Im doing 100% vg on 3 i just started tonight. Freezer for 2 hours until it gels then transfer out for heat assisted or room temp maceration
Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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Cold contracts, heat expands. I don't see what or how cold would breakdown the cell walls. How does that work? Heat, under high pressure perhaps, but cold? Freezing causes crystallization and the different molecules will react and separate according to their atomic structure. Once this happens you're up the creek without a paddle.
To my mind and according to research I have done; high heat ( over 150F ) will release flavor molecules into steam or moisture escaping the heated container. It will form on the underside of the container cover and cannot be re-absorbed causing a reduction in flavor. The best way to get the most out of an home extract is TIME. Let it sit at room temperature in the dark. Warming the stew, not over 150F, helps it along but the heat need not be applied for more than an half hour. All those molecules buzzing around mix and match nicely. Freezing? I would like to hear the reasoning behind that idea.
To my mind and according to research I have done; high heat ( over 150F ) will release flavor molecules into steam or moisture escaping the heated container. It will form on the underside of the container cover and cannot be re-absorbed causing a reduction in flavor. The best way to get the most out of an home extract is TIME. Let it sit at room temperature in the dark. Warming the stew, not over 150F, helps it along but the heat need not be applied for more than an half hour. All those molecules buzzing around mix and match nicely. Freezing? I would like to hear the reasoning behind that idea.
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The ice crystals swell the walls and then thawing contracts the walls, making them break. Go read up on it.
Let the oils and such get pushed out of the plants tissues by the freezing (expanding) water. Then they're free to mix with all casings and sweetwners already present (pipe tobaccos) , the consensus is definitely on the time end though thats why i only have 3 that were frozen vg (they were supposed to finish out the pure grain alcohol run but i didnt want to go to the store for more everclear) . Let me jump on my desktop and throwdown the notes on what ive started so far
Nope. Freezing isn't going to do that. I look forward to your notes, especially the attributions.
The casings and sweeteners were injected into the leaves by pressure. A solvent, PG, VG, PGA will leech them out. Crystallization will only break them down and separate them.
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quick and dirty writeup...
The tobaccos used with description when available
1.Prescott valley vanilla- burley and virginia with black cavendish
2.Imported whiskey - import + domestic +scottish whiskey
3.black cavendish - steam sweetend and fire cured burleys with a hint of chocoalte and
vanilla
4.baja blend - burley and virginia with green river black
5.Tucson blend - sweet blackened leaf with lemon virginias and creamy vanilla, malt
dressing and a subtle and sweet rum note
6.mellow- mellow
7.black and gold - black and gold
8.vanilla- vanilla*
9.captain black - captain black
10.Amsterdam blend - roll your own cigarette tobacco
11."Netherlands" blend - roll your own cigarette tobacco
below I will refer to the pipe blends by the lettering of the names and the cigarette
tobacco as simply RYO 1 and 2
*I forgot to buy the second batch of vanilla so only had one ounce, hence the vanilla will
only be used in a slow room temperature maceration.
The supplies :
All jars are 8 oz canning jars and each contains one ounce of tobacco to begin. The
tobaccos were kept in a freezer before use for many days.
A1 series- 150ml PG to saturate. Room temperature maceration (why reinvent the wheel?)
B1 series- 150 cc everclear 190 proof which had been chilled in my freezer before use,
Tobacco in this series includes CB, PVV, BC, M and BB .These were capped and placed for 6
hours in a freezer removed , filterd with aeropress (just experimenting, no reason to
break out the vacuum filter just yet) and left open and sitting with a fan on them in
front of an open window (per user : Lastlokeans method) . They will be left for 24 hours
until a syrup forms.
Upon retrieving this from the freezer and putting it into the aeropress I noticed the
tobacco felt "crisp" and "dry" , almost like I'd hit it with liquid nitrogen! , total
liquid about 125cc per jar (from the original 150cc used) , questionable as to how much
liquid I will be able to dry off.
