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I knew it was some processing that imparted Cavendish traits, not a varietal or whatever of tobacco, but did not know the details. Nice info Johni!

I have been reading up a lot on tobaccos on Whole Tobacco Leaves by the Pound, Buy Tobacco Leaf, Bulk Tobacco, Fronto Leaf, Cigar Wrappers, Binders, and Fillers

This is where I plan to buy my DIY extraction 'baccos. I've heard several others do as well.
So much to learn! Funny, but when I smoked I knew little about what I sucked into my lungs!

I to am inspired to try extraction, inspired by Scarf's experience and beautiful documentation on her thread. You'll probably accomplish it before me so when you need a tester I'm available.
 

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So much to learn! Funny, but when I smoked I knew little about what I sucked into my lungs!

I to am inspired to try extraction, inspired by Scarf's experience and beautiful documentation on her thread. You'll probably accomplish it before me so when you need a tester I'm available.

I have your address, and will definitely use you and anyone else that is interested as my outside observer guinea pigs!

Scarf-ace's slow cooker extraction method is definitely the first I will try, but plan to try other methods as well, in a side-by-side controlled experiment fashion.
 

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I have your address, and will definitely use you and anyone else that is interested as my outside observer guinea pigs!

Scarf-ace's slow cooker extraction method is definitely the first I will try, but plan to try other methods as well, in a side-by-side controlled experiment fashion.

I want to get in on this. I'm starting to get into DIY and want too try it out too but it'd be nice to try what it would turn out like

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I want to get in on this. I'm starting to get into DIY and want too try it out too but it'd be nice to try what it would turn out like

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Will do! Just watch for a future post calling for volunteers, will likely be about a month or more, as I haven't purchased PG, VG, nic, or tobacco yet. Coffee I always have in ready supply, as well as teas. If you'd like, PM me now so I have you on my list.

Can't promise they will turn out good enough to even send out at first, but am relatively sure with my cooking and chemistry knowledge and background, eventually I should get something vapeable and maybe even pretty good.
 

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I want to get in on this. I'm starting to get into DIY and want too try it out too but it'd be nice to try what it would turn out like

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I'd suggest trying varios NETs and finding the kind of direction you want to go flavor wise. Find a blend, cigar and/or pipe, that fits the flavor profile and experiment with extracting it.
 

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What I plan to do is take the same single leaf and blends, and try the slow cooker extraction as well as PG/VG maceration slow extractions side by side, to see what turns out best, for MY taste. I may eventually try some OEA as well, but less sure.

Really, I've had enough NETs from various vendors to know that I can like or dislike anything regardless of method of extraction. It seems to be, for me, more related to the ingredients: the tobacco(s) used, the flavorings, aromatic versus non, etc. I've liked or even loved juices using alchol to extract, as well as ones that do not for instance.

But just reread your post, and realized you weren't talking about what kind of extraction, more about what flavor profile, AND to top it off, weren't even talking to me! :facepalm:
 

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What I plan to do is take the same single leaf and blends, and try the slow cooker extraction as well as PG/VG maceration slow extractions side by side, to see what turns out best, for MY taste. I may eventually try some OEA as well, but less sure.

Really, I've had enough NETs from various vendors to know that I can like or dislike anything regardless of method of extraction. It seems to be, for me, more related to the ingredients: the tobacco(s) used, the flavorings, aromatic versus non, etc. I've liked or even loved juices using alchol to extract, as well as ones that do not for instance.

But just reread your post, and realized you weren't talking about what kind of extraction, more about what flavor profile, AND to top it off, weren't even talking to me! :facepalm:

No problem, was just trying to help a visistor. You plan sounds great, keep us posted!

BTW, I found a site, tobaccoreviews.com. They rate different tobaccos on many aspects and hold clues as to why our NETs differ so much in potency.
 

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No problem, was just trying to help a visistor. You plan sounds great, keep us posted!

BTW, I found a site, tobaccoreviews.com. They rate different tobaccos on many aspects and hold clues as to why our NETs differ so much in potency.

Thanks will check that site out!

Update: I actually have been on this site, and have it bookmarked! Great resource!
 
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From Milton Sherman's Book All About Tobacco:

"The word "Cavendish," when applied to pipe tobacco, seems to intrigue the American pipe smoker. It is also a confusing word, probably because Cavendish is a description of both a type of pipe tobacco and a manner in which tobacco is cut.
Cavendish pipe tobacco has been growing in popularity in recent years, to the extent that today, even a few American tobacco companies are manufacturing it. There is no tobacco grown anywhere in the world that is known as a Cavendish tobacco.

