Natural Tobaccos

[Mr.Mann]

I'd be interested in learning how a tobacco is extracted and turned into a juice ingedient...if anyone knows. What exactly is being extracted and is there any seperation process once it is extracted. I'm just clueless on the subject.

This is tricky. Some are just soaking and that is simple enough. Others are doing a very high-tech CO2 extraction process or something equally involved, think high-end NET, and others are doing secret filtration processes. Everyone has some secret, but most, that are worthy of mentioning, will at least tell you the freakin' leaves. The best I can say is to contact the vendor and ask them. I have several different processes in my head, but there comes a point where I am not sure what info is privileged and what isn't. I will try and explain more tomorrow if I can.

If you can't tell me a single tobacco leaf going into your juice, I ain't buying it metaphorically or literally. That's my word.

 

[Bronze]

This is tricky. Some are just soaking and that is simple enough. Others are doing a very high-tech CO2 extraction process or something equally involved, think high-end NET, and others are doing secret filtration processes. Everyone has some secret, but most, that are worthy of mentioning, will at least tell you the freakin' leaves (ya' here me HHV?!). The best I can say is to contact the vendor and ask them. I have several different processes in my head, but there comes a point where I am not sure what info is privileged and what isn't. I will try and explain more tomorrow if I can.

If you can't tell me a single tobacco leaf going into your juice, I ain't buying it metaphorically or literally. That's my word.

Well, having lived in NC for the better part of 15 years and seeing tobacco field after tobacco field when I first moved here (not so much anymore), I can say with confidence that a tobacco plant has a beautiful, white bloom on it...at least the popular variety here in this state. Beyond this and a few harvesting and drying techniques as explained by the native farmers, I couldn't tell you much more about tobacco. How and what is extracted from a tobacco plant would be interesting to know and then how it is transformed into a vapeable ingredient would be even more interesting. Get a good night's sleep Mr. Mann and we'll see if you have anything to add tomorrow.

 

[Victor Vandyke]

I'd be interested in learning how a tobacco is extracted and turned into a juice ingedient...if anyone knows. What exactly is being extracted and is there any seperation process once it is extracted. I'm just clueless on the subject.

Herbal (read that as plant material) extraction techniques are nothing new, it's been done for many centuries. There are basic decoctions, like making tea or coffee with heated water; and basic infusions (chop up the material and soak it in water, alcohol, or in our specific example often PG, with no or little heat involved) my understanding is that there are other more modern (don't necessarilly read that as "better") twists on these ancient methods that involve other carriers. I've heard of CO2 and Butane and I'd expext that there are other methods as well, but I'm not at all well versed in this area. Mr. Mann may have more to add here. Separation processes can be as simple as filtering through various media (like a coffee filter) to settling techniques, to added ingredients that aid in separation. But keep in mind that separation removes more organic plant material (suspended particulates) and it changes the end product (this is why so many of our favorite vapes are also atty cloggers, removing more of the original plant material also removes more of the original character of the plant). The end result is a suspension, where the extracted product (and any other desired added ingredients/flavorings) is mixed with VG/PG to obtain the desired "vapable" result. The process is not rocket science, it's the art of the taste that is the "secret" ingredient. Like a skilled chef, or a great band, or any other art, the processes are well established, but the end result is very much more of an artistic endeavor than scientific. And beauty lies in the eye of the beholder...

 

[Hulamoon]

HHV Huntsman WOWZER! I've had it sitting for quite awhile (which is pretty easy to do - just buy so many, that you can't possibly get to them all at the same time). If I recall, Tez says its a variant of Gandalf. Bronze or gt or both or neither (lol) says completely different. I'm tending to side with Bronze on this one. Luce was spot on with his review. This is a great vape for a tobacco seeking vaper. Not sweet. Definitely earthy woodsy flavor to me, not so much grassy as the taste of chomping on a piece of dried hay. I'd love to expound on the tobaccos this comprises but I'm not familiar with pipe tobacco. Love it, love it, love it. Here's Luceboy's earlier review for those who missed it
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...scussion/274904-natural-tobaccos-4-print.html

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

If I recall, Tez says its a variant of Gandalf.

Did I really say that? Or perhaps it was my evil twin with the goatee from the parallel universe? Hmmm.... a mystery.

 

[Hulamoon]

Yikes! It WAS your evil twin with the goatee from the parallel universe! TIBZ! He done it. Meanwhile...its GROVEL time!! mucho grovelling oh good twin without the goatee from the same universe. Sheesh, I'm in trouble! Back to the subject.. Huntsman - it's wonderful stuff!

Did I really say that? Or perhaps it was my evil twin with the goatee from the parallel universe? Hmmm.... a mystery.

 

[Victor Vandyke]

Yikes! It WAS your evil twin with the goatee from the parallel universe! TIBZ! He done it. Meanwhile...its GROVEL time!! mucho grovelling oh good twin without the goatee from the same universe. Sheesh, I'm in trouble! Back to the subject.. Huntsman - it's wonderful stuff!

Indeed, Huntsman is Huntsman, it is it's own unique experience, and quite a great one at that. IMHO Heather is one of those few current artisinal masters of the craft which we all enjoy.

This NET vaping is all so relatively new and we're all constantly learning here; that's so much a part of the fun...

And kudos to Luce and all the other contributors for bringing us like-minded individuals together in this thread.

