Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[MikeNice81]

Back on topic again. . .

I'm trying out MVJ's La Perla Habana Black Pearl. It is one of the new more flavor blends. There is definitely more flavor here. You still won't confuse it with net.com. It is a very noticeable difference and one I think most here would appreciate. It doesn't come across as extra extract. It still plays nearly the same on wicks. I'm not sure how she did it, but it is well done.

At nine days the vape has a variety of flavors depending on the delivery system and wattage. I'm getting the flavor of Mexican tobacco and dark Maduro. It comes across as a contrasting dark and sweet tobacco with some barnyard and hay notes. The sweetness occasionally comes across almost honey (no racoon piss) like. There are occasional flashes of wood and spice. It is a complex vape that should really come together with more steeping. I'll hold off on giving it a definitive rating for a while.

 

[AnthonyB]

Vapor Flask released their DNA40 mod this evening on VapeRev. The stock was gone minutes later.

As usual, I was too late to get one this time. But my Temco Ni200 wire is in the mail. Just a matter of time till I catch a DNA40 to go with it.

How much is it retailing for frank? I might a while until fast tech has a clone with an 18650. Surely the nickel wire will flood the market in coming weeks.


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[AnthonyB]

I'm trying to get some info on the safety of dry burning ni200. For us NET vapers, gunk removal can be a big issue. Temp control should allow us to go longer, but how much with NET remains to be seen.

I'm hoping the risk of dry burning nickel wire isn't much greater than with Kanthal. Or better, an alternative way is discovered to remove build up on nickel wire.

That is an interesting point especially given the nickel is no resistance. What happens to that no resistance wire when you take the device out of temperature mode to dry burn it?


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[Jerms]

How much is it retailing for frank? I might a while until fast tech has a clone with an 18650. Surely the nickel wire will flood the market in coming weeks.


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$300 for the Vapor Flask.

The market may struggle for a bit keeping up with the new demand for nickel wire. Someone mentioned on another thread there's a 13+ week wait for 28 & 30ga ni200 already. Brands like Innokin and Kanger will soon be releasing their tank heads with nickel wire.

That is an interesting point especially given the nickel is no resistance. What happens to that no resistance wire when you take the device out of temperature mode to dry burn it?


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Even though vapers have previously referred to ni200 as NR wire, it is technically resistance wire. When cool it's resistance pretty low, and the resistance increases as the temps increase. We'll be able to dry burn, just haven't found out if there's health risks yet. I read evolv recommended not torching or dry burning the wire, but being able to do so is kind of important to many of us here!

One thing's for sure, vapers will dry burn even if told not to, so I'm sure there'll be discussions on the risks soon enough. A couple here will be running the set-up very soon so we'll see how gunk plays in to this.

 

[Kataphraktos]

$300 for the Vapor Flask.

The market may struggle for a bit keeping up with the new demand for nickel wire. Someone mentioned on another thread there's a 13+ week wait for 28 & 30ga ni200 already. Brands like Innokin and Kanger will soon be releasing their tank heads with nickel wire.



Even though vapers have previously referred to ni200 as NR wire, it is technically resistance wire. When cool it's resistance pretty low, and the resistance increases as the temps increase. We'll be able to dry burn, just haven't found out if there's health risks yet. I read evolv recommended not torching or dry burning the wire, but being able to do so is kind of important to many of us here!

One thing's for sure, vapers will dry burn even if told not to, so I'm sure there'll be discussions on the risks soon enough. A couple here will be running the set-up very soon so we'll see how gunk plays in to this.

Apologies for continuing to come back to this, but you have to agree the below testimonial has a lot of potential for NET vapers, considering that gunking is a huge issue for many here.

Here's one beta tester's experience with gunking:

I just posted this in another thread but thought I would share it here. This is my coil/wick after about a week or so of daily vaping on the new board. (~50ml?). The atty is on a squonker and I can tell you that I often forget to squonk. Typically, if I squonk dry, the wick is toast. Here the board automatically throttles down and vapor production diminishes. The temp stays below the char point, so the wick is unaffected. But what I thought was interesting is the minimal build up on the coil and wick. There is slight carmelization on the coil and bleeding into the wick, but no real gunk. On my other builds (non-temp limited) this would be a hot mess.

 

[Jerms]

Apologies for continuing to come back to this, but you have to agree the below testimonial has a lot of potential for NET vapers, considering that gunking is a huge issue for many here.

