Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[AnthonyB]

lol, I guess this is the meaning of 'taste is subjective'. First of all I don't think he has changed the liquids from what you have, they are the thickest gunk-producing juices I have ever encountered. I vape them on drippers with cotton, seems like most on the FB group do the same, and just got used to burning and rewicking a few times a day. There are some tricks, like wrapping wider diameter and spacing out the coils, but basically yeah, these liquids are rough on the atty. In general best results at .6-,8 ohm in a flavor atty like the Veritas or Magma. Some ppl use Walker's on genesis w/ mesh, which I am planning to try.

As for taste, to tell the truth, I was also baffled at first. I ordered from him after watching ZVaper's review and then seeing what a fan club he had on FB. When I first tried one (in a Trident v1) I asked myself what I was missing, I felt I couldn't really taste much. After a few mls though my taste buds adjusted and I was sold. The flavors come out subtle and organic, there is almost never one note that overpowers the others, it's just very earthy and real, well-balanced, and lets good tobacco speak for itself without anything else mucking around with it. Some of the cigars are on the lighter side, and I can see how one could describe Ten Blend (a pipe blend) as muddled, but in my experience a tweak in the setup makes a big difference. I don't want to come off as a fanboy, I just haven't found any other liquids that I like nearly as much, and that is definitely not meant as a knock on other NETs, which I do also vape and enjoy. On the other hand, he more or less ruined synthetics for me - custards are just about the only synthetics that I still vape regularly.

So out of curiosity, which of his liquids do you have and what did you try them on?

Jerms

Kens suggestion is to use SS mech wicks for ease of dry burning which will need to be done regularly.

I don't rely on Kens advice because, I dare say ( no offence intended, just making an observation) he is addressing a generally inexperienced clientele base when it comes to NETs. Most of his clientele is made up of people who usually vape synthetics but discovered NETs for the first time at Walkers and rely on the vendors advice for vaping method and preferred coil make up.

I rely on my long experience with NETs and the things I've learnt on this thread,

The best way to vape Walkers liquids goes back to basics which we all know. That is, treat it like an extract, not a finished product.

I mix it at 25% with PG. That equates to the finished product being 75% PG and 25% Vg. The PG brings out the flavour of the juice . At 25% it is as flavorsome as any NET on the market.

At 25-30% mixed I equate the gunk factor as being less than W2V but perhaps more than a medium level gunker such as NET.com or GEJ.

I equate the extract to be as gunky as Boomers extracts and you would never vape Boomers extracts as they are would you, nor any extract for that matter.



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[billherbst]

Bill, I like how you describe the sweet flavors of KillRY4 being soft and expansive in a way similar to caramel-vanilla. I agree, and that's how the juice somehow feels like RY4 while lacking obvious caramel and vanilla notes. Unlike Gold Rising from Ahl that calls itself RY4 but gets it's sweetness purely from a tangy honey flavor that's not at all reminiscent to an RY4.

Some of the RY4s I've had in the 'classic' genre don't have obvious caramel and vanilla notes since the way those flavors plus the tobacco combine creates a unified flavor of sweet artibacco, a phenomenon you've often described. But if I look close for them, the caramel and vanilla are found. KillRY4 offers the same style of sweetness, but when I look for caramel and vanilla I don't find them. Instead it brings to mind things such as pastry, cake with icing, cotton candy, and other sweetly delicious desserts.

The way the sweet flavors sort of mimic the sweetness in classic RY4s, I can accept the maker categorizing it as RY4. It's actually impressive to me how close it is while lacking 2 out 3 ingredients in the holy trinity. Personally though, if I'm craving an RY4 it doesn't scratch that itch for me like the Volt and GeJ versions I have on hand do. When I want dessert though, which has been often lately, KillRY4 is certainly killer!

Yowsa. You nailed it.

 

[scarf-ace]

Cool, I look forward to your impressions. Wonder if they do the extractions themselves and what method is used. Do they taste like macerations? I'm not sure if there's a way to make a nic free product using the maceration techniques we're familiar with. Does the product need to be lab tested as nic free to sell in Australia?

1. I don't know, and I don't know. Whaddaya think I am, Mr Mann or something?
2. Yes.
3. Probably not 100% nic-free, but close enough.
4. I don't know, but I doubt it.

You know that "atty refresher" that W2V sells? Well, Paris could be used as atty refresher in between vapes of WalkerT.

It's been ages since I vaped through that 5ml sample of Paris, but man that stuff was just loathsome. CannedWolf (does he still post here?) sent me tiny bottles of all the w2v Premiums or whatever they are called. The only one that I could stand for more than a few puffs was London. And all of them were total hell on coils.

