Natural Tobaccos

[DirewolfUSMC]

Try this one: Chicago Symphony Orchestra Listen & Watch



Hey, if I can't have Henrik Lundquist, Patrice will just have to suffice. Wonder what's wrong with him?

Mr Scarf and I have a pact. On that day in the indefinite future when Salma Hayek, Christina Hendricks, Maria Sharapova and Monica Bellucci come to sweep him off his feet, I am permitted to run away with Daniel Craig, Idris Elba, Javier Bardem, and Henrik. We're very understanding that way.

Mrs. Wolf and I have a similar arrangement - funny how that seems to be a universal system world wide!

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

Patrice hauled off in an ambulance? What's that about?

Not sure, might be a head injury requiring overnight observation? But I didn't see him take any head shots so who knows.

Closest hospital to the arena is the Rush University Medical Center so they probably took him there. Scarfy, look up their number and see if you can get a call into his room - at least you can get to talk to him that way!

 

[Bronze]

Well, looks like the Hawks might be without Toews for Game 6. It's only fair if the Bruins lose their star.

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

Well, looks like the Hawks might be without Toews for Game 6. It's only fair if the Bruins lose their star.

This series is far from over, for sure. Coach Q is addressing the media right now, hopefully someone will ask about Toews....

 

[Bronze]

Thanks for the CSO vid Scarf.

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

Coach Q was very elusive and ambiguous concerning any questions regarding the health of Toews, as he usually is. I'm not sure if Toews is hurt too bad though, he remained on the bench and was fist bumping everyone at the end of the game. Maybe he will be OK for Monday, maybe he won't.

 

[scarf-ace]

(Cross-posted from QNJ thread)

Your Name Turkish tobacco: 18mg, 50/50, Iclear 16 clearomizer, 3.9volts

My name: "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)"

This is so damn good. This is honestly what I always wanted a Turkish tobacco to be, smooth, medium-bodied and rich with a woodsy toasted exhale that lingers for minutes on my tongue after exhaling. Curiously, I detect a mild tartness/acidity as well, but that does nothing to distract from the unified flavor. If you taste in color, this is a warm taupe. The only sweetness is from the glycerine: it is not overly sweetened at all. Folks who liked the old Camel Turkish Royal analogs (in the blue box-EleanorR, I'm looking at you) will go absolutely gaga over this. The tobacco is forthright but not harsh, not in the least. I have vaped an entire Iclear-full and might fill it again rather than moving on to the other samples. Throat hit is moderate and vapor is plentiful.

This is a masterpiece. Zoomed to the "cannot be without it" level within 3mls. Rich, I'm going to be emailing you to see if we can work something out with shipping. If not, I'm going to get a mule to buy it for me and ship. Seriously, that good.

 

[MFToms59]

Hey MFToms59, when you finally catch up to the thread, welcome

Thanks, I'm getting closer, started this thread May 24th, it's been great... more to follow soon.

 

[AnthonyB]

I have found it difficult to appreciate vita bella so far. Many people say it takes a long time to steep to it's peak. Mine is now getting close to 2 months but I have put it back in the steep draw. I think it needs longer. I am detecting the vanilla notes to it now.

Acadian Gold has just a slight touch of natural sweetness after the exhale. The straw notes remind me of sweetgrass. I posted something to this effect several hundred posts ago with some more detail.

Vita Bella is just getting to a steep point of about 2.5 months. The flavor I'm getting from it now is vanilla on top of Acadian Gold. A very pleasant surprise.

 

[AnthonyB]

Direwolf,

I can't speak for GeJ's M type lite as I have not tried it. What I have tried though is my own DIY with M Type concentrate from Flavour apprentice which has a strong leafy flavour and quite pungent. I find it most unpleasant but then again that may have been user error in my mixture. In the bottle, the concentrate smells strongly of pungent leaf. Cigarettes never smelled like 'leaf' to me, at least not this type of pungent tart leaf. I was a benson and hedges smoker which to my understanding is mostly virginia. Vapenstein on his site says that most commercial cigarettes are a mixture of virginia and burley. Burley is grassy and virginia is what I think we mostly associate with cigarettes IMO. I think of Virginia as a medium bodied, middle spectrum tobacco.

Cigarettes are ashy, and don't have any particular flavour apart from medium bodied tobacco. There aren't, for example, cigarettes that taste like tobacco 'and' vanilla/cherry/banana and any rolled tobacco that features cavendish, perique, orientals or other tobacco blends tend to be cigars (except for camel which are more orientals) etc. Cigarettes are non-descript and ashy and lack any real singular flavour coming to the fore. I feel the same way about both of those juices.

