Natural Tobaccos

[scarf-ace]

Dang, Scarf. I've tried the other two now and your juice is top shelf! I don't care much for cigars but yours are excellent!

I've been following your extraction thread in the DIY forum with interest. Finally got up the nerve to discuss extraction with my domestic goddess and it ain't happening in her kitchen! May get fired up out in my tool shed when it quits snowing here. Consider me inspired!

Thanks Johni! Just FYI the Carmen is a high-end chocolate-flavored RYO cigarette blend of Burley and Virginia, from the excellent online merchant cigars. com .au I named it Carmen for the chocolate, and of course the fictional gypsy cigarette-maker who is a bit of an icon for me.

The cook process actually doesn't smell that bad at all. But I recommend buying a cheap crock pot dedicated to tobacco, because it gets a bit grimy, and your spouse will give you dirty looks.

That is the phoenix V3 scarf! I have one! It's a little tricky to set up. The posts aren't the best quality. I would really go with an IGO-l for a bigger mod or an IGO-S for an ego
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Yup. This is why I am struggling with it.

It's your fault. You got me onto the mesh wicks for the drippers and now I can't go back

 

[Jerms]

RD, I think you may like a couple from The Plume Room. They don't get much love on this thread, but they do make some really good juices. M Type is a cigarette NET. I don't remember much about it except it wasn't complex but I must have liked it because I vaped it up real quick. Menthol Type is the only tobacco I haven't had from them but I'm guessing it's M Type with menthol. Honey Fig Tobacco oddly enough had an analog feel to it. The honey and fig are noticable, but it comes together as a really good juice.

My personal favorite was the Smooth & Mild, even though it's an arti-bacco. Arctic Cowboy is their other arti-bacco and is a basic tobacco with mint and vanilla. I wasn't crazy about it, but considered a well-made juice. And of course Candied Cavendish is a must for any banana tobacco fans.

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[VaporMizer]

What I'm looking for right now is simple.... where the heck did I put my other 18650 battery?


OH... this is about NET's... that's right.

For the last year... I've found several great tasting e-liquids and right off... I actually found 3 that were NET's and have great flavor ( to me ) but the flavor was complex. I have been able to cut my smoking up to 1/3 of what it was ( usually 1/2 )... but nothing would let me kick that last bit.

About the middle of February I started getting fed up and finally started trying to pay more attention to what it was I thought I was missing. I believe I've narrowed it down to a couple of things... use a higher VG ratio to give me a thicker "feeling" vapor, not a denser fog but the actual thickness it feels like to my throat and lungs.... I actually hadn't realized this fully until I tried a e-liquid I didn't care for the flavor of but what only available in a high VG ( W2V Paris ) and found it really satisfying despite my not liking the flavor profile it has.

The other part that I think I was missing was that the tobacco vapes I had been using were actually too complex/interesting and not a simple straight up flavor... without much character like an actual cig has ( or doesn't as it were ). Basically a non-descript type of non-aromatic. There were two NET vendors that fell into this category pretty well... GeJ and MVJ... GeJ doesn't allow custom PG/VG ratios... so naturally it looks like MVJ is going to be it.

I sort of suspect that the reason TCPj doesn't like MVJ as much... is probably the very reason that it is working for what I think my needs are.

Along the way... I've also found some great, more complex ones... I'll still have these others in my rotation just because they are interesting. I will also re-visit the two W2V's that were not quite my style again after a week or two more steep. I haven't tried any Ahl yet and from some of the previous reviews... they may be a bit much for me... but I'll give them a go none the less.

I'm still mainly looking for a cigarette replacement too, rdsok.

