Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Big Juicy]

The total order needs to be over $ 60 though for that discount to apply. I was only gonna order if it was a ridiculous discount, since I already have over two liters of juice.

If I am to try them it will have to be Pif. I have a ton of juice which I will post on the pif thread as soon as I have an exact inventory.

I understand profit margins, so no disrespect, but I ain;t dropping $60 on a vendor I never tried before, nor does that even make sense for so many of us who are buried in juice as it is. I am sure this is a great sale for loyal and vehement followers of this vendor, but in no way does it attract new customers.

 

[billherbst]

I understand profit margins, so no disrespect, but I ain;t dropping $60 on a vendor I never tried before, nor does that even make sense for so many of us who are buried in juice as it is. I am sure this is a great sale for loyal and vehement followers of this vendor, but in no way does it attract new customers.

I agree. That's not a sale, it's a high-volume discount.

 

[Mazinny]

I understand profit margins, so no disrespect, but I ain;t dropping $60 on a vendor I never tried before, nor does that even make sense for so many of us who are buried in juice as it is. I am sure this is a great sale for loyal and vehement followers of this vendor, but in no way does it attract new customers.

yes. i was willing to try 120 ml of extract at $ 30. worth a try to me, and it did go through in the cart and my credit card was charged, but then i got an email stating this was a mistake. i did not re-order at $ 60.

they now list their 30 ml bottles at a "sale" price of $ 15, which is on par or more expensive than some other NET vendors' regular price. in the last three months i have bought from Goodejuice, HHV, Ahlusion, MOV and Net.com from prices ranging from $ 7 ( GeJ ) to $ 13.50 (Net.com ) for 30 ml.

listing a juice at $ 30 per 30 ml and then offering a sale at $ 15, rubs me the wrong way. there are way too many good vendors reducing their prices, if not officialy certainly in essence, by offering frequent sales and discount coupons etc... for me not to see a trend.

paying prices in excess of 50 cents per ml, could be worth it to some, but that is absolutely the upper range of what i am willing to pay. $ 60 for 120 ml of extract might still be a great deal, but i am not willing to spend it to find out, especially with two liters of juice i really like being aged as we speak.

 

[BaccyFiend]

I understand profit margins, so no disrespect, but I ain;t dropping $60 on a vendor I never tried before, nor does that even make sense for so many of us who are buried in juice as it is. I am sure this is a great sale for loyal and vehement followers of this vendor, but in no way does it attract new customers.

Agree. It would only be $30 with the discount, but I usually only like to dip my toe in at $15-20 max for a new vendor that I haven't tried yet. Unfortunately, I got hooked on their crack at $0.50/ml, which I found well worth the price, and $0.25/ml seemed like a steal to me.

 

[BaccyFiend]

yes. i was willing to try 120 ml of extract at $ 30. worth a try to me, and it did go through in the cart and my credit card was charged, but then i got an email stating this was a mistake. i did not re-order at $ 60.

they now list their 30 ml bottles at a "sale" price of $ 15, which is on par or more expensive than some other NET vendors' regular price. in the last three months i have bought from Goodejuice, HHV, Ahlusion, MOV and Net.com from prices ranging from $ 7 ( GeJ ) to $ 13.50 (Net.com ) for 30 ml.

listing a juice at $ 30 per 30 ml and then offering a sale at $ 15, rubs me the wrong way. there are way too many good vendors reducing their prices, if not officialy certainly in essence, by offering frequent sales and discount coupons etc... for me not to see a trend.

paying prices in excess of 50 cents per ml, could be worth it to some, but that is absolutely the upper range of what i am willing to pay. $ 60 for 120 ml of extract might still be a great deal, but i am not willing to spend it to find out, especially with two liters of juice i really like being aged as we speak.

I had the same issue - the discount went through for my order, but I ended up getting an email later saying that it wasn't applicable to the concentrates. I still went ahead with the Izmir concentrate, since I love their Turkish.

It was mentioned on one of their sale postings that their price was a cost relative to volume of sales thing and that the price would probably come down if they start selling more.