Here's one beta tester's experience with gunking:

I don't really count on that meaning too much for us here unless that was 50ml of NET used.

I don't know the exact mechanics behind the gunk we experience with NET, but we mostly agree it's probably mainly a combo of tobacco particulates and sugars used in processing tobacco. If the vapor point is cooler than the burning point of the sugar and plant matter, maybe gunk build up can be prevented much longer? Will those tobacco particulates just collect instead of carbonize on the coil, to be harmlessly rinsed off? If that's the case, we're in for a treat. Something is telling me we may not be that lucky though.

 

[boomerdude]

HellOOOooo........... Hmmnn.........I don't ever remember the echo being so loud in this thread. Where'd everyone go? Awww! Did you guy's move the party without telling me again? I swear, this frat house is really startin' to get to me.

 

[johni]

Dang, it sure has been quiet in here. Hey boomer, I've been vaping your Planta ANNO MMX. This German tobacco is really different. The description says it's "aroma of chocolate and Scottish Whiskey" but it has an almost berry-like flavor on the inhale. Interesting flavor!

 

[Dusty_D]

I've been learning how to properly wick a coil with Rayon over on the Rayon thread. Jerms and others are coaching me. I've always wicked frugally, and it starts to show when I up the voltage/wattage. Built a monster coil tonight, and am currently running it at 15W in the newly acquired ErlPrinz.

It will be dedicated to the RBFS juices I have, once I figure out if I've got the wicking down.

 

[boomerdude]

Yes, I got three different blends that were named tobacco of the year. The 2006, 2008 and 2010. All of them were pretty good but like you I got a berry taste. I'm still groovin' with the Pennington Gap. It's in my top 10 ADV's now.

Dang, it sure has been quiet in here. Hey boomer, I've been vaping your Planta ANNO MMX. This German tobacco is really different. The description says it's "aroma of chocolate and Scottish Whiskey" but it has an almost berry-like flavor on the inhale. Interesting flavor!

 

[johni]

Yes, I got three different blends that were named tobacco of the year. The 2006, 2008 and 2010. All of them were pretty good but like you I got a berry taste. I'm still groovin' with the Pennington Gap. It's in my top 10 ADV's now.

I agree with you on your Pennington Gap, it's some good stuff.

 

[Frankenmizer]

I've been learning how to properly wick a coil with Rayon over on the Rayon thread. Jerms and others are coaching me. I've always wicked frugally, and it starts to show when I up the voltage/wattage. Built a monster coil tonight, and am currently running it at 15W in the newly acquired ErlPrinz.

It will be dedicated to the RBFS juices I have, once I figure out if I've got the wicking down.

Is it just me, or does that wick look frightened? Seriously, though, that's a well-crafted wick.

 

[Frankenmizer]

So..

Much to my surprise last weekend, I stumbled my way to the Billet Box site. To my further utter astonishment, I bought the Kurbiskuchen. It came today.
I recognize that cartos and carto mods are ancient technology in the wake of regulated devices, but like vintage cars, this Billet Box is pure elegance in design and execution.

ObNETaddendum: You can bet your backside my first tankful in the orange-and-black BB will be a NETcom.

From the hiss and crackle of the golden age of wireless,

Frankenmizer

 

[billherbst]

OK, all you VA-Per blends, move over---there’s a new kid in town.

Cornell & Diehl Poplar Camp is a fine example of the Virginia/Perique genre. From the description: "Bright and red Virginias are toasted to develop more depth and a more caramelized type of sweetness, and the Perique brings some zip to the proceedings."

I extracted this blend in September in a heat-assisted maceration using 40PG/60VG solvent, filtered to 2.5 microns, and after three weeks of steeping, the extract is coming around quite nicely. I doubt that it’s hit its stride yet, so I look forward to seeing how it will develop after another month or two.

