Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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billherbst

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The vaping technique I've used since I started almost four years ago---mouth-to-lung---has remained the same. I seal my lips around the drip tip/mouthpiece with the delrin tip between my teeth. I don't "clamp" the tip between my teeth, but merely hold it lightly. (My drip tips are all delrin or nylon, because I don't like how metal or glass feels against my teeth.) I press the firing button and first take a "primer puff" to heat up the coil, taking the vapor into my mouth, then immediately expelling it. With the coil primed and presumably hot, I fire it up again and suck on the mouthpiece of the PV with some intensity, taking that thicker and more copious vapor into my mouth, as much as feels comfortable. Then I remove the PV from my lips and hold the vapor in my mouth for a couple seconds, savoring the flavor, before opening my mouth slightly and inhaling regular air into my lungs. The air takes the vapor in my mouth along for the ride down into my lungs. The effect is to dilute the impact of the vapor entering my lungs. When I exhale, I get a second hit of flavor, sometimes with a difference balance of flavors than on the inhale. That depends on the juice I'm vaping, of course.

This technique is second-nature to me---automatic, natural-feeling, and very comfortable. I particularly enjoy seeing the vapor from the primer puffs, which is somewhat akin to pipe smoking.

A "direct lung inhale" is all aerated vapor straight into the lungs,usually with no primer puff, and with no outside air. It's rather like breathing, except that it's vapor-filled air rather than regular air, and the inhale is longer and considerably more forceful than a normal breath---you know, the unconscious kind we do 20-25 times a minute to stay alive. As far as I know, all the cloud-chasing vapers and many regular vapers use that technique. It's apparently natural to them, and they seem to love it. Videos I've seen of vapers doing humongous direct lung hits are the vaping equivalent of watching someone chug a massive volume of beer from one of those vase-shaped half-yard ale glasses. I marvel at people's ability to do either of those feats.

At my current nic level of 12mg, using a 1-ohm micro-coiled, rayon-wicked RBA on a REO or other 3.7 volt bottom-feeder, I can handle a direct lung inhale as long as I do it s-l-o-w-l-y and very carefully (to avoid the sudden and dreaded coughing spasm). I just tried it four times, with two successes and two coughing fits. Significant loss of the flavor experience was immediately noticeable, although that could be simply because I am unaccustomed to this method. The vapor also got quite hot toward the end of the last 5-second slow inhale, a dead giveaway that my wick was insufficiently squonked (i.e., not saturated) with liquid.

Interesting, but I doubt that I will change my existing technique.
 

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Same here. Vita Bella, Patriot and Blue Grass Burley. Fifty percent off sale and I'm on it, otherwise I stick to the several liters of DIY NET's in my cabinet. However, I'm swapping for some St. James Parish and Pirate's Drunken Sweet Tooth. I'm hoping one or both will get added to that list.

One of the few retail NET juice's I'll still buy... for good reason :vapor:
 

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The vaping technique I've used since I started almost four years ago---mouth-to-lung---has remained the same. I seal my lips around the drip tip/mouthpiece with the delrin tip between my teeth. I don't "clamp" the tip between my teeth, but merely hold it lightly. (My drip tips are all delrin or nylon, because I don't like how metal or glass feels against my teeth.) I press the firing button and first take a "primer puff" to heat up the coil, taking the vapor into my mouth, then immediately expelling it. With the coil primed and presumably hot, I fire it up again and suck on the mouthpiece of the PV with some intensity, taking that thicker and more copious vapor into my mouth, as much as feels comfortable. Then I remove the PV from my lips and hold the vapor in my mouth for a couple seconds, savoring the flavor, before opening my mouth slightly and inhaling regular air into my lungs. The air takes the vapor in my mouth along for the ride down into my lungs. The effect is to dilute the impact of the vapor entering my lungs. When I exhale, I get a second hit of flavor, sometimes with a difference balance of flavors than on the inhale. That depends on the juice I'm vaping, of course.

This technique is second-nature to me---automatic, natural-feeling, and very comfortable. I particularly enjoy seeing the vapor from the primer puffs, which is somewhat akin to pipe smoking.

A "direct lung inhale" is all aerated vapor straight into the lungs,usually with no primer puff, and with no outside air. It's rather like breathing, except that it's vapor-filled air rather than regular air, and the inhale is longer and considerably more forceful than a normal breath---you know, the unconscious kind we do 20-25 times a minute to stay alive. As far as I know, all the cloud-chasing vapers and many regular vapers use that technique. It's apparently natural to them, and they seem to love it. Videos I've seen of vapers doing humongous direct lung hits are the vaping equivalent of watching someone chug a massive volume of beer from one of those vase-shaped half-yard ale glasses. I marvel at people's ability to do either of those feats.

