Natural Tobaccos

[billherbst]

I realize that the train has left the station on this discussion, but I just read the posts about TA, m&p, Haze, and Conspiracy, and I'd like to weigh in, if only to add an addendum.

I go back and forth about TA, phasing gradually through like it/don't like it, great stuff/weird stuff. Lately I've been in a like it/great stuff mode, so naturally I went straight to my stash of Mom&Pop juices. Historically, I felt the same way about both tobacco Haze and Conspiracy---thanks, but no thanks. That is, until I combined them in a 60/40 Haze/Conspiracy blend. The resulting Frankenjuice, while not achieving Holy Grail OMG status, is quite nice. Nice enough that I dug out my filled clearo of 10 Forty, which had been quietly "steeping" (i.e. languishing) for the past year. Hadn't changed a bit. TA all the way. I had changed, however, and I've been vaping 10 Forty on and off quite happily for about a week now.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

 

[billherbst]

I wonder which Gandalf I have.

Back in June following the birth of the first buzz on ECF, I bought an HHV sampler with a 3ml bottle of Gandalf. Obviously that was Gandalf #1, right? After inhaling that nearly overnight (interesting, eh, that a metaphor from the food world---"inhaling" one's food, meaning to wolf it down ravenously---is a literal truth in the vaping world), I read Mr. Mann's post about ordering Gandalf with extra flavor, so I ordered 60mls with a flavor boost, dropping Mr. M's name in the comments box ("I want what he got."). That was late June. OK, was that Gandalf #1, #1a, or #2?

Since then, my infatuation with Gandalf has waned---I still like it, but no longer love it---so I still have 15mls of that order left and haven't bought more. I won't have to decide whether or not to re-stock soon, since 15mls should last me another six months at my current reduced rate of Gandalf inhalation.

Anyway, I missed the whole 1-2-3 discussion. Hulamoon mentioned "the new Gandalf 1." Is that different from the original Gandalf 1? I mean, just how many damned Gandalfs are there, and which version have I been vaping?

 

[Mr.Mann]

I wonder which Gandalf I have.

Back in June following the birth of the first buzz on ECF, I bought an HHV sampler with a 3ml bottle of Gandalf. Obviously that was Gandalf #1, right? After inhaling that nearly overnight (interesting, eh, that a metaphor from the food world---"inhaling" one's food, meaning to wolf it down ravenously---is a literal truth in the vaping world), I read Mr. Mann's post about ordering Gandalf with extra flavor, so I ordered 60mls with a flavor boost, dropping Mr. M's name in the comments box ("I want what he got."). That was late June. OK, was that Gandalf #1, #1a, or #2?

Since then, my infatuation with Gandalf has waned---I still like it, but no longer love it---so I still have 15mls of that order left and haven't bought more. I won't have to decide whether or not to re-stock soon, since 15mls should last me another six months at my current reduced rate of Gandalf inhalation.

Anyway, I missed the whole 1-2-3 discussion. Hulamoon mentioned "the new Gandalf 1." Is that different from the original Gandalf 1? I mean, just how many damned Gandalfs are there, and which version have I been vaping?

The first you bought was in fact the first, but the second is supposed to be the current, though I beg to differ. There is a strange thing about that juice and I have no idea why it went from being a "eureka juice" to an "oh, that juice," juice.

p.s. Bill, your sample of SC and a tiny sample of BGB is on its way as of today.

 

[gthompson]

1a = original
1b = original with extra extract
2 = choco gandalf, supposedly what they now call Serendipity (though I beg to differ)
3 = Cherrydalf (not really cherry, but something "cherryish" is present, probably just the tobacco)

They are all supposed to be straight tobacco extracts, and I can believe that, but there's something quite different between 1, 2 and 3. Different tobacco strains/leaves? I don't know.

 

[Mr.Mann]

1a = original
1b = original with extra extract
2 = choco gandalf, supposedly what they now call Serendipity (though I beg to differ)
3 = Cherrydalf (not really cherry, but something "cherryish" is present, probably just the tobacco)

They are all supposed to be straight tobacco extracts, and I can believe that, but there's something quite different between 1, 2 and 3. Different tobacco strains/leaves? I don't know.