 

[Jerms]

Jerms

Kens suggestion is to use SS mech wicks for ease of dry burning which will need to be done regularly.

I don't rely on Kens advice because he is addressing a generally inexperienced audience when it comes to NETs. Most of his clientele is made up of people who usually vape synthetics but discovered NETs for the first time at Walkers and rely on the vendors advice for vaping method and preferred coil make up.

I rely on my long experience with NETs and the things I've learnt on this thread,

The best way to vape Walkeds liquids goes back to basics which we all know. That is, treat it like an extract, not a finished product.

I mix it at 25% with PG. That equates to the finished product being 75% PG and 25% Vg. The PG brings out the flavour of the juice . At 25% it is as flavorsome as any NET on the market.

At 25-30% mixed I equate the gunk factor as being less than W2V but perhaps more than a medium level gunker such as NET.com or GEJ.




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I don't DIY, so still not a product for me. I saw the pipe blends on the site contain pg; 30% if I remember right. Wonder if that's added after or if it's part of the base extraction. It just doesn't seem enjoyable to me vaping pure extract, but I guess there's a market for it.

Actually, are you sure it's just pure extract? At the minimum it has to be diluted some when adding the nic that's offered at different levels.

 

[scarf-ace]

It occurs to me that I promised a review of HoL's Minotaur but never posted it. Short version:

If you ever vaped House of Liquid's Cigarillos and thought to yourself

You know this is a first-rate cigar-like NET with a pronounced nutty, almost 555-like finish, and I'd love it to bits, but it's just not...red enough

then you'll love Minotaur.
Funny thing is the concentrated doubler is indeed dyed a lurid red ("like the bull's blood", the website proclaims hilariously) but once diluted it turns a rather girly shade of pretty pink. So if you're one of those attention-seeking vapers who wants people to notice the color of the juice in your tank, I'd spring for the original Euro version which is probably dyed properly to look like blood. Otherwise, you could probably put a toothpick-end's-worth of red food coloring in a bottle of Cigarillos to achieve a similar effect if you are so motivated.

Taste difference...it's SLIGHTLY less acidic than the original Cigarillos bit still has the same (from memory) potent tang. I'll come back with a side-by-side comparison.

 

[Jerms]

3. Probably not 100% nic-free, but close enough.

But, but, but.. if it's not nic-free won't the Aussie police come riding in their 'roos and boomerang them to death?

Can you post the link again please so Dusty can add it to the list?

 

[scarf-ace]

Can you post the link again please so Dusty can add it to the list?

Tobacco Art, E-Liquid, E-Juice, E-Liquid Australia | Artistry Extracts

Interesting that the product page states "Made in the USA" for some of them, but not all.

 

[Jerms]

Tobacco Art, E-Liquid, E-Juice, E-Liquid Australia | Artistry Extracts

Interesting that the product page states "Made in the USA" for some of them, but not all.

Thanks! If they take off maybe one of the resellers like GiantVapes will stock them. Tobacco Macchiato

 

[Dusty_D]

Added to New NET Vendor section.

Hi Scarfy!!

 

[Dusty_D]

Hey Jerms, do you remember Rpad or anyone else ever posting reviews about that Canadian NET Vendor - Moonshine Brew?!

 

[fouroulou]

Jerms

Kens suggestion is to use SS mech wicks for ease of dry burning which will need to be done regularly.

I don't rely on Kens advice because, I dare say ( no offence intended, just making an observation) he is addressing a generally inexperienced clientele base when it comes to NETs. Most of his clientele is made up of people who usually vape synthetics but discovered NETs for the first time at Walkers and rely on the vendors advice for vaping method and preferred coil make up.

I rely on my long experience with NETs and the things I've learnt on this thread,

The best way to vape Walkers liquids goes back to basics which we all know. That is, treat it like an extract, not a finished product.

I mix it at 25% with PG. That equates to the finished product being 75% PG and 25% Vg. The PG brings out the flavour of the juice . At 25% it is as flavorsome as any NET on the market.

At 25-30% mixed I equate the gunk factor as being less than W2V but perhaps more than a medium level gunker such as NET.com or GEJ.

I equate the extract to be as gunky as Boomers extracts and you would never vape Boomers extracts as they are would you, nor any extract for that matter.



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Anthony, interesting what you say about the PG - I do not DIY and frankly apart from the gunk factor feel no reason to tamper with the juices as I love them as they are (seems on this thread I am in the minority there!). Can you explain more what you mean about PG opening up the flavor profile?