I think $0.50/ml is a right-on price for these relative to their quality compared to GeJ, NETcom, and others. I've really liked some juices from other vendors, but there was always something, if ever so slight, that was lacking to me to make it the perfect vape. CowBoy, however, hits all the right notes. If someone put a gun to my head and said this is the only juice you'll ever vape again, I'd say "OK" and be fine with it. I can't say the same for too many others.

 

[RevPaul]

All of those things you listed are so small... it's an exaggeration to say they are fiddly, work or big in any way if you compare them to any other drippers ( at least the ones I've used )

I use drippers exclusively these days, as I'm really only vaping NETs. My Igo-L and my A6 mini work perfectly. I've never had either of them leak. What I was looking for when I got the Magma was something that holds more liquid. I've considered a genesis-style tank, and may still take that plunge, but I'm fairly lazy, so I want things that are easy to work with and that don't make a mess. Don't get me wrong, the Magma is a fine atomizer and it cranks out the flavor like nothing else. I'm just disappointed with its leakiness. And you're right, it's a small thing...I mean, it's only leaked when I dripped into it with the top cap on...but if I want to use it on the go, I need a pocket full of paper towels just so I can drip/refill it. That's just a little disappointing to me.

 

[billherbst]

I use drippers exclusively these days, as I'm really only vaping NETs. My Igo-L and my A6 mini work perfectly. I've never had either of them leak. What I was looking for when I got the Magma was something that holds more liquid. I've considered a genesis-style tank, and may still take that plunge, but I'm fairly lazy, so I want things that are easy to work with and that don't make a mess. Don't get me wrong, the Magma is a fine atomizer and it cranks out the flavor like nothing else. I'm just disappointed with its leakiness. And you're right, it's a small thing...I mean, it's only leaked when I dripped into it with the top cap on...but if I want to use it on the go, I need a pocket full of paper towels just so I can drip/refill it. That's just a little disappointing to me.

I'm frankly surprised at the number of large-chamber (20-22mm diameter) dripping atomizers that keep hitting the market. FastTech seems to have 20 new clones every week.

I have some larger capacity tanks (Kayfuns, Aspire Nautilus) in service, plus a whole battalion of J2 Evod clones and Kanger T3 bottom-coil clearos that I rebuild whenever the coils get crusty. All those are running on Kicked Mechanicals (since I don't do sub-ohm; all my coils are from 1-2 ohms). The only RDAs I use have been modified for use on my 13 bottom-feeders, They're all small-chambered, 14mm-diameter YK1 Minis (Cyclone clones) and A6 Minis.

So, I read the lively discussions here of the Magma and other large RDAs, and I feel like I'm sitting on the bench watching you folks play the game. That's OK, of course. Sometimes watching from the sidelines isn't such a bad place to be.

 

[Mazinny]

I had the same issue - the discount went through for my order, but I ended up getting an email later saying that it wasn't applicable to the concentrates. I still went ahead with the Izmir concentrate, since I love their Turkish.

It was mentioned on one of their sale postings that their price was a cost relative to volume of sales thing and that the price would probably come down if they start selling more.

I think $0.50/ml is a right-on price for these relative to their quality compared to GeJ, NETcom, and others. I've really liked some juices from other vendors, but there was always something, if ever so slight, that was lacking to me to make it the perfect vape. CowBoy, however, hits all the right notes. If someone put a gun to my head and said this is the only juice you'll ever vape again, I'd say "OK" and be fine with it. I can't say the same for too many others.

I hear you, but I'm not sure their "quality relative to GeJ and Net.com etc"... is quantifiable. It's your opinion, which by the way i might share if i try them, but still, it's only an opinion.

I don't really buy into the cost relative to volume of sales argument to be honest. It's the other way around really. You offer your juice at a reduced price in the beginning in order to get people incentive to try them. This is not 2011. There are plenty of Net vendors around.

New vendors should not expect to be making a profit from the go. Some businesses are prepared to forgo profits in the beginning in order to capture market share. Instead, they started out by pricing their juice at a price higher than all Net Vendors, trying to portray an image of superior quality i suppose !? They soon learned the folly of their way and slashed their prices by 50 % in what, less than a month ?