I’m vaping Poplar Camp mixed at 12mg nic in a 50/50 PG/VG blend using an Aspire 1.8 ohm BVC Clearomizer powered by an Innokin iTaste v3 set to 9 watts. Man, those BVC coils are great! I tried Poplar Camp initially in a PMMA Kayfun Lite with a 1.6 ohm 28 ga. microcoil and rayon wick on a kicked Nemesis at 11 watts, and the Aspire BVC clearo holds its own nicely. Those new BVC Aspire coils are pricey and not rebuildable, but they sure are good. I’d give the flavor nod to the Kayfun, although not by much, but the Kayfun was leaking out the airhole (which I really abhor), so I swapped it out for the Aspire BVC clearo. I’m willing to put up with the sacrifice of a slightly tighter draw and a tad less flavor with the Aspire to avoid having to vape the Kayfun with a mod in one hand and a kleenex in the other. And yes, I know all the user-recommended ways of filling a Kayfun to prevent leaking; I’ve tried them all, but my Kayfuns are still hit-or-miss about leaking. Sometimes they’re OK, with correct vacuum balance, but sometimes not…

Poplar Camp is less caramelly with more tobacco bite and spiciness than something more obviously caramel, such as Caramel Wild Wood, but the toasted Virginias are a bit sweeter and more caramelly than many of its VA-Per brethren, i.e., H&H Louisiana Red or Anniversary Kake. I guess I’d say that its closest cousin is probably Johni’s Missouri Meerschaum Country Gentleman. Poplar Camp is similar in profile but not quite as sweet, with a little more tobacco punch. To my palate, Poplar Camp also has a higher percentage of Perique than Country Gentleman, at least to my palate.

I haven’t vaped a bad Virginia-Perique blend yet. The five-or-so VA-Pers I’ve had (all from homemade extracts) are solid, tasty NETs, far and away my preferred way to vape Perique.

C&D Poplar Camp is darned good. I like it.

 

[Jerms]

OK, all you VA-Per blends, move over---there’s a new kid in town.

Cornell & Diehl Poplar Camp is a fine example of the Virginia/Perique genre. From the description: "Bright and red Virginias are toasted to develop more depth and a more caramelized type of sweetness, and the Perique brings some zip to the proceedings."

I extracted this blend in September in a heat-assisted maceration using 40PG/60VG solvent, filtered to 2.5 microns, and after three weeks of steeping, the extract is coming around quite nicely. I doubt that it’s hit its stride yet, so I look forward to seeing how it will develop after another month or two.

I’m vaping Poplar Camp mixed at 12mg nic in a 50/50 PG/VG blend using an Aspire 1.8 ohm BVC Clearomizer powered by an Innokin iTaste v3 set to 9 watts. Man, those BVC coils are great! I tried Poplar Camp initially in a PMMA Kayfun Lite with a 1.6 ohm 28 ga. microcoil and rayon wick on a kicked Nemesis at 11 watts, and the Aspire BVC clearo holds its own nicely. Those new BVC Aspire coils are pricey and not rebuildable, but they sure are good. I’d give the flavor nod to the Kayfun, although not by much, but the Kayfun was leaking out the airhole (which I really abhor), so I swapped it out for the Aspire BVC clearo. I’m willing to put up with the sacrifice of a slightly tighter draw and a tad less flavor with the Aspire to avoid having to vape the Kayfun with a mod in one hand and a kleenex in the other. And yes, I know all the user-recommended ways of filling a Kayfun to prevent leaking; I’ve tried them all, but my Kayfuns are still hit-or-miss about leaking. Sometimes they’re OK, with correct vacuum balance, but sometimes not…

Poplar Camp is less caramelly with more tobacco bite and spiciness than something more obviously caramel, such as Caramel Wild Wood, but the toasted Virginias are a bit sweeter and more caramelly than many of its VA-Per brethren, i.e., H&H Louisiana Red or Anniversary Kake. I guess I’d say that its closest cousin is probably Johni’s Missouri Meerschaum Country Gentleman. Poplar Camp is similar in profile but not quite as sweet, with a little more tobacco punch. To my palate, Poplar Camp also has a higher percentage of Perique than Country Gentleman, at least to my palate.

I haven’t vaped a bad Virginia-Perique blend yet. The five-or-so VA-Pers I’ve had (all from homemade extracts) are solid, tasty NETs, far and away my preferred way to vape Perique.

C&D Poplar Camp is darned good. I like it.

Bill, have you tried Acadian Gold from GeJ? It's a VA/Per blend with Golden Virginias and Acadian Perique. I'm assuming it's not a commercial blend, instead blended by Nick's tobacconist. If you haven't tried it yet I plan on picking up a 30ml (probably several months from now) and I can send you some, maybe as a trade for Poplar Camp. I would straight up ask you for some now lol, but I'm juice full including 2 VA/Per+1s from John.