B2 series - 100% vg , put in freezer, 150cc, TB, IW, BG - checked on after 2 hours
vegetable glycerin is gelatinous, removed from freezer and placed with A1 series for time
maceration at room temperature. This was an accidental addition as I did not want to leave
to go get more everclear.
c1 series - 50/50 pg vg including 2 ryo , 24 hour slow cooker. Series Includes all
tobaccos including RYO , purchased a slow cooker but having trouble lowering temperature
below 180f
Horrible mistake : I made a jar that was a mix of all the blends minus the RYO , it
weighed 14 grams, this I mized with 100 cc 50/50 pg/vg and microwaved and then immedaitely
filterd and extracted. I took 1cc and mixed in with 9 cc of 50/50 pg/vg. It
tastes...tobaccoish on inhale and...just bad on exhale. I have dubbed it "frankensteins
afterbirth" to commemorate its birthday on halloween. I have decided not to get rid of the
100ml or so of concentrate I have, perhaps it will get better with time.
Thoughts : I'm not hopeful about the pure VG but very curious to see how the PGA mix turns
out, I'm curious as to wether or not one could add pg / vg in equal parts with the pga to
begin with for added flavor effect. I'll be leaching from each batch, filtering and bottling at different times to try and ascertain wether or not the mash needs x amount of time unfilterd (leaves and solvent) or if it could all just be filterd after a week or two and steeped normally for the rest of the time for the same effect . The author has purchased far too many mason jars.
The PGA extract
Closeup comparing the black cavendish (the lighter one, which looked completely black in tobacco blend form) , with the captain black on the right (much darker)
Frankensteins Afterbirth
setting up
The tobaccos used with description when available
1.Prescott valley vanilla- burley and virginia with black cavendish
2.Imported whiskey - import + domestic +scottish whiskey
3.black cavendish - steam sweetend and fire cured burleys with a hint of chocoalte and
vanilla
4.baja blend - burley and virginia with green river black
5.Tucson blend - sweet blackened leaf with lemon virginias and creamy vanilla, malt
dressing and a subtle and sweet rum note
6.mellow- mellow
7.black and gold - black and gold
8.vanilla- vanilla*
9.captain black - captain black
10.Amsterdam blend - roll your own cigarette tobacco
11."Netherlands" blend - roll your own cigarette tobacco
below I will refer to the pipe blends by the lettering of the names and the cigarette
tobacco as simply RYO 1 and 2
*I forgot to buy the second batch of vanilla so only had one ounce, hence the vanilla will
only be used in a slow room temperature maceration.
The supplies :
All jars are 8 oz canning jars and each contains one ounce of tobacco to begin. The
tobaccos were kept in a freezer before use for many days.
A1 series- 150ml PG to saturate. Room temperature maceration (why reinvent the wheel?)
B1 series- 150 cc everclear 190 proof which had been chilled in my freezer before use,
Tobacco in this series includes CB, PVV, BC, M and BB .These were capped and placed for 6
hours in a freezer removed , filterd with aeropress (just experimenting, no reason to
break out the vacuum filter just yet) and left open and sitting with a fan on them in
front of an open window (per user : Lastlokeans method) . They will be left for 24 hours
until a syrup forms.
Upon retrieving this from the freezer and putting it into the aeropress I noticed the
tobacco felt "crisp" and "dry" , almost like I'd hit it with liquid nitrogen! , total
liquid about 125cc per jar (from the original 150cc used) , questionable as to how much
liquid I will be able to dry off.