It is more for this reason, the 'lack of' other flavours present apart from that middle spectrum, medium bodied tobacco associates Wrangler Light and Wild Turkey to the brands of cigarettes I smoked (B&H, Dunhill and Mild Seven). They don't have any real frontrunning bold flavours the way Patriot or Organic Tobacco have. They are in the middle part of the spectrum of tobacco flavours; not strong and bold like a rich cigar and not light and grassy like a pipe.

I can't speak Gej's M Lite as I have not tried it. What I can say is that a few people on Scarf-ace's Netty awards voted Wrangler Light as being the NET they thought was the closest to a cigarette. I tend to think it is as well though I also find it reminds me of a creamy cigarillo. Not quite cigarette and not quite cigar, but it definitely scratches a cigarette itch for me.

I may have to try both juices again. It's been a couple of weeks since I have vaped either and I bet they have steeped more since.

I find it intriguing that you say that. I have a few friends who live too far away from GeJ to make the trek, so since I live close to their shop they have me pick up stuff for them. All of them have disliked the Wrangler Light because they said it tastes no where near as close to a cigarette as the M Type Lite. The reason for my intrigue isn't your palate vs. theirs, but rather what differences exist in Australian cigarettes to American since that seems to be where the disparity lies.

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

Direwolf,

I can't speak for GeJ's M type lite as I have not tried it. What I have tried though is my own DIY with M Type concentrate from Flavour apprentice which has a strong leafy flavour and quite pungent. I find it most unpleasant but then again that may have been user error in my mixture. In the bottle, the concentrate smells strongly of pungent leaf. Cigarettes never smelled like 'leaf' to me, at least not this type of pungent tart leaf. I was a benson and hedges smoker which to my understanding is mostly virginia. Vapenstein on his site says that most commercial cigarettes are a mixture of virginia and burley. Burley is grassy and virginia is what I think we mostly associate with cigarettes IMO. I think of Virginia as a medium bodied, middle spectrum tobacco.

Cigarettes are ashy, and don't have any particular flavour apart from medium bodied tobacco. There aren't, for example, cigarettes that taste like tobacco 'and' vanilla/cherry/banana and any rolled tobacco that features cavendish, perique, orientals or other tobacco blends tend to be cigars (except for camel which are more orientals) etc. Cigarettes are non-descript and ashy and lack any real singular flavour coming to the fore. I feel the same way about both of those juices.

It is more for this reason, the 'lack of' other flavours present apart from that middle spectrum, medium bodied tobacco associates Wrangler Light and Wild Turkey to the brands of cigarettes I smoked (B&H, Dunhill and Mild Seven). They don't have any real frontrunning bold flavours the way Patriot or Organic Tobacco have. They are in the middle part of the spectrum of tobacco flavours; not strong and bold like a rich cigar and not light and grassy like a pipe.

I can't speak Gej's M Lite as I have not tried it. What I can say is that a few people on Scarf-ace's Netty awards voted Wrangler Light as being the NET they thought was the closest to a cigarette. I tend to think it is as well though I also find it reminds me of a creamy cigarillo. Not quite cigarette and not quite cigar, but it definitely scratches a cigarette itch for me.

I may have to try both juices again. It's been a couple of weeks since I have vaped either and I bet they have steeped more since.

I have no doubt that you are correct in your analysis and deduction of what tobaccos comprise a typical cigarette, and maybe I'm reading your answer from a different perspective but I wasn't inquiring about the intricacies of cigarette tobaccos. I just found it curious that you (an Aussie) found that Wrangler Light was closest to tasting like a real cigarette as opposed to my three friends here in the States found that M-Type Lite was closest to a real cigarette and not Wrangler Light...in fact, all three of them turned their noses up at Wrangler Light. They all wanted a Marlboro Light taste and M-Type Lite did it for them whereas they found Wrangler Light not to their liking.

As is always stated: taste is subjective. I just found it curious and noteworthy that two different tobacco juices from GeJ - one a USA Labs pre-mix and the other a house made extract made fresh to order - provided similar statements from individuals half a world apart. That sparked the thought that maybe cigarettes in Australia (or at least your former brand of choice) were somehow different from the ones my friends here were used to smoking, that being Marlboro Lights.

 

[CannedWolf]

I just found it curious and noteworthy that two different tobacco juices from GeJ - one a USA Labs pre-mix and the other a house made extract made fresh to order - provided similar statements from individuals half a world apart. That sparked the thought that maybe cigarettes in Australia (or at least your former brand of choice) were somehow different from the ones my friends here were used to smoking, that being Marlboro Lights.

