Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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I met a young cloud chaser today while getting my van serviced. When he saw my Reo, he whipped out a big tube mod with a large chamber rebuildable on it and proceeded to tell me how ridiculously low his coil's resistance was. He asked what I vape to which I answered I extract tobaccos and he wanted to try it saying he had not found any tobaccos locally that he liked (no vape shops sell NETs here). I pulled off my drip tip and handed him my setup (one Ω coil, about 7 hours of vaping on the battery). Using his DT, he took a big hit, coughed :laugh: and said "man that sheet is strong!":laugh::laugh: The juice was Louisiana Red, mild to medium in flavor intensity to my taste. I think maybe he learned a little respect for non-cloud-chasing old men.:2cool:
 

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Part of the issue may be that we aren't properly boxing our cigars or letting them rest. Then again it could be that no matter how you prep your cigar, vape or fire, it takes a long time for the "intent" to show through.
Or maybe a lot of popular cigars are just made very mild in flavor intensity to appeal to the yuppie cigar crowd? I know I've never smoked or vaped a cigar that was anywhere near as potent as the big green ones my dad smoked!
 

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Dropping in all random like I do...
Im sure somebody has had juice from naturally-extracted-tobacco.com so I have a couple questions for the NETers.
Im know you love your pipes and cigar liquids but has anyone tried their cigarette style NETs? Im wondering what those are like. And, hows their shipping times and customer service these days? Its just that I saw on a different thread that there was difficulties a while back.

Thanks!!:vapor:
 

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Dropping in all random like I do...
Im sure somebody has had juice from naturally-extracted-tobacco.com so I have a couple questions for the NETers.
Im know you love your pipes and cigar liquids but has anyone tried their cigarette style NETs? Im wondering what those are like. And, hows their shipping times and customer service these days? Its just that I saw on a different thread that there was difficulties a while back.

Thanks!!:vapor:

I've tried (and enjoyed) Big Spirit, Organic Spirit, NS Brown, and NS Dark. Taste is subjective, but from my perspective each of those I mentioned are very good.

I've placed orders since "the troubles" and found response time to be excellent. I tend to order in bulk so I have not placed an order in a couple of months. Check other responses to your questions to get a better sense of it.
 

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I finally ordered the Magma this morning. I forgot to get the drip tip so had to place a separate order for that as well.:facepalm: My NET.com order should be here today when I get home from work. I also ordered Dunhill Early Morning Pipe, Sutliff, and Toasted Cavendish from MVJ this morning.

I loaded up Fire Cured Tobacco from Goodejuice last night, steeped 3 weeks, I think this may be my favorite.
 

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Or maybe a lot of popular cigars are just made very mild in flavor intensity to appeal to the yuppie cigar crowd? I know I've never smoked or vaped a cigar that was anywhere near as potent as the big green ones my dad smoked!

About those "green ones" your dad smoked:
Green cigars are latter-day oddities, but they once were the preferred smokes of Americans, so popular in the United States that cigars with candela wrappers became known as American Market Selection. (Natural cigars, the ones that make up the vast majority of today's cigar market, were dubbed English Market Selection.) From about 1958 to the early 1970s, Americans smoked billions of cigars, and nearly all of them were as green as your front lawn after a May rain. The popular tint was not a function of the use of underage leaf, however. It resulted from a unique process by which the wrapper tobacco was being cured.

"Everyone out there was selling candelas," says Bob Franzblau, owner of Tampa, Florida, retailer Thompson & Co. Everyone, that is, but Thompson. The company, which made its own cigars at the time, was not a player in the candela business when Franzblau acquired Thompson in 1960. Franzblau had no experience in the cigar industry, but he was wise enough to know the first rule of Business 101: give the customer what he wants. He chucked the old product line and started selling candelas, and turned an unprofitable company into a moneymaker. "Right from day one," he says, "we were in the black."

The Hulk-colored cigars went out of favor in the early 1970s, replaced by cream-colored smokes with Connecticut-shade wrappers, and were all but absent during the cigar renaissance of the 1990s. Candelas just might be the anchovies of the cigar world, loved by a small group but abhorred by the majority -- even if they've never tried one.

Pockets of candela aficionados are out there, most of them smokers of machine-made brands such as Antonio y Cleopatra Grenadiers, Garcia y Vegas and Dutch Masters, which proudly display their bright green wares from beneath cellophane. The candela choices among handmade cigars are rather limited, but several notable additions have surfaced in recent years. Bering has long made several candela sizes, and the same man who makes and owns the brand, Nestor Plasencia, grows its green wrappers. There's also the Fuente, as well as a few Macanudos. (Natural-wrapped Macs are called Cafés; candelas are called Jades.)
 

