a mixture of gasoline and water will ignite and burn is the alcohol in the gasoline. the more alcohol, the easier to ignite and the longer the burn. This can be tested by doing the following:

Control Base: pure water (100ml)

Solution #1: pure water with 10ml of pure alcohol

Solution #2: pure water with 30ml of pure alcohol

Solution #3: pure water with 90ml of pure alcohol

If you test the 4 solutions above, you will find that the more alcohol, the easier the solution ignites and the longer the burn.

Therefor, alcohol is the main catalyst for ignition and burn. Gasoline plays a smaller role. You can test this by replacing the water with gasoline and adding the varying amounts of alcohol. You will find the results are negligible.

Maybe you can find tobacco cased with alcohol and gasoline instead of sugar!

 

[Frankenmizer]

The Two-Tank Test

The test is simple. Take one Aspire Nautilus Mini and vape two tankfuls - about 4ml - through one coil.
Subjectively evaluate the juice for vapor, throat hit, and flavor.
Objectively observe coil life.

Smug Juice VG/PG: 70/30

About Branded: Sumg Juice says: "..a rugged American blend. The combination of Virginia flue cured and aged burley tobaccos give you a smooth robust flavor."


The juice is a mid-range amber color, darker than SJ's HUMP, lighter than Cuban Perfecto. I detected little to no aroma from the raw juice itself in my standard 18mg strength.


Vapor: Good to very good, in line with what one would expect from a 70VG/30PG blend.

Throat Hit: Very good. In line with 18mg. juices.

Flavor: Smooth. The Virginia and Burley seem to be evenly distributed. Virginia is more dominant on the inhale, Burley on the exhale, at least as I perceive it. Taste is subjective! The flavor is good, but not great like HUMP is. It tends to go muted in the Aspire Mini after one ml. It reminds me of NETcom's NS Brown.


The Coil: The Aspire Bottom Vertical Coil (BVC) survived two tanks, and feels like it could make three..maybe. Flavor muting drives me to say the furthest I would go with Branded is two tanks (4ml).

Notes: Make sure you give more time than normal for the blend to bed into the wicking material to avoid initial dry hits.


The Verdict: Branded is a good juice. If the flavor could be bumped a notch or two, it would be a great blend. 7/10.

 

[boomerdude]

You can get blending varietals and cured leaves. I wouldn't recommend the leaves as the ones I purchased were vile. I have most of the blending tobaccos from P&T and find them very neutral with just the flavor of the specific tobacco and nothing else.

Are there any vendors producing liquids from uncased, un-topped tobaccos?



Do any of the DIYers know of a source for cured, but uncased (not even sugar water except for cavendish) tobaccos?

 

[NotSoMini]

That's how I got to try St. Stevens, which I enjoy even more than some of the juices I purchased.

It appears Vash will be removing St. Stevens once the extract is gone. Stock up while he has it if you like this NET.

 

[Kataphraktos]

It appears Vash will be removing St. Stevens once the extract is gone. Stock up while he has it if you like this NET.

Thanks for the heads up!