Something else that you may have found satisfying about the Vapenstein Paris juice could have been tobacco absolute, which I suspect may be used discretely in the Vapenstein Blends. I haven't tried Paris yet because European cigarette tobacco sucks IMO. Check out the first post here:

Vapenstein Addo Scientia

Specifically to my point:

Tobacco Absolute- this is a concentrate of natural tobacco extract. There must be something more to the process that makes it, because this is generally nicotine-free. It is extremely potent, and actually gives a somewhat ashy taste. Used with an extremely delicate hand, it actually imparts a sense of burning tobacco. Odd, because there is no reason it should, being a concentrate of tobacco extract. A vendor I really like makes juice that uses tobacco absolute to wonderful effect. I can't detect it, but I know it's a primary ingredient in all their tobacco vapes. Almost every other juice that uses tobacco absolute sticks out like a sore thumb, because used indiscriminately it makes the juice taste like straight ash tray.

Tobacco absolute is an important blending ingredient that, used well, adds a note that helps your brain accept vaping as a cigarette replacement. The problem here is that almost no juice uses it well, so most vendors would do well to steer clear of using it.

The key to Tobacco Absolute seems to be extreme dilution. I'm using TA that's already diluted with 50% alcohol and further diluting that by using only 3 drops of that into 3ml PG and then using about 5 drops of that in 10ml of juice along with a little Hangsen Desert Ship and Turkish Blend Tobacco Essence flavoring (these Hangsen Tobacco Essences also contain diluted tobacco extract of some kind). All this will be just my exhale/Turkish component when perfected. Tobacco Absolute itself is also extracted from Bulgarian Oriental ( "Turkish" ) tobacco.

I next plan on adding a DIY extract of Toasted Burley as the main inhale/body component. I also want to try blending in some of Hangsen's Lucky Strike Tobacco Essence (Lucky Strikes are mainly Toasted Burley with some Turkish) so I can have a bolder flavor while using less NET for a cleaner vape.

I was going to go ahead and DIY extract Burley, Virginia, and Turkish but decided Toasted Burley would be better to extract.....Virginia has too much sugar to clog the coil and Turkish tobacco really does smell like old socks....I can get a convincing suggestion of Virginia/Turkish sweetness from the Desert Ship TE while the Turkish Blend provides a fairly convincing Turkish earthiness without the stinky feet room note. Toasted Burley has a deep rich flavor with not much sugar...screams quality old time American Cigarette.

So my point is: Hybrids...that's where it's going to be at for cigarette-like vapor IMO.

 

[Thucydides]

As somebody that just got started out in NET's recently and also that just started following this thread this morning, you guys sound like a dysfunctional family running a parallel branch of the same business but from different states.

Some of the juices mentioned here today, I've never even heard of, but I'm beginning to get very afraid for my bank balance, because I am going to have to sample them somehow... right!! Right?!

Dammit, I knew I should have unsubscribed right away!

This is the best thread ever. It's not normally a flame-fest, but with 7,600+ posts, I like to think that the occasional flame fest adds to the variety and scope of the ongoing conversation. And yeah, the bank balance thing is a definite problem.

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

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Edit: Pocket post, lol

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[scarf-ace]

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I think that may be too much abbreviation even for me

 

[NoMoreTequila]

Lately I have been venting my frustration with something that has bothered me for quite a while. Regrettably, most of my venting has come in the form of drunken pot shots in the wee hours of the morning.
Like many have, I've read this thread and in doing so I've noticed some disturbing patterns.
MM was a force on here. Before his rather strange departure, I believe he considered this his thread. I saw him post a link recently for a place to purchase WTA juice that he intended to thoroughly Vett but the Mods had blocked the link. I don't see why he has not posted here even once.
But any way, MM had an engaging energy and was well admired. Many sought out and jockeyed for his friendship. (TCP and Nick are good examples) ( I think rdsox would enjoy nothing more than a pat on the head from MM)
My point is that MM held back endorsing most any juice vendor save A+ and GeJ and mysteriously did an about face on HHV. He was OP on the Five Favorite Vendors thread but could only come up with two himself.
I realize that MM's girl is having a baby and for what ever reason is indisposed. I'm not scoring any points with this and MM's crony's are going to viciously attack me again but I feel like this needed to be said. Have at it boys!

 

[VaporMizer]

I think that may be too much abbreviation even for me

Maybe it's some kind of Da Vinci Code cipher?

