Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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:offtopic: I always feared, in the back of my mind, the day may come when some town or city may impose the "no smoking" of analogs, etc. on vapors
Well that day is here as a city near me will soon vote on just such an ordinance! :shock:
I live in Fargo, North Dakota, and a bill was passed to that effect about a couple years ago. It happened when the law to ban smoking within 20 feet of any business was being voted on. They tacked on ecigs to the bill. It passed because most were for the no smoking idea but uninformed or didn't care that ecigs were included.

I'm fine with not vaping in stores, restaurants, or inside any business. Fine, whatever. But making it illegal to vape anywhere downtown (the middle of the street may be 20 feet from businesses though lol) is so nonsensical.

I ignore the law and vape walking down the sidewalk, even if an officer is passing. I accept my choice to ignore what I feel is unfair law may result in a fine, though it hasn't happened yet and doubt it ever will. If i do get ticketed I will show up in court to state my case, and pay the fine if told to.
 

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I live in Fargo, North Dakota, and a bill was passed to that effect about a couple years ago. It happened when the law to ban smoking within 20 feet of any business was being voted on. They tacked on ecigs to the bill. It passed because most were for the no smoking idea but uninformed or didn't care that ecigs were included.

I'm fine with not vaping in stores, restaurants, or inside any business. Fine, whatever. But making it illegal to vape anywhere downtown (the middle of the street may be 20 feet from businesses though lol) is so nonsensical.

I ignore the law and vape walking down the sidewalk, even if an officer is passing. I accept my choice to ignore what I feel is unfair law may result in a fine, though it hasn't happened yet and doubt it ever will. If i do get ticketed I will show up in court to state my case, and pay the fine if told to.

When the law first passed, a group of vapers gathered in front of Dept. of Parks and Recreation headquartered in Central Park in a vapethon, hoping to get ticketed so they could fight it in court, but as hard as they tried the police refused to ticket them ! Probably instructed by the city not to.
 

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When the law first passed, a group of vapers gathered in front of Dept. of Parks and Recreation headquartered in Central Park in a vapethon, hoping to get ticketed so they could fight it in court, but as hard as they tried the police refused to ticket them ! Probably instructed by the city not to.
Lol. When the law first passed here, my attitude was.. I dare them to fine me, I'll contact CASAA and fight! After a bit I realised.. they're probably not going to ticket me.
 

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The ranking of different NET vendors and juices in this group is much more consensus of opinions than anything else. Most here have little to no experience with smoking pipe and cigar tobacco on a regular basis. The opinions on the quality and success of a NET expressed by the few connoisseurs have been in line with those who weren't as experienced though.

Another grouping of people separate from this group may very well conclude a totally different ranking. Since we're talking a consensus of opinion though, neither list could be called right or wrong in an absolute way. The list here does have legitimacy if you consider that many have participated, many participates have made NETs a big part of their hobby and have sampled and discussed most available offerings, and has been around exactly 3 years to the day! I haven't heard of any other NET group with our credentials. :)

Good post and I agree. I would like to digress a little here.

No matter what a tobacco tastes like in a pipe or as a cigar, it will never taste the same in vaping form so one could never use the likeness of a flavor in vaping form to its smoking counterpart for appraisal of its accuracy. It quite literally can never be accurate. Combustion, fire, smoke reacts with the tobacco in a way that alters the flavor profile.

Most pipes smell better than they taste. I've smoked good aromatic pipe tobaccos when I was messing around with various forms of smoking and they all taste mostly like ash. They all do. It is only the aroma and room note that really brings out the nuances, at least in my limited experience.

Id like to make a qualification here that I didn't just smoke one bowl, which could then explain why it didn't taste good. I actually smoked a whole tin in a pipe of good quality pipe tobacco that smelled divine. I sampled others as well. In each case the experience of smoking it was that of ashy harshness. I watched YouTube videos to learn how to smoke a pipe correctly so I don't believe human error was a factor, not greatly so anyway.

This was about 6 months ago when I slipped back into smoking. I extracted some of that pipe tobacco as well, but that is a topic for another post.

I think I can see why cigarettes became popular. In what seems very paradoxical, all those chemicals in cigarettes that are harmful make cigarettes taste better and smell worse. Pipes and cigars, that are mostly cased organic tobacco with no chemical additives smell better than they taste.

Vaping a tobacco, I believe, brings out the subtle nuances in flavor of a tobacco more than smoking it does. If there were any comparisons at all to be made it would be between the way a tobacco smells or the room note it leaves and how it tastes in vaping form, and not how it tastes when smoked.

For those who have never smoked a pipe, you are not missing anything.


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ANTHONY B- I tried anthony b's rum rebellion and im in love bro....got it in the marquis rite now with 24g 316l 4mm 6 wrap dual coils at .22 and its such a warm flavorful smoky mess i love it... also tried fire cured burly and i love that also but it gunks up coils to where they need a rewick and cleaning every like 30 min lol...I love naturally extracted tobacco .net now and am wondering if you have any suggestions as we seem to have similar tastes. Also Im wondering the difference between cold mass and heat extracted which i got last time...looking forward to hearing from someone so i can make another order...cuz i cant run fully out of this ever again
 

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Spaced micros go noticeably longer for me too. Rayon + spaced coils is pretty impressive with moderately gunky NETs.

I had to come back to this post, I'm a newbie. I'm glad I've read these posts from you and the others ahead because I was worried about my coils ("But they don't look like Rip Trippers!") I was getting worried but you guys have let me relax. My coils are spaced, I fiddled and they glow well, I'm still using my second attempt that turned out a dual coil at 1 ohm on my tugboat V2.