I personally did start to get into NETs through Walker's (well apart from having already tried HHV, which I did not like at all), but have since tried other well-regarded vendors. Would by no means say that I am knowledgeable, but I have a sense of what is out there, and do not just vape what I vape by default. I imagine there are also other customers who came to him from synthetics, but from following the FB group there are certainly some who are veteran NET vapers.

 

[Jerms]

Hey Jerms, do you remember Rpad or anyone else ever posting reviews about that Canadian NET Vendor - Moonshine Brew?!

Hmmm, I don't remember any discussion about them. Have you had them? 7Eleven sounds like something I'd like. It's showing at $1 for 15ml on the mobile site; don't know if that's an error or a fantastic sale offer.

 

[Dusty_D]

Hmmm, I don't remember any discussion about them. Have you had them? 7Eleven sounds like something I'd like. It's showing at $1 for 15ml on the mobile site; don't know if that's an error or a fantastic sale offer.

No, I haven't which is why I was hoping somebody else may have. I know Raymond got a few of the Jugs and was due to do a review on them. Can't remember seeing anything.

Hendo (vendor) and me were supposed to meet up, but we couldn't get our times synched up to make it happen. Haven't seen much activity from him lately either..

Maybe Raymond will pop up and say something..

 

[Dusty_D]

I tried checking out with 2 x bottles of 7eleven and it does let me do it. Must be a promo or sale in progress! There's just 4 liquids on the site now. Could have sworn he had more..

 

[Darkstar>otherone]

Anybody out there using the dna 40? I want to know how this temp control is working with NETs

 

[boomerdude]

See! Another brilliant thinker. Gunk is good.

As soon as my Paris gets here I will be happy to post a comparison. But what you all have against gunk anyway?

 

[boomerdude]

Not recommended. I mixed up some bottles and vaped SPC Miss River straight by mistake. Woulda gagged a maggot.

Gunk is not bothersome to me. You burn off your coil, slip another slice of cotton in it and then get on with it. Easy - peasey.

As a matter of fact, I don't think half my extracts would be as flavorful if I filtered them any further. JMO.

Jerms

I equate the extract to be as gunky as Boomers extracts and you would never vape Boomers extracts as they are would you, nor any extract for that matter.



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[boomerdude]

Busy day. Got some of SI's RY4 and vaped about a ml so far. Earlier it was Home Extractor Heaven with some of Dustmite's Penzance, Cinire's Vanilla Royale and Bill's Old Joe Krantz which I only have enough of to get me through till the tobacco arrives and then a long wait for more. OJK is right up there in my roundhouse with Pennington Gap and Penzance. Four stars all around. Sadly, I only have 20 mls of Penzance left and vape 1.5 mls at a time so it will last. I can't find Esoteric tobacco anywhere. Did they stop exporting or something?

Come to think of it, I haven't seen Dustmite around these parts for quite awhile.

 

[Jerms]

Busy day. Got some of SI's RY4 and vaped about a ml so far. Earlier it was Home Extractor Heaven with some of Dustmite's Penzance, Cinire's Vanilla Royale and Bill's Old Joe Krantz which I only have enough of to get me through till the tobacco arrives and then a long wait for more. OJK is right up there in my roundhouse with Pennington Gap and Penzance. Four stars all around. Sadly, I only have 20 mls of Penzance left and vape 1.5 mls at a time so it will last. I can't find Esoteric tobacco anywhere. Did they stop exporting or something?

Come to think of it, I haven't seen Dustmite around these parts for quite awhile.

Right now I'm vaping Classic English from RTE, a wonderful non-aromatic of straight-up bright yellow Virginia, and Ahl's Sweet Georgia Peach, my all-time favorite fruit-bacco. Earlier today was P.O.E.T. American Ciambella, which has turned into a pretty enjoyable dessert artibacco.

Enjoying the classic style RY4, Boomer?

 

[fouroulou]

Not recommended. I mixed up some bottles and vaped SPC Miss River straight by mistake. Woulda gagged a maggot.

Gunk is not bothersome to me. You burn off your coil, slip another slice of cotton in it and then get on with it. Easy - peasey.

As a matter of fact, I don't think half my extracts would be as flavorful if I filtered them any further. JMO.

Boomer what ratio do you vape your extracts at? For me gunk itself is not a deal-breaker and since the liquids I like more produce more gunk I sort of assumed it was a necessary evil. But what I do regret is the degradation of flavor in relatively short order b/c of insufficient wicking, even in a dripper where I have most control the cotton starts to blacken in short order so after 10-20 minutes I have already lost optimal flavor. Do you have any advice on this? I thought of going the DNA 40 route but sort of worry it just won't let me vape at the wattage I want. Do you ever use mesh?