Where ya' been, G?

 

[gthompson]

Eating mostly.

 

[PapawBrett]

Heck, I'm still waiting for my first Tobaccos to finish steeping and y'all are classifying/ coding/ subdividing Individual Flavors ? Before this thread totaly leaves me in the dust here's a real simple question (Gotta be if I'm asking) - Three bottles; Gandalf, Shadowfax and Pirate's Booty. Two days caps off, One week caps on. PB is turning slightly but noticably darker than the other two. Anything to this, or just keep letting 'em steep ? Just asking....

 

[gthompson]

They're ready.

 

[Bronze]

Go for it.

 

[PapawBrett]

Pirate's Booty - (1st tobacco vape ever) - meh. Definatly tobaaco, maybe a nutty undertone, when dripped into plain eGo with LR1.5 atty. Little smoother in T3 with Twist @ 4.0. Maybe I'll just give it another week or two, then try again. I could see adding a few drops of another flavor (cherry ? Vanilla ? maybe even caramel ?) but for now more steeping.... but, like they say, all tastes are subjective.

 

[Bronze]

Oh, one other piece of advice Papa. Vape it till you like it.

 

[scarf-ace]

Bronze, I am trying to imagine the look on your face at seeing Pirate's Booty described as "meh"

Yes good Papa, vape it till you like it.

 

[bappo]

I had PB as a ok, so so , meh vape until it sat around for a month (or more) and then I ended up ordering 60 more ml. It is not a colored or flavored tobacco in that I cannot assign a choco, or fruit or grass or earth undertone or highlite to it. Just a good tobacco. My current 60 ml will sit undisturbed till it is ready.

 

[Mr.Mann]

When I was vaping HHV, I gravitated more to Dragon's Fire with it's dark honey like quality, than to Pirate's Booty with it's sweet rum like notes. It's been awhile since I vaped those, so if I got my signals crossed, forgive me.

 

[PapawBrett]

Bronze, I am trying to imagine the look on your face at seeing Pirate's Booty described as "meh"

Uh oh...Didn't mean to step on any toes

I had PB as a ok, so so , meh vape until it sat around for a month (or more) and then I ended up ordering 60 more ml. It is not a colored or flavored tobacco in that I cannot assign a choco, or fruit or grass or earth undertone or highlite to it. Just a good tobacco. My current 60 ml will sit undisturbed till it is ready.

Definatly the plan. We'll just let it sit awhile longer, an maybe in a few weeks it'll be where it needs to be. I think GT once suggested PB and SF might need a little extra steep time...

 

[LongDraw]

After much back and forth (between different GeJ juices and trying other vendors) I finally made a decision and ordered 30 more mls of wrangler light, 12 mls of both fire cured and patriot, also 3 mls of full throttle.

They are only 3 days old but just had to drip them some. I think the patriot reminds me a lot of dark horse from hhv, I get a floral or tea floral taste, though I like GeJ's more then the HHV juice and am interested to see what happens when it steeps. I am wondering if they use similar tobaccos or if it is just my imagination.

The fire cured I dripped last night and really enjoyed, so today put a ml into my genesis. I am really liking this juice. For only being 3 days old it has a strong flavor which I love. Very excited to see how this is with even a week steeped.

Based off what I have tried definitely have 3 winners. Vita Bella, Wrangler Light and Fire Cured (in no particular order).

I also have to say these are great juices, similar to HHV, that do not gunk coils right away. I can usually vape about 3 mls in my genesis before I feel I need to dry burn the coils to get gunk off. The juices from QuickNic I can't seem to really vape more then 1 ml before it is to gunked for my tastes.

Any other suggestions for NET juices? Strong flavor is very much enjoyed (like the three from GeJ), the cleaner juices is a plus as well.

Thanks again to all for the suggestions.