 

[Jerms]

Nomo, you make a whole lot of assumptions in that post. I too have a bad habit of doing that, just how my mind works. I've had to learn that just like everyone else, my assumptions are usually off or just plain wrong, especially if I think I know other peoples motivations or the way they think or feel. I'm not a mind-reader and neither are you, and so much of what you state is just plain incorrect. You should give some thought that what you think you know about other people might not be as accurate as you think.

Mr. Mann might have acheived mythical status to you, but I'm guessing that most others like me just considered him another person posting on the forum. If you find some people like a lot of the same vendors as him, you need to consider that a lot of the times people have similar tastes. Also, since there really is only a handful of great NET vendors, there will be people who like the same. Your finding links to things the are just not true.

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[TheCatsPajamas]

Thanks Johni! Just FYI the Carmen is a high-end chocolate-flavored RYO cigarette blend of Burley and Virginia, from the excellent online merchant cigars. com .au I named it Carmen for the chocolate, and of course the fictional gypsy cigarette-maker who is a bit of an icon for me.

The cook process actually doesn't smell that bad at all. But I recommend buying a cheap crock pot dedicated to tobacco, because it gets a bit grimy, and your spouse will give you dirty looks.



Yup. This is why I am struggling with it.

It's your fault. You got me onto the mesh wicks for the drippers and now I can't go back

Ok Scarf. What I ended up doing was rolling the mesh, wrapping a coil, put the wick in the coil leaving excess kanthal then..... Unscrew the screws from the posts a bit and then just wrap the kanthal around the screws a few times and tighten the screws. Only way that it had worked for me


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[Hulamoon]

Oh I dunno Nomo. I suspect that after trying many different nets, that Ahlusion and GeJ became his standards of personal choice. What with that and his lady expecting probably their first child, he just sorta moved on. Thing is you got it off your chest and hopefully off your mind now.

Don't know what Mann's new NET vendor was/is - but I have one I just received some juice from them. I found them in January but they've just started producing - haven't tried it yet. They don't supply WTA only liquid, but they have some tobaccos with WTA in them. They're called WholeCig LLC. and they're in Denver I believe. Not sure if they're properly up and running yet. Bit pricey but maybe you can have a google.

And thanks to Luce for starting it, and for all those contributing to it, but it's for all of us who are on it as of now. That's you - and me and all of us - Time and Mr Mann may move on - but I for one, ain't planning on going anywhere any time soon. Hope that helps.

Lately I have been venting my frustration with something that has bothered me for quite a while. Regrettably, most of my venting has come in the form of drunken pot shots in the wee hours of the morning.
Like many have, I've read this thread and in doing so I've noticed some disturbing patterns.
MM was a force on here. Before his rather strange departure, I believe he considered this his thread. I saw him post a link recently for a place to purchase WTA juice that he intended to thoroughly Vett but the Mods had blocked the link. I don't see why he has not posted here even once.
But any way, MM had an engaging energy and was well admired. Many sought out and jockeyed for his friendship. (TCP and Nick are good examples) ( I think rdsox would enjoy nothing more than a pat on the head from MM)
My point is that MM held back endorsing most any juice vendor save A+ and GeJ and mysteriously did an about face on HHV. He was OP on the Five Favorite Vendors thread but could only come up with two himself.
I realize that MM's girl is having a baby and for what ever reason is indisposed. I'm not scoring any points with this and MM's crony's are going to viciously attack me again but I feel like this needed to be said. Have at it boys!

 

[TheCatsPajamas]

Lately I have been venting my frustration with something that has bothered me for quite a while. Regrettably, most of my venting has come in the form of drunken pot shots in the wee hours of the morning.
Like many have, I've read this thread and in doing so I've noticed some disturbing patterns.
MM was a force on here. Before his rather strange departure, I believe he considered this his thread. I saw him post a link recently for a place to purchase WTA juice that he intended to thoroughly Vett but the Mods had blocked the link. I don't see why he has not posted here even once.
But any way, MM had an engaging energy and was well admired. Many sought out and jockeyed for his friendship. (TCP and Nick are good examples) ( I think rdsox would enjoy nothing more than a pat on the head from MM)
My point is that MM held back endorsing most any juice vendor save A+ and GeJ and mysteriously did an about face on HHV. He was OP on the Five Favorite Vendors thread but could only come up with two himself.
I realize that MM's girl is having a baby and for what ever reason is indisposed. I'm not scoring any points with this and MM's crony's are going to viciously attack me again but I feel like this needed to be said. Have at it boys!