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Dropping in all random like I do...
Im sure somebody has had juice from naturally-extracted-tobacco.com so I have a couple questions for the NETers.
Im know you love your pipes and cigar liquids but has anyone tried their cigarette style NETs? Im wondering what those are like. And, hows their shipping times and customer service these days? Its just that I saw on a different thread that there was difficulties a while back.

Thanks!!:vapor:
I reviewed Big Spirit about a year ago.. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488956

Very impressive cig vape. I haven't had their other cigarette NETs, but have only heard good things about them.
 

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Dropping in all random like I do...
Im sure somebody has had juice from naturally-extracted-tobacco.com so I have a couple questions for the NETers.
Im know you love your pipes and cigar liquids but has anyone tried their cigarette style NETs? Im wondering what those are like. And, hows their shipping times and customer service these days? Its just that I saw on a different thread that there was difficulties a while back.

Thanks!!:vapor:

Welcome - I have tried Organic Spirit and Big Spirit. I enjoyed both of these and they will be on my next reorder. I have NS Brown and NS Dark that I have not tried yet. My last order took a couple of weeks and like Frankenmizer I do order in bulk. I thought someone posted about the new French cigarettes however I don't recall who.
 

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Found out some info from Nick about GeJ's Acadian Gold that I found interesting...

Acadian Gold was their first NET. It contains flue cured gold Virginia and Acadian Perique making it a.... VA/Per blend! Actually, it contains some burley too so it's a VA/Per+1. I've yet to vape it, but I'm certainly looking forward to including it next order!
 

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Found out some info from Nick about GeJ's Acadian Gold that I found interesting...

Acadian Gold was their first NET. It contains flue cured gold Virginia and Acadian Perique making it a.... VA/Per blend! Actually, it contains some burley too so it's a VA/Per+1. I've yet to vape it, but I'm certainly looking forward to including it next order!


Don't trust a newbie on the scene, but Arcadian Gold is great in my opinion.
 

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Don't trust a newbie on the scene, but Arcadian Gold is great in my opinion.


AG was one of my first favorites from GeJ. I was surprised more people weren't talking about it.

But yeah, I thought it was a variant of the "standard" burley-blended perique with something else adding a sweet characteristic (I'd probably be able to taste what it was at this point, but then it was more like 'hey, I like this one a lot!') to it. Now, I see where that came from.

In regards to NETCom's cigarette-style blends...

I tried Big Spirit in a sampler bottle. Not bad, just not my thing. I've grown to like pipe tobaccos more, so this is understandable.

Well, I tried the French cig lineup Clay has; blasts most offerings out of the water. The Poilu and Gypsy Brunes are a couple of my 'new favorite' juices.

Ya gotta want a strong tobacco presence, but those definitely fit that bill and leave excess change.

Good, good stuff.

...but I still like Bombay and Balkan. Sun-cured Turkish really surprised me and made me think of Bugler RYOs crossed with the smell of a pack of Camel Unfiltered before they were lit. Something along those lines. I've been nursing the sample of S-CT I got, and it surprises me every time. Kinda like Perique does, but in a different kind of way...hard to explain it.
 

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Found out some info from Nick about GeJ's Acadian Gold that I found interesting...

Acadian Gold was their first NET. It contains flue cured gold Virginia and Acadian Perique making it a.... VA/Per blend! Actually, it contains some burley too so it's a VA/Per+1. I've yet to vape it, but I'm certainly looking forward to including it next order!

AG was one of my first favorites from GeJ. I was surprised more people weren't talking about it.

But yeah, I thought it was a variant of the "standard" burley-blended perique with something else adding a sweet characteristic (I'd probably be able to taste what it was at this point, but then it was more like 'hey, I like this one a lot!') to it. Now, I see where that came from.

Well I have a bottle of Acadian Gold that I have not tried yet. I also have a bottle of one of Clay's new custom NETs -- "N-E-T Custom Va/Per Blend". In addition to the Va/Per there is a third tobacco in it that he doesn't mention by name. I was thinking maybe Burley but who knows. I may need to take the Pepsi challenge one of these days.
 

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AG was one of my first favorites from GeJ. I was surprised more people weren't talking about it.

