Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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80 to 120 ml, usually around 90 ml. I don't recommend extracting raw tobacco as results have been less than flavorful. Stick to pipe tobacco, good RYO tobacco, or cigars.

I agree with you on the pipe tobacco extracts Johni, but one has to be very careful with the aromatic pipe tobaccos as some do not translate well.
As far as cigars....let's just say I have yet to vape a "like" as far as I'm concerned.
MVJ may be a try for me when Diane recuperates, as far as cigars and her "new" extracting method. I do love her vapes more now these days than Clays, IMHO.
Here's wishing her a speedy recovery!!
 

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Makes sense to me, too.

The change could be simple. Just move the Ahlusion listing to the bottom of the Vendor portion of the List under a new heading of "Honorable Mention," and change the current explanatory text to "Ahlusion (Ahl or A+) – longstanding A-List Vendor that no longer sells retail NETs online."


List has been updated.
 

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I agree with you on the pipe tobacco extracts Johni, but one has to be very careful with the aromatic pipe tobaccos as some do not translate well.
As far as cigars....let's just say I have yet to vape a "like" as far as I'm concerned.
MVJ may be a try for me when Diane recuperates, as far as cigars and her "new" extracting method. I do love her vapes more now these days than Clays, IMHO.
Here's wishing her a speedy recovery!!
Having extracted a number of aromatic pipe tobaccos, I must agree they really don't translate as well as non-aros.
 

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Having extracted a number of aromatic pipe tobaccos, I must agree they really don't translate as well as non-aros.
You may be surprised how well some of your aromatics come around after several months. They tend to ease back on the sweetness and gain complexity of flavor and tobacco impact as they age. There was a couple I had from Bill's earlier batches that were a little meh, but after some time passed became quite lovely.

I'm vaping John's Honey Smoke this morning, a fully aromatic coconut cavendish, which is only getting tastier as it ages.
 

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I don't find any categorical difference in vaping tastiness and authenticity among the three standard divisions of pipe blends---Aromatic, Non-Aromatic, and English. I've had good luck and not-so-good luck with extractions from each genre. For example, my extractions of Cornell & Diehl Autumn Evening and Hearth & Home Burley Kake are wonderful Aromatics to my palate.

What I do notice, whether with pipe blends, cigars, or cigarette/RYO tobaccos, is that vaping tobacco extracts is a fundamentally different experience than smoking tobacco. The flavors may be in the same ballpark, but the sensations that surround the flavors and contribute to the overall experience are completely separate. Each method provides elements that the other lacks. This is the case with all three types, but is most obvious with cigars. Smoking cigars is a very direct, high-impact experience, almost blunt in its intensity, while vaping cigar extracts gives a more abstracted experience, emphasizing refinement and nuance. Smoking cigars strikes me as more satisfying than vaping them. I feel the opposite about pipe blends and cig/RYO tobaccos, however---vaping those provides a better overall experience for me than smoking ever did.
 
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I have found that cigar extracts taste a lot better by using the whole cigar and adjusting the amount of PG ( or whatever solvent your using. ) used to the weight of the cigar. In other words; If you use an 1/2 ounce cigar, add 40 mls of solvent. The higher the liquid rises above the tobacco in the container, the longer it should steep.



As far as cigars....let's just say I have yet to vape a "like" as far as I'm concerned.
 

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You may be surprised how well some of your aromatics come around after several months. They tend to ease back on the sweetness and gain complexity of flavor and tobacco impact as they age. There was a couple I had from Bill's earlier batches that were a little meh, but after some time passed became quite lovely.

I'm vaping John's Honey Smoke this morning, a fully aromatic coconut cavendish, which is only getting tastier as it ages.
I LOVE johni's Honey Smoke. I think I am going to extract some myself! I did some Louisiana Red with all the raves about it and it has become one of my faves too.
 
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Finally got my Vamo V6 to work so I decided to finish a net I've been working on> On of my favorite commercial nets is vaperites's madagascar vanilla tobacco. Iwasn't trying to duplicate it but I wanted a home made net in case of a flavor ban. I made this net with newminster #6 vanilla delight which is a cavendish. And let me tell you with a KLF the flavor is outstanding, a real winner in its own way. Much more tobacco flavor than the vaporite but not as much of that zingy vanillla flavor. Anyway I am happy with the results and would recomend this #6 to anyone.
 

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I have a q for all y'all.

Dr. Farsalinos made a comment about dry burning probably being harmful. I asked him if he could further explain that comment, and hope he responds.

In the meantime, my question for you all, if it turns out that dry burning our coils actually creates a fairly large health risk, will you stop doing it? If you do, are you willing to continue vaping NETs while rebuilding almost daily?
 

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I have a q for all y'all.