Also, you mentioned you were going to try a spaced coil, have you gotten to that yet? I'm quite sold on it. Here's a pic of a couple day old Magma that has had many bowlfuls of John's Centenary, RB St. James, and RTE Classic English. I'm now vaping Porch Rocker in it and still going strong.

 

[Jerms]

I hate to say it, but I think I'm ready for 6mg nic. The reason I'm not too thrilled about that is because I have dozens of bottles of 12mg juices. I have everything dialed in; rayon at perfect density with trimmed wicks that really flows juice to the coil, drippers that produce thick vaper, especially the Magma; my nic delivery is getting too efficient lol. I just can't vape as much as I prefer before heart starts beatin too fast.

Tonight I grabbed some 6ml to load in my IGO-L since the Magma has just been too much. It's the only lower nic juice I have, this mango jobber from Notsomini. I have TH to spare, so switching will be no problem, especially since I'll be going regulated with the DNA40 for more power control.

I'd switch to 6mg right now if I didn't have so much juice. Maybe when I get a DNA40 mod I'll start buying 6mg and vape the higher stuff during the day.

 

[sandman97289]

OK, all you VA-Per blends, move over---there’s a new kid in town.

And yes, I know all the user-recommended ways of filling a Kayfun to prevent leaking; I’ve tried them all, but my Kayfuns are still hit-or-miss about leaking. Sometimes they’re OK, with correct vacuum balance, but sometimes not…

Hey Bill, I know you must have tried everything you could but if I may make another suggestion. I've used Kayfuns for a pretty long time now and have found that if the coil or legs of the coil is too low or if the wick touches the air hole it leaks. I usually keep the coil raised 1-2 mm off the air hole and keep it at a slant. This way I can wick in an S shape, the legs of the wick go along the two sides of the base forming an S.

 

[sandman97289]

I hate to say it, but I think I'm ready for 6mg nic. The reason I'm not too thrilled about that is because I have dozens of bottles of 12mg juices. I have everything dialed in; rayon at perfect density with trimmed wicks that really flows juice to the coil, drippers that produce thick vaper, especially the Magma; my nic delivery is getting too efficient lol. I just can't vape as much as I prefer before heart starts beatin too fast.

Tonight I grabbed some 6ml to load in my IGO-L since the Magma has just been too much. It's the only lower nic juice I have, this mango jobber from Notsomini. I have TH to spare, so switching will be no problem, especially since I'll be going regulated with the DNA40 for more power control.

I'd switch to 6mg right now if I didn't have so much juice. Maybe when I get a DNA40 mod I'll start buying 6mg and vape the higher stuff during the day.

I feel you bro. I usually buy 6mg for my tanks but I can only drip 3mg. I usually mix my NETs around 3mg and only MVJ gives me that option unfortunately.

 

[sandman97289]

I've been learning how to properly wick a coil with Rayon over on the Rayon thread. Jerms and others are coaching me. I've always wicked frugally, and it starts to show when I up the voltage/wattage. Built a monster coil tonight, and am currently running it at 15W in the newly acquired ErlPrinz.

It will be dedicated to the RBFS juices I have, once I figure out if I've got the wicking down.

Love your coil. Is that 26awg?

 

[billherbst]

Bill, have you tried Acadian Gold from GeJ? It's a VA/Per blend with Golden Virginias and Acadian Perique. I'm assuming it's not a commercial blend, instead blended by Nick's tobacconist. If you haven't tried it yet I plan on picking up a 30ml (probably several months from now) and I can send you some, maybe as a trade for Poplar Camp. I would straight up ask you for some now lol, but I'm juice full including 2 VA/Per+1s from John.

Acadian Gold is one of the few NETs from GeJ that I haven't had. Yes, I'd be happy to trade you some Poplar Camp for a sample of Acadian Gold, however far down the road that may be.

Also, you mentioned you were going to try a spaced coil, have you gotten to that yet? I'm quite sold on it. Here's a pic of a couple day old Magma that has had many bowlfuls of John's Centenary, RB St. James, and RTE Classic English. I'm now vaping Porch Rocker in it and still going strong.

I've been experimenting with vertical coils in Kanger heads recently and using spaced coils for those. Results have been mixed---brilliant when the builds are successful, but a complete waste of time and trouble when they're not. That's not the fault of the coils, but of my builds. Rebuilding Kanger heads with horizontal coils is easy. The verticals, however, are challenging and difficult.