 

[Mr.Mann]

After much back and forth (between different GeJ juices and trying other vendors) I finally made a decision and ordered 30 more mls of wrangler light, 12 mls of both fire cured and patriot, also 3 mls of full throttle.

They are only 3 days old but just had to drip them some. I think the patriot reminds me a lot of dark horse from hhv, I get a floral or tea floral taste, though I like GeJ's more then the HHV juice and am interested to see what happens when it steeps. I am wondering if they use similar tobaccos or if it is just my imagination.

The fire cured I dripped last night and really enjoyed, so today put a ml into my genesis. I am really liking this juice. For only being 3 days old it has a strong flavor which I love. Very excited to see how this is with even a week steeped.

Based off what I have tried definitely have 3 winners. Vita Bella, Wrangler Light and Fire Cured (in no particular order).

I also have to say these are great juices, similar to HHV, that do not gunk coils right away. I can usually vape about 3 mls in my genesis before I feel I need to dry burn the coils to get gunk off. The juices from QuickNic I can't seem to really vape more then 1 ml before it is to gunked for my tastes.

Any other suggestions for NET juices? Strong flavor is very much enjoyed (like the three from GeJ), the cleaner juices is a plus as well.

Thanks again to all for the suggestions.

Devil Dog and Blue Grass Burley, period. If you like strong, DD has the might!

 

[SkinniePost]

1a = original
1b = original with extra extract
2 = choco gandalf, supposedly what they now call Serendipity (though I beg to differ)
3 = Cherrydalf (not really cherry, but something "cherryish" is present, probably just the tobacco)

They are all supposed to be straight tobacco extracts, and I can believe that, but there's something quite different between 1, 2 and 3. Different tobacco strains/leaves? I don't know.

HHV for sure uses Cavendish pipe tobacco for a lot of their NETs... Here is the Wiki definition to save myself some time...

"Cavendish is more a process of curing and a method of cutting tobacco than a type of it. The processing and the cut are used to bring out the natural sweet taste in the tobacco. Cavendish can be produced out of any tobacco type but is usually one of, or a blend of, Kentucky, Virginia, and Burley and is most commonly used for pipe tobacco and cigars.

The process begins by pressing the tobacco leaves into a cake about an inch thick. Heat from fire or steam is applied, and the tobacco is allowed to ferment. This is said to result in a sweet and mild tobacco. Finally the cake is sliced. These slices must be broken apart, as by rubbing in a circular motion between one's palms, before the tobacco can be evenly packed into a pipe. Flavoring is often added before the leaves are pressed. English Cavendish uses a dark flue or fire cured Virginia, which is steamed and then stored under pressure to permit it to cure and ferment for several days or weeks.

There are several colors, including the well-known Black Cavendish, numerous blends, and a wide range of flavors. Modern blends include flavors and ingredients such as cherry, chocolate, coconut, rum, strawberry, vanilla, walnut, and bourbon.

Cavendish tobacco originated in the late 16th century, when Sir Thomas Cavendish, commanded a ship in Sir Richard Grenville's expedition to Virginia in 1585, and discovered that by dipping tobacco leaves in sugar it produced a milder and more mellow smoke.

A typical mix of ingredients would be around 54 percent tobacco, 22 percent water, 8 percent alcohol (Glycerol/Sorbitol) and the rest sugars and specific flavoring (e.g., cherry)."

So the flavors you taste actually are flavors... They are just added to the tobacco before extraction. As you can see the highlighted portion which notes the common flavorings used in Cavendish pipe tobacco... Most of which commonly show up in the HHV line of NETs.

What do people think about adding flavor after the extraction versus using an extracted flavored tobacco base?

 

[SkinniePost]

Devil Dog and Blue Grass Burley, period. If you like strong, DD has the might!

Got my DD and BGB on the way, along with a healthy selection from GeJ... Already cleaning out hardware and getting excited, haha.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Also, for a strong tobacco, HoL Puros Naturales can work. It is behind FC which is behind DD. in terms of strength,, but it is assertive and quite clear.