Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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I was pondering gov reg last night. Hypothetically theyd require class 10000 clean rooms as thats what they use for aerosol medications but it seems like overkill to me. Hepa filtration? Really? Im pretty sure general practice is to not leave a 5 gallon jug of pg with the lid off as it is

I'm not so sure; one would be likely to inhale a lot less aerosol medication than e-liquid throughout the day.

What would be appropriate standards?

In regards to these 'different flavors' of nicotine- I don't follow why it's even a good idea; Stick with a supplier and stay with it. I've had some 'smooth' nicotine juices with little-no TH cause me to become rapidly dehydrated faster than juices I would normally associate as having a "strong" TH relative to their respective flavors & nicotine content.

I'm sticking with Wizard Labs for the time being. Don't see why I should change anything; I'm going to be mixing 0.6-1.2% per mL, so cost is practically null (exception here is PG- never seem to have enough of that) for me.

However, I do agree with the PG...well, sanitation concerns. The floors are frequently cleaned, surfaces rarely have dust accumulation, all e-liquid handling materials always kept separate from vaping materials; I always use a transfer container, clean frequently (well, as well as one can with an electric air-duster-cannon things) and use a MERV 12+ filter; nowhere even remotely close to being 'industry' standards, (a hospital would use MERV 13-16 filter, for reference) but rather the highest I can safely use in my unit.

I sometimes wonder how many e-liquid vendors without clean-room access are doing the same.

Juice would be stupid expensive supposing we were required to have the facilities necessitating making it all (obviously, not DIY) under those conditions.

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[snip] I've had some 'smooth' nicotine juices with little-no TH cause me to become rapidly dehydrated faster than juices I would normally associate as having a "strong" TH relative to their respective flavors & nicotine content.[snip]

That's interesting. I had placed a large order with Vash (3-32mls and 1-52mls) that came with the "smooth" nic. I noticed the quicker, more drastic dehydration. I had to re-order the order and get the full throat hit...irritated me a bit.
 

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That's interesting. I had placed a large order with Vash (3-32mls and 1-52mls) that came with the "smooth" nic. I noticed the quicker, more drastic dehydration. I had to re-order the order and get the full throat hit...irritated me a bit.

When I heard something about "Dirty Nic" (IIRC; correct me if I'm wrong), I kinda just tried to shrug it off, but the more I keep thinking about it, the more it bothers me.

Nicotine, from any source, should be exactly that: nicotine; Those who recall the Box Elder incident know exactly how hazardous a screw-up can be... all that nicotine that got dumped into the trash/water...blegh.

I've never [nor do I plan to] extracted nicotine; can't tell you how they do it or what might happen if it went wrong until I actually read enough reliable literature on the subject.

However...

I don't know whether the PG/VG these different sources (labs selling nicotine, as well as vendors producing juice) are using; my gut tells me it's the nicotine causing all of this, but I really just don't know. I do know that HHV juices cause this "rapid dehydration", as that's when I was vaping WTA and NETs simultaneously; noticed the HHV liquid dried my mouth out a bit more but didn't think much of it until the last order (which may have been in mid-late '13) and then definitely had to take a step back and re-evaluate what I was doing.

Definitely something...

Do any of you vape HHV or Ethervapes liquids at 100% VG or 80%+ VG?

I'm kinda curious to see if this is a problematic PG/VG issue or nicotine-related, because right now I have no clue.
 
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Anyway, my order from Ethervapes is very close to arriving and I am looking forward to it immensely.

Was as exited to receive them as you are now Anthony.

The service I have received from Vash is astonishing. Not only has he baby sat me through the entire order process but he has also been incredible generous in his gesture of sending me a replacement package if I am not happy with the new super smooth nicotine base he begun to add to his juices in place of the original nicotine.

Wish had same answer you received from Vash when I was pointing for the first time on his thread the TH problem and the impression of my organism to vape 0mg. Maybe because he is not very happy that I did...
 

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Was as exited to receive them as you are now Anthony.