At my current nic level of 12mg, using a 1-ohm micro-coiled, rayon-wicked RBA on a REO or other 3.7 volt bottom-feeder, I can handle a direct lung inhale as long as I do it s-l-o-w-l-y and very carefully (to avoid the sudden and dreaded coughing spasm). I just tried it four times, with two successes and two coughing fits. Significant loss of the flavor experience was immediately noticeable, although that could be simply because I am unaccustomed to this method. The vapor also got quite hot toward the end of the last 5-second slow inhale, a dead giveaway that my wick was insufficiently squonked (i.e., not saturated) with liquid.

Interesting, but I doubt that I will change my existing technique.



I'm a mouth to lung hitter much the same as you, also using a very similar process of draw-exhale-draw-hold-inhale-exhale, except I hold the drip tips with my lips. The only drip tip that I hold within my teeth is the 10" long pipe stem that use with my e-pipes.


I'm not surprised that you did not have much success with the lung hits on your Reo. I had to build a completely different setup because I wanted to get to the bottom of this whole different style of vaping. Here's what I learned during that process:
Air - The more the better. My lung hitting setup uses approximately 6 - 9mm of air holes. I've seen setups that go to 18mm.
Large bore drip tips - Moving that much air into your lungs, requires the use of a large bore drip tip.
Lower ohms - usually well below .5 ohms. My setup uses .8 ohm duals.
Multiple coils - 2 or more.
Low nic - The biggest change I've seen with the folks that do those competition level setups is the nic level. Most of them use 3mg or less of nic for their setups.

When somebody first offered me a .2 ohm setup and asked me try a lung hit, my first reaction was "No way am I going to be able to hit that!". Surprisingly, the vapor had no heat to it, due to the massive amounts of air cooling down the coils. The nic/throat hit was also completely non-existent due to it being 3mg nic. The vapour made it past my throat and into my lungs with absolutely 0 resistance. End result: Massive cloud of vapour. The amount of vapour that I exhaled was almost obscene.
 

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Hello all. First time poster here. I've been reading this thread for weeks. I've been vaping for a few months now. Anxiously awaiting my shipment of Big Spirit from NET.com ( I've been smoking American Spirits for close to 20 years). I'm very interested in NETs, I think they will work wonders to finally get me away from analogs for good. I'm a little concerned with how the NETs will "gunk" up my coils though. Currently using ego batts, an itaste MVP and Kanger mini protank 3 topper. Can anyone recommend a easy to set up, cost effective RBA and MOD (clone) that would work well with all these NETs I want to get into?
As far as clone mod. I would recommend the brass paps from Fasttech. It has the best switch of a mech I have personally used. I have had a nemesis with and with out magnets. Also a V1 Atomo and A tree of life. The nemesis was pretty good with magnets. But the magnets are fragile. I drop the mod on a hard surface from waist height. And the magnets broke. As far as RBA. I like the magma for flavor at home. And the Fogger V4 for out and about. If I hadn't lost my patriot. I would probably still use that for on the go also.
 

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I'm not surprised that you did not have much success with the lung hits on your Reo. I had to build a completely different setup because I wanted to get to the bottom of this whole different style of vaping. Here's what I learned during that process:
Air - The more the better. My lung hitting setup uses approximately 6 - 9mm of air holes. I've seen setups that go to 18mm.
Large bore drip tips - Moving that much air into your lungs, requires the use of a large bore drip tip.
Lower ohms - usually well below .5 ohms. My setup uses .8 ohm duals.
Multiple coils - 2 or more.
Low nic - The biggest change I've seen with the folks that do those competition level setups is the nic level. Most of them use 3mg or less of nic for their setups.

When somebody first offered me a .2 ohm setup and asked me try a lung hit, my first reaction was "No way am I going to be able to hit that!". Surprisingly, the vapor had no heat to it, due to the massive amounts of air cooling down the coils. The nic/throat hit was also completely non-existent due to it being 3mg nic. The vapour made it past my throat and into my lungs with absolutely 0 resistance. End result: Massive cloud of vapour. The amount of vapour that I exhaled was almost obscene.

That all makes sense, Dusty.

Huge air intake on the RBA, with multiple coils and ultra-low nic. Out of my league.
 

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There's many things I'm hating about this newer version of tapatalk on my new phone. The latest I just discovered, search doesn't work both on a thread and general forum searches. For me, that really sucks.