I am glad you found your go to juice. My palate is not as discerning as yours i suppose. I have found plenty of juices i liked across the board, from the NET-lite offerings of HHV and Ahlusion all the way to the full flavored strong tobacco offerings of MOV and Ahlusion aromatics and everything in between. I still have about fifteen juices from Net.com, MVJ and Quicknic on hand, that i haven't even tried.

If they offered their juices at an introductory too good to be true price, i would've tried them, but as is, considering the sheer volume of juice i already have, it shall wait.

btw i have dozens of NET's i would be willing to trade for some of their juices, if you have any interest. Shoot me a pm, if you do.

 

[Midniteoyl]

All of those things you listed are so small... it's an exaggeration to say they are fiddly, work or big in any way if you compare them to any other drippers ( at least the ones I've used )

Have an Origen v2? If you build it so the coils are at a 45degree and both ends of the wicks go into the well, there is no leaking whatsoever.. and it holds more. Flavor, to me, is as good.

 

[clnire]

I posted this on the Slow cooker extraction thread but thought I would post it here too for the extractors:

Pipes and Cigars 24 hr 20% off sale coupon code LOYAL

 

[sandman97289]

nevermind, clnire got in before me

 

[rdsok]

Have an Origen v2? If you build it so the coils are at a 45degree and both ends of the wicks go into the well, there is no leaking whatsoever.. and it holds more. Flavor, to me, is as good.

Thanks for the info... but I'm perfectly happy with the Magma as it is now... perhaps you should direct it at the other user that I was referring too instead. That isn't to say I may not try an Origen ( whatever version ) at some point... just that the minor leaks I've seen on the Magma wasn't as bad as being portrayed. Typically, I go through several fill's before I need to wipe it down a little. I also got only slightly less on the IGO-L

 

[Jerms]

I had the same issue - the discount went through for my order, but I ended up getting an email later saying that it wasn't applicable to the concentrates. I still went ahead with the Izmir concentrate, since I love their Turkish.

It was mentioned on one of their sale postings that their price was a cost relative to volume of sales thing and that the price would probably come down if they start selling more.

I think $0.50/ml is a right-on price for these relative to their quality compared to GeJ, NETcom, and others. I've really liked some juices from other vendors, but there was always something, if ever so slight, that was lacking to me to make it the perfect vape. CowBoy, however, hits all the right notes. If someone put a gun to my head and said this is the only juice you'll ever vape again, I'd say "OK" and be fine with it. I can't say the same for too many others.

It's awesome finding those vapes that click so well for us we could imagine being happy with just them. I would hate to be stuck having to pick just one juice, but if I was told I had to stick with just a certain line like GeJ, Ahl, or RBFS; I would be fine with it. If a gun was put to my head and told to pick one.. today I'd probably do RBFS followed closely by GeJ. If that same gunman changed her mind and said you can only pick one juice to ever vape again.. I think that would be Smooth Criminal from Ahl. I just can't see getting sick of that one. And finally, if it was all revealed that this was just a trick and your only option is The Best Damn Tobacco fromm VV... I'd say pull the trigger.

 

[Mr.Mann]

It's awesome finding those vapes that click so well for us we could imagine being happy with just them. I would hate to be stuck having to pick just one juice, but if I was told I had to stick with just a certain line like GeJ, Ahl, or RBFS; I would be fine with it. If a gun was put to my head and told to pick one.. today I'd probably do RBFS followed closely by GeJ. If that same gunman changed her mind and said you can only pick one juice to ever vape again.. I think that would be Smooth Criminal from Ahl. I just can't see getting sick of that one. And finally, if it was all revealed that this was just a trick and your only option is The Best Damn Tobacco from VV... I'd say pull the trigger.

Way to bring it home! LOL.

 

[Frankenmizer]

I understand profit margins, so no disrespect, but I ain;t dropping $60 on a vendor I never tried before, nor does that even make sense for so many of us who are buried in juice as it is. I am sure this is a great sale for loyal and vehement followers of this vendor, but in no way does it attract new customers.

It was enough to get me to try them once. I guinea pigged Smug Juice, so what the heck; damn the guineas, full pig ahead on Real Extracts.

 

[Frankenmizer]

I'm frankly surprised at the number of large-chamber (20-22mm diameter) dripping atomizers that keep hitting the market. FastTech seems to have 20 new clones every week.