Dr. Farsalinos made a comment about dry burning probably being harmful. I asked him if he could further explain that comment, and hope he responds.

In the meantime, my question for you all, if it turns out that dry burning our coils actually creates a fairly large health risk, will you stop doing it? If you do, are you willing to continue vaping NETs while rebuilding almost daily?

do you have a link to that comment by any chance ? What happens to the kanthaI ? I mean, we aren't inhaling the vapor from the dry burn, so is the implication that the composition of kanthal is changed for the worst after a dry burn ? I usually wash and dry my base after dry burning, to be more cautious anyway.
 

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do you have a link to that comment by any chance ? What happens to the kanthaI ? I mean, we aren't inhaling the vapor from the dry burn, so is the implication that the composition of kanthal is changed for the worst after a dry burn ? I usually wash and dry my base after dry burning, to be more cautious anyway.
Others have claimed it's because of the oxides created. I'm really hoping Dr. F. goes into why he thinks it's harmful. Here's a link to my reply that shows his comment..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=14400690
 

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Others have claimed it's because of the oxides created. I'm really hoping Dr. F. goes into why he thinks it's harmful. Here's a link to my reply that shows his comment..

Official DNA 40 introduction - Page 45

thank you. I will be reading the entire thread you linked me too. I am seriously considering buying a vaporshark dna 40. This is the first new device i have been truly excited about in my vaping journey. Power regulation, better wicking material, air flow control, new coiling methods etc ... have all been good little steps toward controlling temperature which is the real key in getting a flavorful and safe vape, but this truly has the potential to be a significant leap toward that ultimate goal. Ultimately there will be a heating method without the use of resistance coils, but i doubt we will get there any time soon. We need some certainty re fda regulations, and then the real big boys of industry will put their talent and technology at work.

And to answer your original question, yeah absolutely i am willing to re-coil after every tankful, if it reduces potential health risks.
 
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I always wondered why no ones come up with a mod that's built around a piezoelectric transducer. Probably not cost effective. For those who don't know a pz transducer can be used to turn liquid into a very fine mist. Finer than what we get from coils. Then again it might be too energy inefficient.
 

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OK, is my understanding correct that Ahlusion never sold any natural tobacco retail eliquids, whether using extract that was produced in-house or extract that was out-sourced?

If that's correct, then I vote to have Dusty remove Ahlusion from the Vendor List in post #1 of the thread. Nothing needs to be explained or footnoted. Ahlusion should just vanish from the List.

If that's not correct, would someone please explain in a way that even I can understand?


Seconded if not already. Ahlusion should come off the list.
 

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I always wondered why no ones come up with a mod that's built around a piezoelectric transducer. Probably not cost effective. For those who don't know a pz transducer can be used to turn liquid into a very fine mist. Finer than what we get from coils. Then again it might be too energy inefficient.

I've never heard of one used for liquid. I always used them for guitar and piano recording. I would be interested in hearing that theory.
 

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I have a q for all y'all.

Dr. Farsalinos made a comment about dry burning probably being harmful. I asked him if he could further explain that comment, and hope he responds.

In the meantime, my question for you all, if it turns out that dry burning our coils actually creates a fairly large health risk, will you stop doing it? If you do, are you willing to continue vaping NETs while rebuilding almost daily?

I scrub my coil down with isopropyl after a dry burn. What's left is a like-new coil, shiny like when I first wrapped it. I never leave any residue on the wire, and I also swab the whole interior of the atty, including inside the top cap.
 

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Some aromatic tobaccos make a flavorful vape and some do not. If you read reviews of aromatic tobaccos, the smoking experience is similar with wide divergence in star ratings on most. Some love them, others hate. To the list of enjoyable home extracted aromatics, I would add Bill's Sunset Rum and my French Vanilla both from Milan Tobacconiststs and my Missouri Meerschaum Great Dane.
 
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    Net or not,I really liked Ahlusions Smooth Criminal until they changed it. I've tried a NET from MOV which is not to my taste. Too woodsy for lack of a better description.Tried 4 from hhv,all way too sweet. I've tried several from MVJ. The cigars I find bland and really not to my taste anyway. I have failed to find a pipe I care to vape for more than a few minutes. I have concluded that I'm going back to a couple old favs from VapeRite.
     

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    Net or not,I really liked Ahlusions Smooth Criminal until they changed it. I've tried a NET from MOV which is not to my taste. Too woodsy for lack of a better description.Tried 4 from hhv,all way too sweet. I've tried several from MVJ. The cigars I find bland and really not to my taste anyway. I have failed to find a pipe I care to vape for more than a few minutes. I have concluded that I'm going back to a couple old favs from VapeRite.


    Oh Fran! Sorry we could not help you find something you liked. :(
     
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