It's not about having at it man!!!! Like Jerms said you make a whole bunch of assumptions. Here ya go not that it is any of your damn business but just like most people posting on here can be very addictive and time consuming and Mr. Mann (for whatever reason) has more important things to do like TAKE CARE OF A BABY. I don't know if you have kids but I'm guessing you don't because it is a radical change in the beginning and requires 100% of your time if you are being the type of father you should be. Anyone can have a baby but it takes a man to be a father. You've read this thread you see how many posts he has here do you think it was just easy to walk away..... He had to.

I didn't jockey for anyone's friendship. We became friends because of a mutual fascination with Nets and happen to both like the same kind. And we also have am some differences in taste as well. I've spent more time in the last few months on the phone with him than most people close to me in my life. I owe that dude more than you ever know. He has literally helped create a major change my life aside from just juice and those close to me like Nick know what in talking about and someday in the near future you may too. Not to mention that top 5 vendor thread you speak of is the reason I found ECF and became a member. Call me a crony or a fanboy or whatever it really makes no difference but don't disrespect me or the people here who contribute to this thread. We have never sought out to blatantly disrespect you. I'm sorry you have felt such great frustration but you have no right to take it out on us man. Take solace in the fact I probably won't be around here much longer but ill be forever grateful for the friends I've made here.


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[Jerms]

Hula, you're a classy lady.

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[Jerms]

TCP, you too are a really classy lady... wait, I mean stand-up guy. Sounds like you got something interesting in the works, very cool.

Nomo, one thing I think you were right on is Mann was (is) well liked and respected, though probably not idolized as much as you think. The reason was because he showed others a lot of respect and treated others well. Those are strong characteristics and people respond to that.

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[Hulamoon]

Hula, you're a classy lady
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.......Or Man..... Oh wait! I just did that earlier today.

Shucks. Thank you

 

[johni]

In the long run, it really isn't practical to be binge purchasing juice from many different vendors for an extended period of time. Logically, most people will find the juices and vendors that suit their individual tastes and start to exclude others.

We have scoured through just about all of the NET vendors throughout this thread and thoroughly discussed their products, often repeatedly. Bias toward certain vendors has developed because those are the handful of vendors that most adept at creating good tobacco juices!

When Mann started that 5 vendor thread he was still on his journey of discovery. His last post there was completely different from his his first as he had sampled another thirty plus juices in the meantime and started to figure out what he really liked. Most of us have had a similar journey and arrived at some of the same logical conclusions (to date). While tastes differ, common ground exists. The bottom line is some vendors have developed superior products that appeal to a large target audience.

I wanted to post on that 5 vendor thread but didn't even have 5 to list at that time. I do now, but will most likely be reordering from only 3 so what's the point? Bias toward certain vendors? Yes! The ones that make the stuff I like!

 

[Dusty_D]

Good morning NET'ers. I thought it may be prudent to introduce myself if I am going to crash your thread, so here goes..

I've been on the hunt for a nice sweet (not too much) complex pipe tobacco that I can use with my e-pipes. I'm big on rich and complex flavours and Tasty Vapor's Geoffs Blend used to be my ADV for well over 2.5 years until they had to stop making it. One of the reason Geoffs Blend was my ADV was because it was a blend of some of TV's already premixed juices. Banana Nut Bread, Atomic Cinnacide and Butter Rum were a few of the components that went into it's make up. Depending of votage vaped at, certain nuances were highlighted while others took a back seat. Vaped cool it was a rich Banana butter rum flavour, vaped hotter the cinnamon and rum high notes came through. It made for a mouth watering concoction that I never tired off in the whole time I used it as an ADV.

