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I liked Renegade better than BH, but that isn't saying much. Gold was the only one I liked enough to reorder.
Did you get any tobacco to come through with Renegade? If it's just in the same category as the other two but a different flavor I'm guessing I'll still like it as a dessert vape. I like these rich, sweet type flavors, even gooey sweet like BH.
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It tastes like caramel popcorn with red hots to me. The caramel popcorn part was really good, not so much the red hots. It was confusing to my taste buds. I think the "red hots" were what was supposed to be tobacco.
Wouldn't hurt you to try it though, since you like the other two.
Wouldn't hurt you to try it though, since you like the other two.
The original recipe profile of Renegade had a nice synthetic tobacco kick to it (a lot more than Bounty Hunter, although that's hardly a testimonial). The original was sort of a lean, mean RY4 with stronger tobacco and the caramel/vanilla relegated to the background. The revised version of Renegade that began selling about six months after NLV opened had considerably more caramel and vanilla flavoring and was thus richer and sweeter, which served also to soften or even eliminate the punchiness of the tobacco. Subsequent reformulations of Renegade might exist, but I've been out of the NLV loop for a long time and know nothing about whether or not it's the same now as it was after that first reformulation in 2011.
Lol, you're probably right about the red hots taste coming from the tobacco flavoring. I'm sure even BH contains tobacco flavoring, but it's either not very authentic tobacco or, more likely, buried in the sweet flavors so much as to be playing just a slight role in the overall flavor. I haven't tried to pick out the notes of BH and Gold yet, or figure out what it tastes similar to to me, just rich and sweet with a taste I like. Seems less specific than Bobas (graham cracker) or House Blend (cookie dough).
If Renegade tastes like caramel popcorn, I can work with that. I haven't had a vape yet I would compare to popcorn. Just hope it isn't like my experience with buttered popcorn Jelly Beans. Way to ruin a handfull of variety flavored jelly beans with one popcorn flavored bean hiding in there Jelly Belly, you know it's hard to see good in a movie theater.
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Actually, five weeks. I still have some and it has to be going on three months by now. I'll give it another shot. I just haven't found any of the A+ non aro's that have struck my fancy yet. I've had far worse though. Horrible is a strong adjective. But so was my experience with it. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it. I'll give it another go this week and report back. I'll be sure to watch my adjectives.
Thanks for the info Bill. I'll give it a shot. I'm very late in the NLV game, most people seem to be been there, done that. Seems like they almost lost popularity after becoming easy to get at LiteCigUSA, though I'm sure they get a lot of regular business from fans.
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Actually, five weeks. I still have some and it has to be going on three months by now. I'll give it another shot. I just haven't found any of the A+ non aro's that have struck my fancy yet. I've had far worse though. Horrible is a strong adjective. But so was my experience with it. Just my opinion and worth what you paid for it. I'll give it another go this week and report back. I'll be sure to watch my adjectives.
Lol. No need to watch your adjectives, I wasn't asking you to. I just feel as mentioned before that part of the appeal of smooth criminal is that it's flavor isn't overbearing or obnoxious. I don't find Dragons fire to be horrible just very uninteresting to me. I don't find any HHV juices to be horrible just lacking. Others I thoroughly enjoy. I find some Ahlusion non-aro's a bit uninteresting but not horrible. Horrible to me would be Highbrow RY4 ..... Have you had that juice???
I didn't care for smooth criminal at first myself. It took a pretty long steep and all of a sudden it swept me off my feet. Now it's one of my favorites. Maybe after some time you will have the same experience you did with Vita Bella. I think that one gave you a good lesson in steeping if I'm not mistaken.
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Lol. No need to watch your adjectives, I wasn't asking you to. I just feel as mentioned before that part of the appeal of smooth criminal is that it's flavor isn't overbearing or obnoxious. I don't find Dragons fire to be horrible just very uninteresting to me. I don't find any HHV juices to be horrible just lacking. Others I thoroughly enjoy. I find some Ahlusion non-aro's a bit uninteresting but not horrible. Horrible to me would be Highbrow RY4 ..... Have you had that juice???
I didn't care for smooth criminal at first myself. It took a pretty long steep and all of a sudden it swept me off my feet. Now it's one of my favorites. Maybe after some time you will have the same experience you did with Vita Bella. I think that one gave you a good lesson in steeping if I'm not mistaken.
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"Horrible" probably was a bit over the top.