Wish had same answer you received from Vash when I was pointing for the first time on his thread the TH problem and the impression of my organism to vape 0mg. Maybe because he is not very happy that I did...
No, I think your feedback is directly related to why he now offers both. He does not appear to take things personally, he just wants to offer what people want. I have also received excellent customer service, even when I screwed up an order. So letting him know is very important.
 

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I know that clnire, wasn't the point of my post. Just reacting to Anthony's reflection concerning the replacement package offered, as obviously I might also pretend to benefit when I expose the trouble. I should put a smiley at the end of my sentence as it's really not a big deal for me, I would avoid misunderstandings.
 

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When I heard something about "Dirty Nic" (IIRC; correct me if I'm wrong), I kinda just tried to shrug it off, but the more I keep thinking about it, the more it bothers me.

Nicotine, from any source, should be exactly that: nicotine; Those who recall the Box Elder incident know exactly how hazardous a screw-up can be... all that nicotine that got dumped into the trash/water...blegh.

I've never [nor do I plan to] extracted nicotine; can't tell you how they do it or what might happen if it went wrong until I actually read enough reliable literature on the subject.

However...

I don't know whether the PG/VG these different sources (labs selling nicotine, as well as vendors producing juice) are using; my gut tells me it's the nicotine causing all of this, but I really just don't know. I do know that HHV juices cause this "rapid dehydration", as that's when I was vaping WTA and NETs simultaneously; noticed the HHV liquid dried my mouth out a bit more but didn't think much of it until the last order (which may have been in mid-late '13) and then definitely had to take a step back and re-evaluate what I was doing.

Definitely something...

Do any of you vape HHV or Ethervapes liquids at 100% VG or 80%+ VG?

I'm kinda curious to see if this is a problematic PG/VG issue or nicotine-related, because right now I have no clue.

I believe EV offers 50/50 and 75% max VG. I get the 50/50. If a vendor offers a choice I get 70PG/30VG so I can't tell if it's directly related to PG. I haven't had HHV.
 

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That's interesting. I had placed a large order with Vash (3-32mls and 1-52mls) that came with the "smooth" nic. I noticed the quicker, more drastic dehydration. I had to re-order the order and get the full throat hit...irritated me a bit.

I should note that Vash contacted me addressing this and everything has been worked out wonderfully. He responded quickly and with consideration and attention. I told him that I remain a loyal customer and will continue to support Ether Vapes publicly.

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Diane has some new ones coming or here already that I want to try:

https://www.myvapejuice.com/product_info.php/products_id/1155

and

MVJ w/Hearth & Home Marquee Magnum Opus Pipe Tobacco (no link yet)

and

MVJ w/Dunhill My Mixture 965 Pipe Tobacco (no link)

I had a small disappointment with MVJ's Centurion. Diane had sent a sample with my first order and it was wonderfully addicting. Dry, grassy, bite-y. I immediately ordered a larger bottle that has none of those qualities. I have to check the bottle she sent and see if it was STP Centurion or the regular.

I've been enjoying Ether Vapes Bright Burley: Bright Burley It's Vash's re-vamp of Pure Burley and I think it's more elegant and smooth and refined.

Also EV's Classic Virginia: Classic Virginia Which is bright and sweetish.

Vash mentioned in his thread that he's come up with a Va/Per blend that will appear soon.

I should note that he now has an option for Classic Throat Hit or Super Smooth (no) Throat Hit. I had to replace several bottles that came with the smooth instead of the classic. Not NET but, EVs Lemon Heaven is so, so good!

That's all I got in south Austin...

I was paying attention to your posts about MVJ Centurion and was wondering what was in your bottle compared to mine.

Centurion is one of my least favorite of MVJs stock. I find it bland of flavour and a little harsh. I am not detecting much tobacco presence at all.

Sorry to hear about your Ethervapes order not working out. It is also a bit disheartening for me because I am expecting my Ethervapes order to be here any day and the entire contents have the super smooth nicotine. NO throat hit does not sound good at all. I was hoping it might be a smooth but solid throat hit.

