Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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Ahh! and I just became broke after ordering all kinds of things!
That liter would go a long way.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think they said it has to be a bottle of each nic level, pg vg level or any other customizations they may offer for all sizes. It sounded completely absurd to me while they were telling me too. Absurd and idiotic, if you ask me.
And that's how it's meant to be. And they are not the slightest bit ashamed of themselves for it, either.
If you expect logical or common sense solutions to come from government regulation, you will remain continuously disillusioned.
And that's how it's meant to be. And they are not the slightest bit ashamed of themselves for it, either.
You know, if they're going to pull this kind of crap they need to do the same for the tobacco industry.... "Oh, well we need you to test every single one of your cigarettes without additives and then with every combination of additives individually. Also, we need the same for every type of filter size and length, flavor, and make sure to do all of this in every combination. If they're all proven safe.....oh wait, we know they're not. Nevermind, then."....but they won't.
They're just trying to drive the e-cigarette (seriously, we need to get rid of this term. Personal Vaporizer is true, but Nicotine Vaporizer fits what we're pointing at here specifically, without being all long like, "Personal Nicotine Vaporizer" or something similar) industry into the ground by introducing insane requirements.
I could somewhat understand this, if every analog were labelled with its nicotine, additive (incl. diketones), lead, and polonium (the question of radiation is not whether it's in there, it's how much is in a given analog) content advertised as an 'ingredient label' on the pack. Interesting thing is, something like only ~1% of cigarette deaths are actually caused by the main carcinogen caused by pyrolysis of nicotine (discounting tar-caused COPD, emphysema, ect). It's all the other crap in there that kills folks, so why isn't it labelled?
Short answer: The FDA doesn't really care. Everything is driven by money, and the tobacco lobbyists obviously want Big Tobacco to take over PV sales and drench their product in diacetyl and additives, just to turn a buck. In their case, billions of them. It costs very little to produce a pack of analogs. It would cost them even less to produce bottles of tainted e-liquid.
There's pretty much no way to stop the FDA from steamrolling a bunch of requirements on us.
Unless we've got a compelling counter-argument, which I think we do. (seriously? test every kind of PG/VG/nic/flavor combination? That's like (P)(V)(N)F = X. Sorry, I'm bad with math) but you get the idea: every possible pg combination in proportion to VG and inversely[P] and [V], respectively (There are quite a lot if you consider single percentiles like 1;2;3;4: ie, 64/36) times every single nicotine level you could possibly offer in a safe percentage TIMES those combinations(N), then multiplied by every single flavor combination (F) (or even individual flavorings)= X , or the number of different juices you would have to test per vendor.
I may be off by an order of magnitude or may have flip-flopped something, but you see where this is going.
If the Federal Death Administration wants to impose these regulations, let them pay for the testing. After all, they are interfering with harm-reduction efforts and encroaching on personal freedom of choice (not like there isn't enough of that going on already). If a person wants to vape, they're going to vape. I believe "Liberty" covers all of this in one word.
There's plenty of liberty suppression going on, as it stands. Proving that such testing would be unreasonable, unjustifiably costly and overly excessive in scope may be sufficient to knock this argument down... but you'd need one heck of a lead-lined boxing glove of truth to do so.
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You can count on it as far as I'm concerned. All I need do is step up the volume I extract, easy peasey.
I've been here on this thread reading from post #1 and I only remember one poster really getting it from everybody. The troll deserved it. Still, he/she left of their own volition when everybody stopped taking the bait. There may be an illusion of a " good ol' boy attitude " because there's a cadre of posters who contribute most of the posts that make up the two threads. Quantitatively they have years of experience with NET's and contribute all that knowledge. A newbie posting here, will be welcomed by at least one member of this thread, usually more than one. Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never seen anyone ridden out on a rail in this thread. Granted, sometimes you need a thick skin, but that comes with the territory.
I believe that there is some truth regarding the 'good 'ol boy aspect to this thread. I can remember when you could be run out on a rail for dissing Ahl tobaccos or for even mentioning HHVs tobaccos. (something about HHVs lack of transparency)
That's funny I'm vaping Bill's extraction of Anniversary Kake right now. I don't normally read up on the home brews I've received, though I'd probably get an added enjoyment if I did. Anyways, looked it up after your rum comment and yep, contains black cav with rum flavoring. I was under the impression it was a straight-up non-aromatic VA/Per blend. Maybe that's why I preferred Louisiana Red, though I haven't looked that one up yet so maybe that one has cav and/or flavoring too?