But yeah, I thought it was a variant of the "standard" burley-blended perique with something else adding a sweet characteristic (I'd probably be able to taste what it was at this point, but then it was more like 'hey, I like this one a lot!') to it. Now, I see where that came from.

In regards to NETCom's cigarette-style blends...

I tried Big Spirit in a sampler bottle. Not bad, just not my thing. I've grown to like pipe tobaccos more, so this is understandable.

Well, I tried the French cig lineup Clay has; blasts most offerings out of the water. The Poilu and Gypsy Brunes are a couple of my 'new favorite' juices.

Ya gotta want a strong tobacco presence, but those definitely fit that bill and leave excess change.

Good, good stuff.

...but I still like Bombay and Balkan. Sun-cured Turkish really surprised me and made me think of Bugler RYOs crossed with the smell of a pack of Camel Unfiltered before they were lit. Something along those lines. I've been nursing the sample of S-CT I got, and it surprises me every time. Kinda like Perique does, but in a different kind of way...hard to explain it.

Clay sent me a sample of Gypsy Brunes, I haven't tried it yet--needs a steep. I also got 3 Crown and NS Dark as samples as well, Clay told me over the phone he was going to take care of me due to the delay. He did not disappoint at all. I went with the Black Cavendish, Coventry, Balkan, and Big Spirit as part of my order. I want to dig into them so bad, but won't.

I learned how correct you guys are about steeping these NET's. The Goodejuice order I got 3 weeks ago was ok out of the mailbox, but the difference between now and then is literally night and day.

I'm also finding I am quite fond of Cavendish tobacco. It might be a dumb question, but is this what makes me fond of most pipe tobaccos? I'm trying to cross reference with the tobacco types you all talk about with what I experience when I vape a particular liquid. I am getting the subtle nuances, but still have a lot to learn. The process itself is kind of exciting though, it's totally new vape territory for me.
 

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I'm also finding I am quite fond of Cavendish tobacco. It might be a dumb question, but is this what makes me fond of most pipe tobaccos?

Cavendish tobacco is made from a process of curing, cutting, and often flavoring Virginia or burley tobacco. Many different processes can be involved such as steaming, heating under pressure, casing with sugar and flavors like vanilla, rum, chocolate, etc, fermentation, yadda yadda.

While it's almost only used for pipe tobacco, not all or even most pipe tobaccos have Cavendish in the blend. If the flavor is very sweet or contains strong non-tobacco flavors, there's a good chance Cavendish is involved.
 

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Clay sent me a sample of Gypsy Brunes, I haven't tried it yet--needs a steep. I also got 3 Crown and NS Dark as samples as well, Clay told me over the phone he was going to take care of me due to the delay. He did not disappoint at all. I went with the Black Cavendish, Coventry, Balkan, and Big Spirit as part of my order. I want to dig into them so bad, but won't.

I learned how correct you guys are about steeping these NET's. The Goodejuice order I got 3 weeks ago was ok out of the mailbox, but the difference between now and then is literally night and day.

I'm also finding I am quite fond of Cavendish tobacco. It might be a dumb question, but is this what makes me fond of most pipe tobaccos? I'm trying to cross reference with the tobacco types you all talk about with what I experience when I vape a particular liquid. I am getting the subtle nuances, but still have a lot to learn. The process itself is kind of exciting though, it's totally new vape territory for me.

We may differ when it comes to steeping (I only steep my liquids until I vape them all up :lol:) but it comes down to each individual blend, I've found.

This is why I leaned towards Dover Court over Coventry.....with this order. My previous order had Coventry and I had to fight myself over which I wanted with the next order....settled on Dover Court because of the vanilla Cavendish and the fact a smooth tobacco can really, really help me unwind after a stressful day.

My perfect tobacco would be an amalgamation of Chris' blend, Dover Court, and a random single varietal to focus on- Perique, Virginia, Smoked Latakia, ect.

Gold is a pretty bold but smooth iteration on golden tobaccos, close but not Acadian Gold, YMMV.

I need to refill the Magma. Might just go with some Dover Court this round. :)

(The main reason I flip-flopped over to Dover Court was the vanilla Cavendish. I enjoyed MvJ's Captain Black Royal immensely for this reason. Before steeping, developed into an almost eggnog-y vanilla with a shroud of tobacco, afterwards- smooth, creamy vanilla, with a chocolate-esque topping, very present but very smooth simultaneously. I guess I just decided I wanted that vanilla Cav. :p)

Coventry is a steeper, though, not as much as Vita Bella, I can assure you of that.