I don't know where Luce has been as of late but I suppose that he is proud of where his thread is going, especially with the newer appreciative members who are "getting it", mysef included.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Yikes! It WAS your evil twin with the goatee from the parallel universe! TIBZ! He done it. Meanwhile...its GROVEL time!! mucho grovelling oh good twin without the goatee from the same universe. Sheesh, I'm in trouble! Back to the subject.. Huntsman - it's wonderful stuff!

LOL! No grovelling necessary! I'm just glad to know I'm not going crazy, because you had me wondering for a second! Yeah, that Huntsman is a good one.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Did I really say that? Or perhaps it was my evil twin with the goatee from the parallel universe? Hmmm.... a mystery.

Nope. It was me that said that. I haven't had Huntsman in awhile, but (for the umpteenth time), a lot of my assertions were made when they were using a lot less extract. It was very much a different experience and it was essentially the difference between looking at something far away to looking at it under a magnifying glass. Hey Tez, do you remember how less vocal the juices were in the beginning? Don't get me wrong, they were awesome. (I wish the option to purchase both ways was available!!!!)

 

[Bronze]

Herbal (read that as plant material) extraction techniques are nothing new, it's been done for many centuries. There are basic decoctions, like making tea or coffee with heated water; and basic infusions (chop up the material and soak it in water, alcohol, or in our specific example often PG, with no or little heat involved) my understanding is that there are other more modern (don't necessarilly read that as "better") twists on these ancient methods that involve other carriers. I've heard of CO2 and Butane and I'd expext that there are other methods as well, but I'm not at all well versed in this area. Mr. Mann may have more to add here. Separation processes can be as simple as filtering through various media (like a coffee filter) to settling techniques, to added ingredients that aid in separation. But keep in mind that separation removes more organic plant material (suspended particulates) and it changes the end product (this is why so many of our favorite vapes are also atty cloggers, removing more of the original plant material also removes more of the original character of the plant). Again, nothing even remotely new in this regard. The end result is a suspension, where the extracted product (and any other desired added ingredients/flavorings) are mixed with VG/PG to obtain the desired "vapable" result. The process is not rocket science, it's the art of the taste that is the "secret" ingredient. Like a skilled chef, or a great band, or any other art, the processes are well established, but the end result is very much more of an artistitic endeavor than scientific. And beauty lies in the eye of the beholder...

Nice primer Vic. And I suspect another big factor in deciding the end flavor/feel would be the tobacco variety that is being extracted. As you say, the end result is far more artistic than scientific.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Herbal (read that as plant material) extraction techniques are nothing new, it's been done for many centuries. There are basic decoctions, like making tea or coffee with heated water; and basic infusions (chop up the material and soak it in water, alcohol, or in our specific example often PG, with no or little heat involved) my understanding is that there are other more modern (don't necessarilly read that as "better") twists on these ancient methods that involve other carriers. I've heard of CO2 and Butane and I'd expext that there are other methods as well, but I'm not at all well versed in this area. Mr. Mann may have more to add here. Separation processes can be as simple as filtering through various media (like a coffee filter) to settling techniques, to added ingredients that aid in separation. But keep in mind that separation removes more organic plant material (suspended particulates) and it changes the end product (this is why so many of our favorite vapes are also atty cloggers, removing more of the original plant material also removes more of the original character of the plant). Again, nothing even remotely new in this regard. The end result is a suspension, where the extracted product (and any other desired added ingredients/flavorings) are mixed with VG/PG to obtain the desired "vapable" result. The process is not rocket science, it's the art of the taste that is the "secret" ingredient. Like a skilled chef, or a great band, or any other art, the processes are well established, but the end result is very much more of an artistitic endeavor than scientific. And beauty lies in the eye of the beholder...

Better you than me, Vic! This was a great synopsis and wrangling of pertinent aspects of the question at hand. It would've been hard for me to type that up the way you did. Good read, Vic.

 

[gthompson]

I'm about to get educated beyond my intelligence in this thread.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I'm about to get educated beyond my intelligence in this thread.

I went to like your post, but it doesn't quite feel right to "like" it. LOL

 

[gthompson]

hahahahaha

 

[Mr.Mann]

GT, can you absolutely not vape 18 mg, or is 12 mg just mostly what you vape? I am going to be ordering Smoking Cherries (when available) and was wondering if you wanted to take a 3 mL for a spin?

 

[gthompson]

I can vape 18 just fine. I just don't prefer it that high. I have a couple or three bottles of 18mg I hadn't finished when I cut down on the nic that I still pull out occasionally.

I had actually cut down to 6-8mg at one point, but I've bumped it back up a little recently. It was the only way I could put my PV down long enough to eat and sleep.

 

[Victor Vandyke]

Nice primer Vic. And I suspect another big factor in deciding the end flavor/feel would be the tobacco variety that is being extracted. As you say, the end result is far more artistic than scientific.

Agreed, absolutely. I wish that all of the vendors would inform us of the leaf being used.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Got it! I am one of the rare vapers that decided to increase his nic. It's a long story as to why I couldn't vape high nic at first and why I can now, but it's all good. It has to do with other activities I used to be involved in. Stims and stims don't mix well.

 

[gthompson]

Agreed, absolutely. I wish that all of the vendors would inform us of the leaf being used.

Some of them probably don't know.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Agreed, absolutely. I wish that all of the vendors would inform us of the leaf being used.

Yes! Yes!