Timing is a real ....* sometimes. Because I am in Australia and Ethervapes is not yet setup for taking international orders, I eked out my order with Vash via email not knowing they were offering two types of nicotine. The very day after it was packaged and sent I went to Ethervapes supplier page for the first time and saw discussion on the new nicotine that was being offered with the liquids. I had hoped my liquids were mixed with the original nicotine as I prefer a fairly robust (but not reckless) throat hit.

Thankfully Vash made me a generous offer if I am not satisfied with the liquids, but it means I am going to have to wait another two weeks!



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I was paying attention to your posts about MVJ Centurion and was wondering what was in your bottle compared to mine.

Centurion is one of my least favorite of MVJs stock. I find it bland of flavour and a little harsh. I am not detecting much tobacco presence at all.

Sorry to hear about your Ethervapes order not working out. It is also a bit disheartening for me because I am expecting my Ethervapes order to be here any day and the entire contents have the super smooth nicotine. NO throat hit does not sound good at all. I was hoping it might be a smooth but solid throat hit.

Timing is a real ....* sometimes. Because I am in Australia and Ethervapes is not yet setup for taking international orders, I eked out my order with Vash via email not knowing they were offering two types of nicotine. The very day after it was packaged and sent I went to Ethervapes supplier page for the first time and saw discussion on the new nicotine that was being offered with the liquids. I had hoped my liquids were mixed with the original nicotine as I prefer a fairly robust (but not reckless) throat hit.

Thankfully Vash made me a generous offer if I am not satisfied with the liquids, but it means I am going to have to wait another two weeks!



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They were having a sale on Centurion plus a site wide sale so I ordered a small bottle of Centurion w/extra flavor shot (and a bunch of other stuff so i'm broke now.) I'll report back on it.
 

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Here's my first self-portrait, drawn from a photo taken last year.. yeah, I'm a longhair :D.

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Wonderful stuff Jerms! I always wondered what you look like. You look younger than I had imagined.

Come to think of it, how come no one on this thread uses a photo of themselves as their profile picture?


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Yes NotSoMini Vaponaute is well-known and quite popular with french vapers, tobacco used are not NETS, taste them quite long time ago, wasn't my kind of vape but they have very good reviews and aficionados. You should definitely give them a try if you're not afraid by the price...

For EtherVapes, I've told Vash on his thread 4 or 5 days ago, that the 8 juices that I've ordered have no TH at all, it was like vaping with 0mg, he reacted immediately and he is offering now 2 kinds of TH on his liquids, normal TH and no TH (Vaperstek)

I think it is a great initiative by Vash to explore new products and offer customers an option to customize certain aspects of their liquids, but I suspect that he might rue his decision to experiment with the new nicotine which is going to weigh him down with extra labors and costs to make up for the users who are not content with the new grade of nicotine.

I personally don't see the point in using a super smooth nicotine that, at any given nicotine level, feels like a much lower nicotine level. Given that nicotine isn't exactly healthy for us, one would prefer to drop their nicotine levels to have a smoother nicotine hit, than to opt for a nicotine type that behaves like lower Nic levels. Kind of worst of both worlds really?

That said, I haven't tried the new product but I imagine it will be here today or tomorrow.


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I personally don't see the point in using a super smooth nicotine that, at any given nicotine level, feels like a much lower nicotine level. Given that nicotine isn't exactly healthy for us, one would prefer to drop their nicotine levels to have a smoother nicotine hit, than to opt for a nicotine type that behaves like lower Nic levels. Kind of worst of both worlds really?

I'm new to NET and vaping, 6 months. Give me the hit. I haven't ordered from this vendor yet but it's an interesting conversation. As NET users aren't you still chasing the smoking experience? Without the bad health, smell, able to smoke indoors etc. of really smoking a good cigar or pipe? I know you guys have been around a while, but I gotta say...I need the nicotine hit and flavor still and I thought I finally found it w/ NET. Don't go lame on me now Vendors!

My two cents.
 
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