I've currently settled on HHV's Dragon's Fire as a favorite for my pipe tobacco. I've tried a couple other of their NET's and while I do like some of the others, DF seems to hit a lot of good points for me. That being said, HHV are the ONLY NET's I've tried.

Price of juice, and shipping to Canada are big determining factors for me too. I really don't care about packaging etc as I'm more used to buying 10 and 20 oz of juice at a time.

As for juice strengths, I'm a 70/30 12mg vaper.

I'll leave the rest up to y'all to recommend how or who I should proceed with next..

 

[gthompson]

Dang, there goes the neighborhood.

 

[Bronze]

Good morning NET'ers. I thought it may be prudent to introduce myself if I am going to crash your thread, so here goes..

I've been on the hunt for a nice sweet (not too much) complex pipe tobacco that I can use with my e-pipes. I'm big on rich and complex flavours and Tasty Vapor's Geoffs Blend used to be my ADV for well over 2.5 years until they had to stop making it. One of the reason Geoffs Blend was my ADV was because it was a blend of some of TV's already premixed juices. Banana Nut Bread, Atomic Cinnacide and Butter Rum were a few of the components that went into it's make up. Depending of votage vaped at, certain nuances were highlighted while others took a back seat. Vaped cool it was a rich Banana butter rum flavour, vaped hotter the cinnamon and rum high notes came through. It made for a mouth watering concoction that I never tired off in the whole time I used it as an ADV.

I've currently settled on HHV's Dragon's Fire as a favorite for my pipe tobacco. I've tried a couple other of their NET's and while I do like some of the others, DF seems to hit a lot of good points for me. That being said, HHV are the ONLY NET's I've tried.

Price of juice, and shipping to Canada are big determining factors for me too. I really don't care about packaging etc as I'm more used to buying 10 and 20 oz of juice at a time.

As for juice strengths, I'm a 70/30 12mg vaper.

I'll leave the rest up to y'all to recommend how or who I should proceed with next..

Dust...I think the best approach as you take your journey through NETville is to select known vendors and try a variety of their flavors. You've seen some of the same vendors repeated throughout this thread. I'd start with those. Goodejuice, Ahlusion, Quicknic, Want2Vape, The Plume Room, MOV, My Vape Juice, others. My personal recommendation would be to start with Goodejuice as it seems they have as big a following as any here and I have yet to hear anyone dislike their NETs. Look over their "House Brewed" NET line (I'll link) as those are the popular NETs. Get back to us with any questions you might have that would help you pinpoint the ones that might fit your profile. There is an abundance of knowledge as it concerns GeJ. Take advantage of it.

House Brewed e Juice | Goodejuice.com

 

[Nick Fantastic]

Thanks for crashin', D! Glad to see you're loading up the pipes with the right stuff! ePipes and NET's are a match made in heaven.

If you want to go less-sweet (HHV is as sweet as NET's get, so you don't have a choice ) and try your hand at some nice tobacco funk, listen to Bronze. Goodejuice's House Brewed line. They are some of the most well-crafted NET's on the market, and the few flavored options are very good as well. GJ4 if you like caramel. Vita Bella if you like vanilla (and don't mind waiting a few months for it to make itself known).

The new MOV Gold Label line has also seen a fair amount of love since it's inception. They would all be worth a shot, save possibly Southern Gentleman and Apache. There is a good amount sweetness to them, and they have a certain smoothness reminiscent of HHV. What sets them apart from HHV, in my opinion, is the tobacco is a little more at the fore. They are a tad more complex and in your face, yet still very approachable for the newcomer. A possible good starting point, and great prices on 3-packs of 15ml bottles.

MyVapeJuice does mostly single leaf extractions, and has flavored variations of each extraction. They are relatively on the mild side as well, but surely worth a look depending on your flavor-shaper preferences. The new Banging Butterscotch version of Wicked Wench might be up your alley since you like butter rum? Again, great prices. And 10% off through Sunday with code: FLASH

I could probably go on forever. I'll stop for now, lest the accusations of cronyism and idol worship start to fly again.
Try Ahlusion's new flavored aromatics!
Mornin', nomo.