Though, I enjoyed it fresh, it could probably improve with age. I saved two or 3 magma's worth from my older order. Might have to give it a shot to see what's changed, but it's mixed at 20mg....and I'm vaping 15...so yeah...probably would 'wind up' the day (anyone who has ever handled juice-coated parts and o-rings knows this feeling) at the end of it.

EDIT: Yeah, Coventry gets even better with age. I've said it before, but....these two liquids supplant Vita Bella for me, easily.
 
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A couple of factors coalesced today that motivated me to change what I've been doing.

First, I've read numerous posts on various threads (including this one) asserting that old-style spaced coils gunk less with NETs than the more recent micro coils many of us have come to rely on. While I can't confirm or deny that, I've seen enough posts claiming that it's true to want to test it for myself.

Second, I have a boat load of bottom-coil clearos that use Kanger EVOD or ProTank heads. Over the past year, I've gotten good at rebuilding them with micro coils wicked with KGD cotton or rayon. Recently, however, I popped for four Aspire Nautilus tanks---two full-size and two minis, and switched them from BDC heads---horizontal dual coils--to the newer BVC heads that use a single hollow vertical coil. The new BVCs are touted as being untouched for flavor and higher-wattage performance. The problem, though, is that the heads are two bucks apiece, don't last long, and are a pain to rebuild.

The Nautilus tanks work beautifully on my new eLeaf iStick, a tiny regulated VV/VW box mod that's very cool---cute as a button, very small, ergonomically nice, vapes from 5-20 watts, and has a big 2200mAh internal 18650, all for $32 shipped. The only downside to the iStick is that the engineers foolishly programmed the chips so that the PWM is calibrated to Vavg rather than Vrms, which means that the iStick runs very hot at low wattage. Basically, none of my many 1.5 ohm EVOD-style clearos work on the iStick. They can't wick fast enough to handle the extra current of the iStick's low-wattage miscalibration. The Nautilus Mini tanks, however, with their hollow vertical coils, are fantastic on the iStick.

I thought, "Hmmm. I wonder if I could rebuild my EVOD/ProTank heads with hollow vertical coils?" A little searching revealed a bunch of threads on ECF about doing that very thing. An hour later, I'd mastered the rebuild technique, and two hours after that, all ten or so of the EVOD-style clearos in my arsenal that are filled with my own homemade DIY NETs were refitted with heads using 1.5-2.2 ohm vertical coils. For convenience, I used pre-built 32ga nichrome spaced coils rated at 2.4 ohms with silica wicks from FastTech (4¢ each) and slid the wicks right off the coils. Rather than wicking through the center of the coil, the wicking material is packed tightly around the vertical coil, whose center remains empty (thus "hollow"). Air flow comes up through the center of the coil, which is kept wetter by both the spaced coil wraps and the greater amount of wicking material packed around the outside. I used rayon rather than cotton, because rayon doesn't expand after saturation.

Faster wicking and a wetter coil reduce the juice's susceptibility to burning, which allows vaping at higher watts, while also providing more vapor and significantly improved flavor---very close to Kayfun/Magma/Origen levels. Compared to regular clearos or even horizontal micro-coiled rebuilds, the draw is airier, which I've come to like after drilling larger air holes on all my bottom-feeder RBAs.

Supposedly, the hollow vertical coil build reduces or at least delays coil crusting and wick gunking, allowing much more vaping time between rebuilds. That's obviously a big deal with macerated NETs. I'm only on Day One with this new approach, so time will tell on that. If it proves true, I won't be doing much dripping of NETs anymore, except for initial testing. So far, the new vertical coil builds are great, which is especially wonderful from clearos that cost a buck and a half each whose heads can be rebuilt for less than a dime.

I was a happy vaper before today, but I'm an even happier vaper now.
 

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billherbst...

Awesome info there bud...

I can imagine only one issue that some may have with that but it wouldn't affect me since I completely rebuild my coils on my heads anyway...

If I understand it correctly... you have to tightly stuff the wicking material you use around the outside of the coil... it could be a bit fiddly to remove that wicking to dry burn afterword. Since I was a little concerned ( without any info to back it up ) about wire fatigue... I've always rebuilt my coils anyway and tossed the old one instead of just rewicking after a dry burn... Still I could see some not liking it which is the only reason I mention it now.
 
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