Natural Tobaccos

[Jerms]

And "Germs"!


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On my new Android tablet I downloaded this strategy game called Plague Inc. that you creat a disease with the goal of wiping out mankind. The first thing you do is name the bacteria, virus, etc. that you want to create and it was easy... Jerms. After Jerms didn't wipe out the planet I tried with Jerms2, Jerms3, etc. Jerms5 was the deadliest, so be sure to get tested for Jerms5.

Got my FT order today, ceramic tips, glad dt, and a couple rebuildable drippers. So I just did my first build of my new Trident.. 24 gauge Kanthal that's like a wire hangar. 0.57 ohms.. haven't fired it yet.. kind of scared of it..

 

[FWon]

Are you certain these are 'real' NETs? I've tried them all but, I find no NET qualities to them.

BWB is another on my list to try. You guys probably already know this, but I asked Mrs. Brew which were NETs and she said Backo, Casa, the 555's, and Honey Flue. I'd like to give all of this a shot, and I'm just foaming waiting for any new years deals to drop - although I think if it's all the same, I'll still give ahlusion the next nod

 

[billherbst]

Are you certain these are 'real' NETs? I've tried them all but, I find no NET qualities to them.

One reason it's always been hard to pin down whether or not (and which) Backwoods Brew tobacco juices might be NETs is that Don (owner and juicemaster of BWB) is notoriously tight-lipped about his ingredients. As far as I know, he has never once let the cat out of the bag by 'fessing up to what's in his tobacco blends or how they're made.

The other reason is experiential. I've vaped almost all of BWB's tobacco juices and feel the same way you do. None of them taste like NETs to me. Without exception, they all taste like straight synthetics to my palate. That's anecdotal and subjective, of course, so I could be wrong, but that is my honest experience.

 

[BecknCO]

Frankly, I'm not experienced enough to know if those BWB's are actually NETs or not. I remember early on in this thread Mr. Mann felt very strongly that at least backo was. I just asked Don's wife, and that's what she told me were NETs -- Backo, Casa, the 555's, and Honey Flue. I asked it directly in her thread, but maybe something got lost in translation. You guys would be better judges of that than me. The funny thing is that they make plenty of other tobaccos, so why would she single out those to answer my question if something DID get lost in translation. Either that, or she's considering TA or TE's to be NETs

Btw -- I remember there was someone here who was doing their own cold macerations of American Spirit. I just happened to receive two coupons from them for $1 packs that I'd be happy to mail along - just PM me your address if interested. I think the DIY extraction is a little beyond my skill level at the moment, but would love to PIF to one of you guys if it would help!

Definitely my favorite analog "back in the day"

 

[Nightcall]

Right now I'm having the best tobacco vapes I've had since I started vaping 4 months ago. Coconut Cavendish from NETcom is firing just right in the Aspire ET-S 2.1 ohm after a couple of tepid days with a 1.8 ohm. It's a beautiful tobacco vape, probably because it tastes like tobacco, truly. Barely there is the coconut but that's probably for the better.

I have Big Spirit in the IGO-L and I guess it really does taste like a cigarette, so it's not surprising that it isn't as enjoyable as the Cavendish lol. Still satisfying though. I want to put CC in the IGO and try it there with silica, because I'm not crazy about the cotton yarn as of now.

So that's it, NETcom is where it's at for me right now.

 

[RPadTV]

Vecchio, sadly, I maybe didn't give it the chance it deserved. Mann sent me some well aged VB, and I quickly judged it as Vurley lite so mixed it with Sweet Georgia Peach without giving it time. VB was really good, but I've never vaped Vurley thinking I would prefer less tobacco; it may have won me over on it's own terms with time, so I'll give it another go sometime.

I love both Vurley and Vecchio. Vurley was instant love. Vecchio took more time and steeping, but I love it nearly as much as Vurley. While I think Vurley is better overall, I do like that Vecchio is much, much, much friendlier on coils. Lately, I've been shying away from aromatics because I don't want to rebuild all the time. Ha!

I like Ray's reviews too. But he sure talks a lot about urine.

Well, that's what I do half the day off camera as well.

Haha! Another great review Raymond- thank you. I'll echo the other sentiments that you do it very professionally and don't vape on screen "so you can see the vapor production" - that's like eating on camera and talking with your mouth full of food

I'm already a bbq and fly fishing nerd - like I needed another obsession!