I have some larger capacity tanks (Kayfuns, Aspire Nautilus) in service, plus a whole battalion of J2 Evod clones and Kanger T3 bottom-coil clearos that I rebuild whenever the coils get crusty. All those are running on Kicked Mechanicals (since I don't do sub-ohm; all my coils are from 1-2 ohms). The only RDAs I use have been modified for use on my 13 bottom-feeders, They're all small-chambered, 14mm-diameter YK1 Minis (Cyclone clones) and A6 Minis.

So, I read the lively discussions here of the Magma and other large RDAs, and I feel like I'm sitting on the bench watching you folks play the game. That's OK, of course. Sometimes watching from the sidelines isn't such a bad place to be.

I thought we'd hit market saturation last year. Every time I start to think that again this year, in comes another swimming pool full of products. I'm buying a snorkel..with a 22mm 510 adapter on the top of it.

 

[Mazinny]

It's awesome finding those vapes that click so well for us we could imagine being happy with just them. I would hate to be stuck having to pick just one juice, but if I was told I had to stick with just a certain line like GeJ, Ahl, or RBFS; I would be fine with it. If a gun was put to my head and told to pick one.. today I'd probably do RBFS followed closely by GeJ. If that same gunman changed her mind and said you can only pick one juice to ever vape again.. I think that would be Smooth Criminal from Ahl. I just can't see getting sick of that one. And finally, if it was all revealed that this was just a trick and your only option is The Best Damn Tobacco fromm VV... I'd say pull the trigger.

taste perception is a strange thing. out of five ahl tobacco's i have tried, sc is my least favorite. not that i dislike it mind you, it's just that i don't even taste it. i don't taste the tobacco, would be a more accurate statement actually. i do taste something, it's just that my taste buds don't recognize it as tobacco. i'm not sure i could chose just one tobacco. well, i could, but it is likely to change next week. currently, it's organic tobacco from gej. so glad, i won't have to make a decision like that.

 

[Jerms]

taste perception is a strange thing. out of five ahl tobacco's i have tried, sc is my least favorite. not that i dislike it mind you, it's just that i don't even taste it. i don't taste the tobacco, would be a more accurate statement actually. i do taste something, it's just that my taste buds don't recognize it as tobacco. i'm not sure i could chose just one tobacco. well, i could, but it is likely to change next week. currently, it's organic tobacco from gej. so glad, i won't have to make a decision like that.

I'm assuming you've had well-steeped SC over a few months old? I can see fresher SC not playing like a tobacco to some, but well steeped all I really taste is tobacco (though quite different than soaked tobaccos).

For me early on it's like a highly cased tobacco with dessert qualities, and well steeped it's a straight up smooth, medium tobacco flavor. Luckily for me, unlike many, I love it at both stages. If it was my only vape it would still be like having 2 different juices by having one fresh and one aged on hand.

 

[Mazinny]

I'm assuming you've had well-steeped SC over a few months old? I can see fresher SC not playing like a tobacco to some, but well steeped all I really taste is tobacco (though quite different than soaked tobaccos).

For me early on it's like a highly cased tobacco with dessert qualities, and well steeped it's a straight up smooth, medium tobacco flavor. Luckily for me, unlike many, I love it at both stages. If it was my only vape it would still be like having 2 different juices by having one fresh and one aged on hand.

i have tried it after two days, two weeks and six weeks. at six weeks, it tasted kinda like Sludge from HHV if you have tried that one, but without the tobacco impact for me. i haven't given up just yet, but i can't recall any liquid which i didn't like at six weeks, and i turned out to like later. we shall see. For comparison, something like CWW and Sahara Blend, did improve for me, but i loved them from the get go.

 

[Jerms]

Rebuilt my Veritas with a regular, horizontal, compressed micro coil.... damn, should have just started with what I normally use instead of messing with duals, verticals, macro springs lol. Vaping like any other dripper. I was worried about the airflow, but I don't really think the screw down the middle actually splits the airflow like the maker claims.

I'm actually pretty impressed by the vape I'm getting, just solid. Sahara Blend is tasting wonderful. Now I can fully enjoy my leak-less wonder.