I can't speak specifically for Australian cigarettes (I smoked Korean and American cigarettes when I lived there) but, there is definitely a difference between cigarettes in different countries. This is true even for the same manufacturer - Camels are very different in the US versus Asia, for example, and it isnt just the packaging.

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

I can't speak specifically for Australian cigarettes (I smoked Korean and American cigarettes when I lived there) but, there is definitely a difference between cigarettes in different countries. This is true even for the same manufacturer - Camels are very different in the US versus Asia, for example, and it isnt just the packaging.

That's what I was kind of getting at. I think the cigarettes here in the US are more....chemically maybe? I don't know if that's the right description. But I do remember several years ago that I ordered Russian Marlboros because they were insanely cheap, something like $9 or $10 a carton. And when I got them, they were nowhere near the same taste as the US Marlboros.

I don't know if they have their own processing and manufacturing plants or if they were made here to their specs and then shipped to there, but there was a very distinct difference in taste.

 

[Hotwire]

You might sniff at this - but Dekang's 'CAMEL' 100%PG is the closest I've come yet to an analogue taste and feel.

It's cheap enough to try, I was buying Janty juices at 4 times the price and this is the best tobacco I've come across yet.

YMMV

 

[CannedWolf]

You might sniff at this - but Dekang's 'CAMEL' 100%PG is the closest I've come yet to an analogue taste and feel.

It's cheap enough to try, I was buying Janty juices at 4 times the price and this is the best tobacco I've come across yet.

YMMV

There are a number of artificial tobacco liquids out there that come close to either the flavor or the "feeling" of analog cigarettes. Dekang is, however, most certainly not a NET

 

[VaporMizer]

You might sniff at this - but Dekang's 'CAMEL' 100%PG is the closest I've come yet to an analogue taste and feel.

It's cheap enough to try, I was buying Janty juices at 4 times the price and this is the best tobacco I've come across yet.

YMMV

"Camel" aka "Desert Ship" is my favorite synthetic tobacco flavor too. Interesting all this should come up now because I just started messing around with TFA M-Type flavoring this week, which is just renamed Tabanone, and have decided that that IS the flavor I like in Desert Ship.

Tabanone (M-Type flavoring) is a synthetic version of a molecule found in Turkish tobacco, and it is often used to improve the aroma of even high quality tobacco.

I think cigarettes probably are mostly bright Virginias and Burleys now, but cigarettes were originally all Turkish blends when they came out mid nineteenth century, and most cigarettes still try for that flavor using various synthetics and botanicals....chief among them tabanone and tobacco absolute IMO. Makes for a pretty good representation of the whole reason for a cigarette...the Virginia was just there to burn hot because Turkish tobacco burns too cool to fully release it's aromatic oils (Virginias also add a lot of sweetness) , and Burley was there to control the burn rate of the Virginia and add a base note.

I think M-type at somewhere shy of 3% would make a great middle note for a tobacco blend.

 

[gthompson]

Most of the people in this thread aren't looking for a "cigarette" taste anyway.

 

[Bronze]

Just completed all four samples from QnJ. There wasn't a bum in the lot. The two that shined for me was the Fire-cured and Turkish. Absolutely splendid vapes that will find room in my rotation. I'm looking forward to doctoring the Fire-cured with some Lorann flavor concentrates just to broaden the appeal of the FC. I'm not big on cherry or vanilla but even these QnJ's versions were vapeable to me. Though, in fairness, the bottle of vanilla sent to me was a dud. There was no vanilla in it (not even a hint). I'm certain it was a "mistake" bottle (Fire-cured).

 

[CannedWolf]

Just completed all four samples from QnJ. There wasn't a bum in the lot. The two that shined for me was the Fire-cured and Turkish. Absolutely splendid vapes that will find room in my rotation. I'm looking forward to doctoring the Fire-cured with some Lorann flavor concentrates just to broaden the appeal of the FC. I'm not big on cherry or vanilla but even these QnJ's versions were vapeable to me. Though, in fairness, the bottle of vanilla sent to me was a dud. There was no vanilla in it (not even a hint). I'm certain it was a "mistake" bottle (Fire-cured).

Sounds like it was a miss-label for sure. The vanilla is more up front than the other flavos.

 

[VaporMizer]

Most of the people in this thread aren't looking for a "cigarette" taste anyway.

It's not just about cigarettes, the only way to experience any of the desirable traits of Turkish tobacco will have to rely on extracted essential oils and isolated or synthesized flavor components because they aren't even fully released even by burning Turkish tobacco by itself without a heat boost from Virginias, so doing a soak in tepid PG or VG doesn't even scratch the surface of Turkish tobacco's flavor. A maceration will get the truest representation of the leafiness, but the greater flavor will be completely absent.