The basic process in the manufacture of a Cavendish tobacco is to impregnate the leaf with a great quantity of casing sauces. The taste factor, rather than the aroma, is the primary concern of the manufacturer, and each processor may use different types of equipment and different methods to achieve this end.

The tobaccos used in the manufacture of Cavendish may be Virginia, Burley or Maryland, or any combination of these three types. In the process, the tobaccos are heavily cased with any or all of the following flavors: rum, maple, sugar, chocolate, licorice, honey, fruit and a few more that individual manufacturers may find on the chemists' shelves.

The creation of a Cavendish tobacco varies from country to country and from manufacturer to manufacturer. We will only discuss those areas from which the most widely known Cavendish tobaccos originate -- The United States, The United Kingdom, The Netherlands and Denmark.

Cavendish Manufactured in the United States:
In order to get the tobacco to accept the required amount of casings, it may be dipped (especially the Burleys) into a casing sauce or heavily sprayed with flavoring sauces. The tobacco is then allowed to bulk for a period of time, so that the tobacco and casings are wedded, after which it may be subjected to pressure. It can take weeks or months until the blend has properly accepted the casing materials. The color of the processed Cavendish ranges from a light brown to black, depending on the leaf and casings used.

Cavendisb Manufactured in the United Kingdom
The English manufacture their Cavendish only with a heavier grade of Flue-Cured Virginia tobacco. The tobacco is placed in molds and subjected to heavy pressure for three to four days. The pressure exerted on the processed tobacco causes the natural oils to rise, and because of the heavy natural sugar content of the Virginia leaf, the tobacco develops a sweet taste. Most of the Cavendish produced in Great Britain is then cut and incorporated into a blend.

Cavendish Manufactured in The Netherlands and Denmark
The Dutch and the Danes employ a slow manufacturing method, first steaming the tobacco to open the pores and then casing it very heavily. The tobacco is then placed in molds and subjected to pressure until a cake is formed. The cake completes the process and can be cut into bars and again into smaller pieces.

Black Cavendish Tobacco
The unusual Black Cavendish is a processed tobacco that each manufacturer prepares in a different manner. The two important steps employed, however, in all manufacturing of Black Cavendish are: 1. The dipping of the tobacco into various casing (flavoring) sauces (usually licorice) and 2. The steaming of the tobacco, which turns it black. Black Cavendish tobaccos can be manufactured from either Burley or Flue-Cured Virginia leaf. Usually, the heavier and darker leaf grades are used. Since this tobacco is heavily impregnated with flavorings, the taste is naturally influenced by the type of flavorings used.

Black Cavendish tobaccos usually have a slightly sweet taste and can either be smoked straight or incorporated into a mixture. Variations of the long cut are generally employed for better burning qualities.

Black Cavendish Manufactured in the United Kingdom
The Black Cavendish tobacco manufactured in the United Kingdom is made from the heavier and darker grades of Flue-Cured Virginia tobacco. As we will point out, the use of additives is severely restricted in the United Kingdom, so that the usual method of processing this tobacco is to "sweat" and steam it, causing it to turn black. The tobacco is then placed in a mold and subjected to pressure for one to several days. During this phase, additional steam may be applied. Eventually, a cake is formed, which is cut into bars and then sliced to the desired thickness. The result is a very mild, slightly sweet tobacco that can be smoked straight or incorporated into a blend.

Cavendish Cut Tobacco
The term "Cavendish cut" simply means a type of cut that is between a long or ribbon cut and a heavy fine cut."
 
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Found this informative.

"Cavendish is not a type of tobacco, but rather a fermentation process that infuses flavor and sweetness into the tobacco. After Virgina or Burley tobacco leaves are cured, they are then soaked/steamed with sugar-water or flavors, according to the tradition of the Cavendish process. The steaming/soaking allows the tobaccos leaves to accept the sweetness or flavors."

Also, keep in mind that the tobacco chosen for processes that add non-tobacco flavors are nearly always going to be the lower-quality tobaccos and tobacco products with more filler (the prime, most flavorful part of the leaf is the 6 to 8 inches from the center of the leaf, with the large veins discarded). This is for the same reason that restaurants always marinate Atlantic Salmon (which always has strong off-flavors, as opposed to Pacific Salmon) -- if you're going to add flavor then the underlying flavors matter less, and the quality of the product to which the flavor is added doesn't make a very big difference.
 

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When someone suggests Gorilla Juice and Boba's to a man asking for an RY4, there's nothing subjective about that.

While I agree with your statement...I also think that there are so many different opinions on just what boba's tastes like...and gorilla for that matter..I think the whole "taste is subjective" statement clearly applies here. Its an individuals personal opinion. Nothing more...
 
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