It makes sense that you would want some space for the gunk. I like sense. And it's working. If you guys can't remember what the first taste was from a good coil w/ some good cotton...well it's heaven to me. I can actually taste the chocolate that was described in the MVJ Drew Estate Black Cavendish.

I'll get better at making coils, but I'm done comparing. If my new little istck 50w will fire it...I'm vaping it. It's keeping me from chain smoking nasty marlboro's while enjoying good whiskey.
 

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Im wondering the difference between cold mass and heat extracted which i got last time

Cold maceration is having the tobacco soak for days or weeks in the pg/vg before filtering, and heat maceration uses heat during the soak to speed up the process. From what I understand, both methods result in a very similar product. Someone else will have to answer if they noticed much difference from NETcom's cold vs. heat. I'm assuming if they did it's very subtle and largely unimportant.
 

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Cold maceration is having the tobacco soak for days or weeks in the pg/vg before filtering, and heat maceration uses heat during the soak to speed up the process. From what I understand, both methods result in a very similar product. Someone else will have to answer if they noticed much difference from NETcom's cold vs. heat. I'm assuming if they did it's very subtle and largely unimportant.

I, personally, notice more subtle nuances in my cold maceration's vs. the same with heat. This is especially important to me when I extract pipe tobacco or whole leaf. For instance, I can detect a slight caramel note along with a hint of cinnamon in a burley with cold maceration that does not seem present when I use heat. Granted the heat method I used may have been a factor (120 degrees in a crock pot for 4 hours followed by a two week steep before filtering).

Edit: I just ordered a heat maceration from NETcom and will compare both types from them, to be completely fair.
 
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Cold maceration is having the tobacco soak for days or weeks in the pg/vg before filtering, and heat maceration uses heat during the soak to speed up the process. From what I understand, both methods result in a very similar product. Someone else will have to answer if they noticed much difference from NETcom's cold vs. heat. I'm assuming if they did it's very subtle and largely unimportant.

To my tastebuds, heat maceration has more of a bite, while it's a little easier to taste separate flavors with cold maceration. I like both, depending on the tobacco (again, totally subjective). For something like latakia, heat maceration is almost too much for me, but I'm sure there are some manly man in this thread that would prefer it that way. :)
 

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Yeah . . . I had no idea our Founding Fathers were Socialists . . . [Stamp Act, Intolerable Acts, etc.] :blink::facepalm:

Nothing wrong with socialism. Don't confuse Marxist socialism which dominated communist Eastern Europe and resulted in the Bolsheviks killing millions of their own people with the German national socialism which created the miracle economy and loved its own people.


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ANTHONY B- I tried anthony b's rum rebellion and im in love bro....got it in the marquis rite now with 24g 316l 4mm 6 wrap dual coils at .22 and its such a warm flavorful smoky mess i love it... also tried fire cured burly and i love that also but it gunks up coils to where they need a rewick and cleaning every like 30 min lol...I love naturally extracted tobacco .net now and am wondering if you have any suggestions as we seem to have similar tastes. Also Im wondering the difference between cold mass and heat extracted which i got last time...looking forward to hearing from someone so i can make another order...cuz i cant run fully out of this ever again

So glad to hear it sir puffs a lot. All credit belongs to Clay from NET.com.

Clay was very open to suggestions from his members in the early days who would make requests for new extraction ideas.

I love a good rum and suggested a rum infused tobacco extraction because I felt it was a good pairing and no other NET vendor had done it at the time except maybe My Vape Juice.

The 'rum rebellion' name derived from a period in Australia's history.

I'm glad you like it :) I like it too and regularly vape it.

I recommend trying the bourbon infused and cognac infused from NET.com. They are infused in a similar tobacco base which is light and not overpowering which allows the spirit infusions to shine through. I love both of those too.

I believe those two are fairly kind on coils as well.

Let the juices steep at least 3 weeks.

PS I'm impressed with your sub ohm setup! I've never Vaped NETs at such a low ohm. Most likely, NET tobaccos vape best at 1.0 to 1.5 ohms at about 10 watts but what do I know, I've never sub homed Nets! I can see how a spirit or liqueur based NET might actually perform well at the sub-ohm level.



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Well they did like their Tea Parties. ( see what I did there? )

:laugh: Of course! The very antithesis of Socialism! (see what I did there? :D)



Nothing wrong with socialism. Don't confuse Marxist socialism which dominated communist Eastern Europe and resulted in the Bolsheviks killing millions of their own people with the German national socialism which created the miracle economy and loved its own people.


Umm . . . you're funning us, right, Anthony? :blink: I mean, Die National Sozialistische Arbieter Partei -- that "nationalist socialism"??? :ohmy: The one that created the Volkswagon, and Zyclon B??
 

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Nothing wrong with socialism. Don't confuse Marxist socialism which dominated communist Eastern Europe and resulted in the Bolsheviks killing millions of their own people with the German national socialism which created the miracle economy and loved its own people.


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Wait, are you mistaking the German economic miracle post war ( Marshall Plan etc ... ) with National Socialism ( Nazism ) or are you being sarcastic in some profound way ? confused !
 

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:laugh: Of course! The very antithesis of Socialism! (see what I did there? :D)






Umm . . . you're funning us, right, Anthony? :blink: I mean, Die National Sozialistische Arbieter Partei -- that "nationalist socialism"??? :ohmy: The one that created the Volkswagon, and Zyclon B??

Yes that one. :)

Zyklon B or hydrogen cyanide was used to delouse the clothing of inmates in the camps to prevent the spread of typhus which was transferred via lice.

What's wrong with the Volkswagen ?


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