B2 series - 100% vg , put in freezer, 150cc, TB, IW, BG - checked on after 2 hours
vegetable glycerin is gelatinous, removed from freezer and placed with A1 series for time
maceration at room temperature. This was an accidental addition as I did not want to leave
to go get more everclear.
c1 series - 50/50 pg vg including 2 ryo , 24 hour slow cooker. Series Includes all
tobaccos including RYO , purchased a slow cooker but having trouble lowering temperature
below 180f
Horrible mistake : I made a jar that was a mix of all the blends minus the RYO , it
weighed 14 grams, this I mized with 100 cc 50/50 pg/vg and microwaved and then immedaitely
filterd and extracted. I took 1cc and mixed in with 9 cc of 50/50 pg/vg. It
tastes...tobaccoish on inhale and...just bad on exhale. I have dubbed it "frankensteins
afterbirth" to commemorate its birthday on halloween. I have decided not to get rid of the
100ml or so of concentrate I have, perhaps it will get better with time.
Thoughts : I'm not hopeful about the pure VG but very curious to see how the PGA mix turns
out, I'm curious as to wether or not one could add pg / vg in equal parts with the pga to
begin with for added flavor effect. I'll be leaching from each batch, filtering and bottling at different times to try and ascertain wether or not the mash needs x amount of time unfilterd (leaves and solvent) or if it could all just be filterd after a week or two and steeped normally for the rest of the time for the same effect . The author has purchased far too many mason jars.
The PGA extract Closeup comparing the black cavendish (the lighter one, which looked completely black in tobacco blend form) , with the captain black on the right (much darker) Frankensteins Afterbirthsetting up
For purposes of clarification and accuracy, here's a link to a page with everything you ever wanted to know about tobacco casing syrups and top dressings:
Tobacco Casings and Toppings
Tobacco Casings and Toppings
Tele,
I think most of us here who have vaped GeJ Patriot regard it as very much its own creature, and not similar to any other retail NET.
I doubt it; as Bill says Patriot is pretty unique. MVJ uses commercially available pipe blends while GeJ works with a tobacconist to create blends specifically for extracting to make a NET. Not saying there isn't a commercial pipe tobacco that's similar in flavor to Patriot when extracted; if there is and one of the home extractors finds it, it would be big news here!
Hey Bill
I can honestly see that. It's the finest juice of any flavor I've tried. GeJ tapped into the magical with that one.
Thanks man!
In case you missed it, MVJ has new cigar blends from Diesel, Gurkha, Man O' War, and Rockey Patel.
Don't usually give a shout out to a juice, but Net.com's Fresh Ground Mocha Cafe hits all the right notes with me. It's a Cavendish/Virginia blend cased and dressed with coffee and "enhanced by dark chocolate" whatever that means. So refreshing to get a good coffee flavor without cream and sweeteners. It has plenty of tobacco impact as well. I think it's just brilliant !
Off topic..
We were speaking of "premium" juice brands the other day. Well, have a few bottles of Suicide Bunny coming from this awesome 52% off sale at www.ecig.com.
About $10 per 30ml bottle, worth a try and a chance for me to get more 6mg juices. The only flavor I've heard of is Mother's Milk. I have QnJ clone of it called Klone and I like it. Also got The O.B. and Claim Your Throne. Picked up another 18350 for less than $3 (limit 1).
Some cool stuff for dirt cheap but selections getting smaller as they sell out. Check it out!
Edit, free shipping too
We were speaking of "premium" juice brands the other day. Well, have a few bottles of Suicide Bunny coming from this awesome 52% off sale at www.ecig.com.
About $10 per 30ml bottle, worth a try and a chance for me to get more 6mg juices. The only flavor I've heard of is Mother's Milk. I have QnJ clone of it called Klone and I like it. Also got The O.B. and Claim Your Throne. Picked up another 18350 for less than $3 (limit 1).
Some cool stuff for dirt cheap but selections getting smaller as they sell out. Check it out!
Edit, free shipping too
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... and to think... I had thought I was done buying stuff this weekend...
Got a Aerotank II, Aerotank Mini and two 5 packs of coils ( 1.5 and 1.8Ω ) as well as another 5pk of Evod/Protank coil/heads.
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