Either way, while not quite up there with LR for me, I still absolutely love this Anniversary Kake. Plays mostly like a non-aro VA/Per blend to me, though I can now get just a hint of the black cav since I know to look for it. Any rum involved would be extremely subtle.
Well said boomer! We posted a lot of stuff in the beginning about different tobacco varieties and tobacco knowledge in general. Don't see that much anymore.
We've had many discussions on various aspects of vaping, and in particular, vaping NETs. Sometimes you agree with the consensus, sometimes you don't, but by and large participants have remained cordial. For me, this thread (both parts) has been invaluable in my effort to remain smoke free for almost two years now!
Absolutely. You and a few others branched out to start threads in the sub-forums to share your knowledge of extracting. I try to keep my postings on that to those threads, but this thread is the first one I read 'cause this is where it's happening. 
Well said boomer! We posted a lot of stuff in the beginning about different tobacco varieties and tobacco knowledge in general. Don't see that much anymore.
We've had many discussions on various aspects of vaping, and in particular, vaping NETs. Sometimes you agree with the consensus, sometimes you don't, but by and large participants have remained cordial. For me, this thread (both parts) has been invaluable in my effort to remain smoke free for almost two years now!
Man I had no idea that "cold maceration" thread I started would ever go anywhere! I venture out into a small number of other threads but fewer as time goes by. Most of my ECF friends are on those threads and here. I'm proud to have been in this thread for as long as I have and I guess if that irritates anyone, so be it. I'm sticking around.Absolutely. You and a few others branched out to start threads in the sub-forums to share your knowledge of extracting. I try to keep my postings on that to those threads, but this thread is the first one I read 'cause this is where it's happening.
What I noticed with the Anniversary Kake is that the more it steeps the more the Virginia takes over and the rum subsides. It's funny what steeping does, for example, the earthy grassy/hay (which I love) from my Orlik Golden Slice has almost all gone and the Virginia is really bold now. It almost takes like a custard of sorts some times. I guess some NETs are great steeped and some are best fresh.
johni,
That's exactly how I felt when I started The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread. I thought it would vanish to the back pages after a day or two. Little did I know... Now it's three years later with 5500 posts and 165 RY4s reviewed, categorized, and graded. Even though I've mostly stopped buying RY4s, the thread goes on and on like the Energizer Bunny.
Without intending to contradict either of you, where did you read that Anniversary Kake contains "Black Cav with rum flavoring" and "rum casing"?
Personally, I don't taste any rum in my extract of Anniversary Kake. Maybe that's just my taster being sub-par, but the "official" description from Russ Oulette, the Hearth&Home blender, doesn't mention rum. I did see one pipe smoker review that stated "Virginia lightly topped with rum," but that was only one review out of about 30 I've read. None of the others included anything about rum, although many referred to fruit notes---apricot, raisin, fig, plum, and lemon.
I extracted both H&H Louisiana Red and Anniversary Kake in the same batch of macerations back in March, six months ago. Louisiana Red seems to me a tad stronger, less sweet, and more straightforward as a VA/Per blend, while Kake strikes me as more of a VA/Per hybrid with some non-tobacco flavors added, presumably as casings/toppings. Both are classed by the maker as Non-Aromatic Blends, but Anniversary Kake leans toward Aromatic somewhat, at least to my palate. Both are described as using different Virginias mixed with "a good amount" of Perique, but no other tobaccos.
Bill, a while back I found an interesting Russ Oullette interview from 2010. He mentions Anniversary Kake about 3/4of the way through. Interview with Tobacco Blender Russ Ouellette | The #1 Source for Pipes and Pipe Tobacco Information
I'm guessing here: Hearth & Home - Anniversary Kake (Signature Series) - Tobacco Reviews
I didn't get any Rum from your extract either, Bill.
Question. My RBFS order is being delivered today and I was wondering what is the consensus on steep time for these. If different for different flavors, I ordered Porch Rocker, Admiral's Pipe, Petner's Pipe, and Pirate's Drunken Sweet Tooth. I'm not going to lie, I will be trying some of these right out of the mail but was wondering at what point they hit their stride. Thanks.
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