Love, love, love you're analogy! I use it quite often myself when I get (way too frequent) emails asking why I don't vape on camera. In the immortal words of Chaz Michael Michaels, it's mind bottling.

As for obsessions, maybe you should try to get in with the flashlight crowd. I love those guys for their thorough battery testing, but have no idea how they can be so passionate about flashlights. I don't mean that with any kind of disrespect. I just don't find anything fun about flashlights.

 

[Jerms]

I love those guys for their thorough battery testing, but have no idea how they can be so passionate about flashlights. I don't mean that with any kind of disrespect. I just don't find anything fun about flashlights.

Yep. All they are is basically a metal tube that holds a battery and all do the same one thing, why would someone possibly need more than one, I mean.... *glances at my mechs and my list of more I want*.. wait, nevermind.

Good point of VB, I may appreciate it's cleanliness for some on-the-go Kayfun vanilla tobacco vaping.

 

[Nightcall]

Back to cotton yarn after a very short detour lol. Mainly because it's so much easier to work with than silica. The Coconut Cavendish did taste good in the IGO-L with the little piece of silica I had, in a badly wrapped coil compared to my lovely microcoils for cotton. Can't slide the fat piece of silica I had thru a coil. Does silica have more of a true taste? I'm thinking that. But cotton is still good as well. Vaping is a never-ending work in progress. Thankfully I enjoy it all.

My tobacco ranking so far:

1) Coconut Cavendish, NETcom
2) Legend HHV (light, but when it hits there's just something special about it)
3) Hunstman HHV (same, though more tobacco than Legend. This could be ranked above Legend, but...)
4) Big Spirit, NETcom (the good: tastes like a quality cigarette, the bad: tastes like a cigarette)
4) Apache MOV (DEEP, dark, tobacco)
5) Patriot, Goodejuice (have to try this again some day. pleasant, inoffensive.)
6) Shadow HHV (quite good for those who like cocoa. wasn't my style.)

edit: forgot one:

7) Burley Beard Tobacco, Velvet Cloud Vapor. (there's a wonderful light tobacco buried in there somewhere, the problem is it's so light you can barely taste it. Great for people who want something very light and clean, and 100% VG.)

 

[Greg58]

(You spelt -20C wrong. You mean -3F. 253 Kelvin is also acceptable.)[/QUOTE]

You did spell that wrong it is spelled CRAZY

 

[Nightcall]

Got my FT order today, ceramic tips, glad dt, and a couple rebuildable drippers. So I just did my first build of my new Trident.. 24 gauge Kanthal that's like a wire hangar. 0.57 ohms.. haven't fired it yet.. kind of scared of it..

That coil looks industrial strength. I admire it, looks like a machine wrapped it.

 

[Jerms]

That coil looks industrial strength. I admire it, looks like a machine wrapped it.

It was a nice coil, but not for me. Flavor is great, but goes through juice and battery too quick. I also used the smallest airhole on the Trident which has a tighter draw like I prefer, but going this low really needs more airflow because the vape gets so hot without it. So was a fun experiment, but going back to my regular build.

I did try my first major clouds with it. Used the biggest airhole, loaded up a 0 nic sample juice I received, and went to town with direct-to-lung hits. It was fun for a minute.. but the novelty quickly wore off. I vaped about 2ml in about 3 minutes, the juice consumption is crazy for big clouds.

 

[Greg58]

wow! I have been reading this thread for days! I am new to vaping after smoking for 38 years and am trying really hard to find a smooth tasting tobacco flavor that is not sweet. I just ordered a sample pack from NET.com thanks to all of the information on here. Thanks to all that have posted opinions. What a great group and I hope to be able to help others soon myself with my learning experiences.

 

[johni]

wow! I have been reading this thread for days! I am new to vaping after smoking for 38 years and am trying really hard to find a smooth tasting tobacco flavor that is not sweet. I just ordered a sample pack from NET.com thanks to all of the information on here. Thanks to all that have posted opinions. What a great group and I hope to be able to help others soon myself with my learning experiences.

Welcome Greg. Look forward to your posts.

 

[RPadTV]

Does silica have more of a true taste? I'm thinking that. But cotton is still good as well.

In my experience, no. Cotton has a cleaner taste than regular silica IF treated properly. It should be boiled thoroughly. I always wince at vape shops when builders set up their customers with cotton wicks straight from a box of cotton.