That said, while I find the non aro's a bit lab tasting, they are still better than many vendors I have sampled. I'm actually looking forward to the tea vapes. A+ kind of has a reputation (that I have gathered) as being an excellent tea and non-tobacco vendor. Though there are plenty of exceptions. Perhaps one day I will get around to their aro's. Right now I have plenty of good aro's for something I spend only 15% of my time on. And you could be right, SC (and the other A+ non aro's) might benefit from a three or four month steep. I'll find out. Meanwhile, it's nice to have a juice that sweeps you off your feet. Whether it be SC, DF, or any other juice. Never tried HB because people that I share similar taste with did not like it. As in, not at all". I chose to try other vendors. Cravin' Vapes is actually not too bad. I tried two of theirs off of PopPop's recommendation. They're OK, not quite reorderable, but not bad. I think that is one worthy of a try for those who haven't. They're kind of in line with HHV flavors.
Speaking of Highbrow, I grabbed a juice lot from the classies last week to get some Ahlusion Gold Rising and Honey Cured. The lot included Highbrow's French Honey Pipe. This is my first experience with anything from them. I tried it last night and was appalled. Nothing about this juice says French, or Honey, OR Pipe. All I get is peanuts and some weird, candied, citrus-like zing.
French Honey Pipe? getdafugouttahea
Personally, any juice that needs more than a couple of weeks steeping will not be reordered by me. *shrug*
"Horrible" probably was a bit over the top.
Bronze, Ahl is kind of unique in that it does all types of juice well; not a vendor that specializes in tobacco but has weak fruits, coffees, etc. or just has a few great and many mediocer juices. Each flavor has a thought out and finished quality, and what I've really been impressed by is their ability to nail certain beverages so they feel authentic.
I've really been enjoying Chai Latte, Saspirilla, and Caramel Pear Black Tea lately. The CPBT I can see working for people who mainly enjoy tobacco vapes, and I've heard the same about their other NETeas. Luce did a review on Yarba Mate a short while ago, and a lot of notes he used to describe it are similar to tobaccos. Haylike or grassy I think he used, and maybe slightly bitter. I've never drank Yarba Mate, so it will be a new taste experience for me, but Luce said it was pretty spot on to the drink. Hope the teas work for you too. Since you like tobacco, and if you like tea, I'm sure you'll find them at least interesting.
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What! No GJ4, Vita Bella? I thought HHV also get a lot better with time.
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I don't mind juices that continue to get better, but if it takes 2 or 3 weeks to become vapable, I'm not interested. All of the juices you just named get better with age, but all of them I can vape right out of the mailbox.
Gotchya. Yeah I could vape those from GeJ right away. I normally have too much on hand anyways so the steep time hasn't been an issue. OVER steeping was almost becoming an issue though. After several months of opening and closing a bottle to drip a little at a time some of my juices start loosing flavor at the last couple ml.
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I'm where GT is. I make an exception for Vita Bella, however. If it takes a month or two to become vapeable, I don't want to mess with it. Mainly because I have enough flavor choices that don't require a multi-month steep. It's simply a matter of convenience. And yes, many HHV NETs get even better after two months. But they are also very good after a week or two. It's like, "Gee, do I like steak or lobster more"?
You may want to stay away from Ahl's teas than Bronze, as they have a notoriously long steeping time needed. Chai Latte was actually good right away for me, but CPBT made a dramatic change. It was almost all caramel at first but turned into just a hint of caramel. I think for most of them it's the black tea aspect that takes a while to come to the front while the other flavorings take center stage in early life. Worth the wait for me but may not be for you.
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I've said similar things about HHV. They do many things well. Not all share that opinion. But consensus in this arena doesn't exist. I too am looking forward to finishing the remaining six A+ vapes. The gentleman who I swapped samples with gave me a nice A+ variety so I suspect there will be some that are better than others. Between the two I have tried from him plus the four I previously tried from another unnamed primate I have not found one I would reorder to this point. But more to go.
Another one who I found falls in this category is QnJ. And that's not to say I like all their flavors. In fact, I don't. But the ones I didn't like were still quality. No chemical, no lab, no floral, no perfume. Just naturally tasting flavors. Ones where I can easily see someone enjoying.
But overall, these kinds of vendors are truly far and few between.
Lol. No need to watch your adjectives, I wasn't asking you to. I just feel as mentioned before that part of the appeal of smooth criminal is that it's flavor isn't overbearing or obnoxious. I don't find Dragons fire to be horrible just very uninteresting to me. I don't find any HHV juices to be horrible just lacking. Others I thoroughly enjoy. I find some Ahlusion non-aro's a bit uninteresting but not horrible. Horrible to me would be Highbrow RY4 ..... Have you had that juice???
I didn't care for smooth criminal at first myself. It took a pretty long steep and all of a sudden it swept me off my feet. Now it's one of my favorites. Maybe after some time you will have the same experience you did with Vita Bella. I think that one gave you a good lesson in steeping if I'm not mistaken.
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Horrible Is a good adjective for Highbrows RY4, IMO. I've never enjoyed a tobacco less.
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