I just ordered Americano Ciambella by P.O.E.T. that was on sale at a site for 25% and free shipping. It was on my list of juices to try. So after ordering it I tried to do a search to figure out why it made my list.. and I can't. It's a tobacco, so I assume it was recommended on this thread. So.. can anyone fill me in; why did I order this? lol.

The description on the site said something about maple bar.. spicy cream.. tobacco.

P.O.E.T. made a splash on VapeRev last year. I think Raymond did an interview with the founder...ah he did..here it is
 
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So what's with the pricing on NET.com extracts ? When you buy extracts from MVJ, you can make the juice at the extract percentage they use for less cost, which makes sense really. They save on the cost of pg,vg, nicotine and labor. With NET.com it would cost you more to make the same juice at the same extract percentage they use. I wonder if he is even aware of this fact.

It's a pet peeve of mine since i like the extract option. Gives me the chance to tweak with the tobacco impact untl it's to my preference. With MVJ for example, i use about 25 % extract whereas she uses 20 %.

I think you have a valid point here.

I had a long post about the cost ratio and then I re-read your post; at 60ml or 25%, you're spending $3 more.

I'll have to ask Clay about this if I get a chance to speak to him in the near future, otherwise.....I don't know if anyone else saw the sale that's starting at midnight- that would make them cost less than their counterparts.

I'll edit to add the details in if nobody has posted it.

EDIT: I'm just going to make a new post. So, sorry for the double-post, in advance.

EDIT 2: Clay said he will be addressing the Extract issue.
 
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So, here's the NETCom sale that I just mentioned a second ago: :rickroll:

NETCom said:
***ANNOUNCEMENT***

Tonight (9/1/2014) around Midnight CST we will begin a

"Back to the grind" Post-Labor Day SALE!!!

During our sale, which ends at 11:59 PST on Friday, September 5th, you will receive:

20% OFF your ENTIRE ORDER!!*

*With the exception of our new products being launched tonight:

Those are 30% OFF!!


Check back tonight/tomorrow/this-week-before-Friday to see what NEW PRODUCTS we have ready to launch for our customers!

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**We are aware that there is an issue with processing credit cards on the website at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience, however alternate transaction methods are being processed during this down-time.

We do anticipate this issue being resolved very quickly this week after the Labor Day weekend, but If you wish to place your order to get into the queue without delay, please email Clay or Chelsae at redacted to avoid spambots if you would like to explore other payment options!
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Brob,

You're evil. You put so much temptation out there on the week I have to save pennies for the family vacation. You evil person you. :lol:

I have a temporary fix to my coil issue. I'm rewicking some Kanger Esmart coils my wife hasn't used in a couple of months. Now if I could ever get the Mountain Dew and Jade Tiger flavors to disappear I would be fine. Too bad the tanks are purple. :laugh:
 

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This..

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YOWZA!!! That's some kind of set up there!

Too advanced for me, tho...I'm a low-maintenance vaper!:laugh: All of these sophisticated high watt mods are just way over my head.
 

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Just cleaned and rebuilt five RDAs. 26 g Nichrome and 28 g Kanthal, various resistance, all wicked with KGD. Fresh coils rock the flavor!:D

Fired up Missouri Meerschaum Country Gentleman which has become one of my new favorites. Filtered to 2.5 microns, it is running clean and kicking out the flavor!:cool:
 

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It looks as though I'm suffering a run of vapor tongue. Still, I'd like to give kudos to those who praise KGD. KGD is fantastic even if it ends up not improving taste once my buds start working again. I'm experiencing a remarkable increase in vapor and haven't had one dry hit--not one.



yes, the linear fibers of k.g.d. and its superior permeability, is especially important for NET's, with the flow of juice. It also helps if it's as straight as possible within the device. If it's bunched up it sort of defeats the advantage over organic cotton, to an extent. In case anyone bunches the kgd in a kayfun like pbusardo does !
 

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Anyone take advantage of any Labor Day sales this holiday weekend? I saw several NET vendors like Ahl, MVJ, MOV, and NETcom had deals going on. All I jumped on was 30ml of SmokelessImage RY4 that was under $10 shippes, and that P.O.E.T juice. I considered the "NET" sample pack from Indigo and a few from MOV, but I have enough on hand.
 

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Anyone take advantage of any Labor Day sales this holiday weekend? I saw several NET vendors like Ahl, MVJ, MOV, and NETcom had deals going on. All I jumped on was 30ml of SmokelessImage RY4 that was under $10 shippes, and that P.O.E.T juice. I considered the "NET" sample pack from Indigo and a few from MOV, but I have enough on hand.

what is the sale on MOV ? don't see any discounts on their site.
 
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