Personally, I'm happy with Ekowool or Twik.

 

[BecknCO]

I just vape the nets and thick vg stuff on joye 306s and the odd 510 I find here and there. Sounds like I need to find some good threads on noob first time builds and first time RBA's It's still all very new to me, but if the flavor is really that much better, than I'm sure it will be worth the effort.

 

[TexasVet]

Originally Posted by RPadTV

I love those guys for their thorough battery testing, but have no idea how they can be so passionate about flashlights. I don't mean that with any kind of disrespect. I just don't find anything fun about flashlights.

Yep. All they are is basically a metal tube that holds a battery and all do the same one thing, why would someone possibly need more than one, I mean.... *glances at my mechs and my list of more I want*.. wait, nevermind.

Good point of VB, I may appreciate it's cleanliness for some on-the-go Kayfun vanilla tobacco vaping.

Good Holiday, or any day, Fun there guys.
Takes me back to the time I got a hazardous atmoshere flashlight, issued in the military. Submersible all plastic housing with o-ring seals, dual batts and a spare bulb in the end cap. Never produced any vapor, no matter the wattage.

 

[Jerms]

I just vape the nets and thick vg stuff on joye 306s and the odd 510 I find here and there. Sounds like I need to find some good threads on noob first time builds and first time RBA's It's still all very new to me, but if the flavor is really that much better, than I'm sure it will be worth the effort.

You're already in good flavor country dripping with atties. Rebuildables can enhance flavor, vapor, and throat hit, but as long as your dripping you're getting some of the best performance. Check out the rebuildable atomizer section here at ECF if you want to give rebuilding a try.

 

[BecknCO]

will do! Will I notice a big difference in flavor and performance with a good RDA or RBA over my dripping attys? (I really don't even know the difference)? I almost pulled trigger on a kayfun lite clone for $35 today, but I really have no clue what I'm doing with coil building. I figure if I can tie size 24 flies, maybe I can learn. I think I'll wait until February though - I'm already about $55 over my vape budget for JANUARY and SWMBO is not pleased....especially with Denver fly fishing show coming up

 

[RPadTV]

Yep. All they are is basically a metal tube that holds a battery and all do the same one thing, why would someone possibly need more than one, I mean.... *glances at my mechs and my list of more I want*.. wait, nevermind.

The difference is that vaping is part of a lifestyle. Many of us are addicted to nicotine or the hand-to-mouth habit. Vaping is something many people do every few hours or every few minutes. I'm unaware of a lifestyle that involves operating a flashlight every few minutes. Perhaps the guys that do these awesome battery tests on the flashlight forums are spelunkers.

 

[billherbst]

Will I notice a big difference in flavor and performance with a good RDA or RBA over my dripping attys?

That depends on who you ask. Some of the RBA enthusiasts are diehard and almost evangelical in their insistence that rebuildables' flavor and performance is worlds better than anything else. They're convinced of that, happy about it, and can't be dissuaded.

I'm not in that camp. I use many of the available JDS (Juice Delivery Systems---atomizers, cartomizers, clearomizers, tanks, RDAs/RBAs). I drip into regular atomizers (510s, 306s, even 901s), but I also continue to use a couple cartos (mainly Kanger single-bottom-coil XL cartos), and numerous clearomizers (CE2s, CE4s, wire-mesh-wick CE5s). I also have 13 bottom-feeder mods, 12 of which are outfitted with rebuildables atties for which I build regular or micro-coils of varying gauges (27ga-32ga) that use silica, EkoWool, cotton, or hemp wicks. I even have a couple of Kayfun Lite/Russian 91 clones and a couple Genesis-style tank RBAs that use rolled wire mesh wicks, but I've not yet used any of those.

I've had to quit espousing the simple (and often simplistic) good/bad, better/worse comparative judgments. Is atty-dripping really the purest form of tasting flavors? Are CE4s really "muted" in flavor delivery? Are RBAs with sub-ohm micro-coils really the greatest thing since sliced bread? I read those kinds of opinions often on ECF and have written some of them myself, but in actual fact I haven't found them to be consistently or universally true. My experience is that each JDS provides its own particular kind of vaping experience, which may overlap with others, but retains its relatively unique identity. They all work, and I appreciate each for what it does well, but none is flawless or without downsides.

Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it...