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[scarf-ace]

I think Wlad would have done well by not even putting the name RY4 any where in the description. I think it was Scarf that was the blame for that going up (thank you, Scarf. LOL). Wlad made it last year but then canned the idea and didn't want to get into that type of arena. I can see why. RY4s have way more scrutiny than NET vapers ever could. Maybe it's because it's simpler? Maybe because it is so tied to the origin of vaping? Dunno.

AHEM.

This all started last year on the old Ahlusion ECF thread when we were making wishlists of flavors. Among other suggestions, I requested mango lassi and an RY4, 'cause I like RY4s.

Wlad wrote back to me and said that both of those were in fact in the cards. Shortly thereafter, Mango Lassi and Gold Rising went on the menu.

Don't be putting this on me man!

 

[Jerms]

AHEM.

This all started last year on the old Ahlusion ECF thread when we were making wishlists of flavors. Among other suggestions, I requested mango lassi and an RY4, 'cause I like RY4s.

Wlad wrote back to me and said that both of those were in fact in the cards. Shortly thereafter, Mango Lassi and Gold Rising went on the menu.

Don't be putting this on me man!

Ooo thanks for Mango Lassi Scarfy, that ones amazing.

You really should have been more specific when requestion an RY4 though

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[RPadTV]

I have to admit that I'm enamored with the caramel and vanilla based RY4's and they are what I think of first when I hear that an e-liquid is of that style... Perhaps if we think of them more as a genre instead of a specific recipe, it would fit a wider range that is described as a sweet and smooth tobacco instead. Whatever we define them as... I do know that I like many of them and I'm glad to have the wider variety instead of all of them tasting the same.

I like Bill's definitions. "Classic" RY4s focus on the blend of the three primary flavors, with none of them being dominant. "Custom" RY4s are the Western style, with heavier emphasis on the sweet flavors. "NET RY4s are self-explanatory.

Someone certainly did make that comparison to the original Ruyan, if not Mr.Mann or billherbst... it was someone else and it was in this thread and it was repeated more than once. I'm certain of this.

The comparison to the original Ruyan was made, but I thought you were talking about the original RY4. I gotcha now.

 

[RPadTV]

I still love my Janty Classic RY4 (like Ray's prefered Janty DK RY4, but better).

Is not! Classic RY4 is for girls with cooties.

All kidding aside, I like Janty Classic quite a bit too. It's a close second for me and way ahead of Janty Elixir.

For my dream Ahlusion RY4, I'd like to see Wlad do something similar to Janty DK. The "sour" element (I still don't know if that's the right word for it, but can't think of a better one and it's being used heavily in the RY4 thread) is really distinct and I'd love to see Wlad tackle that. Then again, a kick-... aromatic RY4 would be all kinds of awesome. I really enjoy GJ4 and FVF, but there's always room for a competitor.

On a side note, I have a big bottle of Gold Member coming my way. I was thinking of Frankenvaping (yes, it's a real verb) with Vecchio, but Tez suggested Vurley. A salted-caramel RY4 sounds potentially awesome...and potentially disastrous.

 

[MFToms59]

Jerms,

Someone, most likely billherbst or MrMann, said that Gold Rising is a close take on the original RY4 of which the recipe was lost. It was the second recipe that took on caramel and vanilla more...

I have no idea myself... just passing on what I've read a few times.

I have to admit that I'm enamored with the caramel and vanilla based RY4's and they are what I think of first when I hear that an e-liquid is of that style... Perhaps if we think of them more as a genre instead of a specific recipe, it would fit a wider range that is described as a sweet and smooth tobacco instead. Whatever we define them as... I do know that I like many of them and I'm glad to have the wider variety instead of all of them tasting the same.

Bill doesn't actually consider Gold Rising an RY4, and speculated it may be closer to the Original Ruyan 4, here is his post from the Big RY4 Roundup:

Bear in mind that, while Ahlusion describes Gold Rising as "our take on RY4," Gold Rising is not included on The Big RY4 List. Why? First, because it didn't qualify as an RY4 based on this thread's generally agreed definition of RY4's core ingredients (tobacco, caramel, and vanilla), and second, because Gold Rising simply doesn't taste like an RY4. Yes, it's a lovely NET juice blend, with a delicious smoky tobacco wrapped in honey and other nuanced flavors, but an RY4? Not to our palates.

I don't know what Wlad was thinking on this one. Perhaps Gold Rising is closer to Ruyan 4, the synthetic tobacco blend that was one of the four first-ever vaping juices marketed by the Ruyan Company way back in 2005, and the primary forebear of the original RY4, which---while not a replicant of Ruyan 4---was named RY as an homage to the Ruyan Company's pioneering efforts.

I speculated Wlad may have named it Gold Rising as a Homage to the Original Juice:

You could be 100% on the money that Gold Rising was an attempt at recreating the Original Juice, considered to be the Gold Standard (?), which gave birth to all that followed... ergo the naming of Wlad's juice Gold Rising(as in rebirth/resurrection?).

If that was a proven theory, I'd think it would merit at least some consideration, just my

 

[malachi]

Man, I was just coming to ask about suggestions for "real" tobacco flavors and a good Ry4 juice, (just right off the top of my head) and

bam... here was your question.

Count me in.

That's why I love this place!

Malachi

 

[VaporMizer]

Vanilla and caramel flavors are good additives to tobacco anyway...they are both natural to tobacco smoke, which is probably why they were chosen as ingredients for the earliest e-liquids to begin with.

Vanillin is found in wood smoke and tobacco smoke, and unless your smoking certain select examples of dark fired Burley (maybe some examples of Dark Kentucky or Green River Kentucky) then there is a fairly high natural sugar content in tobacco. I think I've read that cured Virginias can be 25% sugar, not to mention most tobacco has loads of added sugar (top dressing or casing) - and sugar caramelizes when burned.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Vanilla and caramel flavors are good additives to tobacco anyway...they are both natural to tobacco smoke, which is probably why they were chosen as ingredients for the earliest e-liquids to begin with.

Vanillin is found in wood smoke and tobacco smoke, and unless your smoking certain select examples of dark fired Burley (maybe some examples of Dark Kentucky or Green River Kentucky) then there is a fairly high natural sugar content in tobacco. I think I've read that cured Virginias can be 25% sugar, not to mention most tobacco has loads of added sugar (top dressing or casing) - and sugar caramelizes when burned.

Good points, VM.

 

[flowerpots]

Is not! Classic RY4 is for girls with cooties.

Ha, that made me laugh

 

[Mr.Mann]

Man, I was just coming to ask about suggestions for "real" tobacco flavors and a good Ry4 juice, (just right off the top of my head) and

bam... here was your question.

Count me in.

That's why I love this place!

Malachi

Check out QuicKnic's ouR whY qu4tro and GoodeJuice's GJ4. Those are my two favs for uncontested RY4 status.

 

[jefsview]

Check out QuicKnic's ouR whY qu4tro and GoodeJuice's GJ4. Those are my two favs for uncontested RY4 status.

You see what you did? Again!

Now I have to order some.

 

[Mr.Mann]

You see what you did? Again!

Now I have to order some.

Those two are interesting because the QnJ is better fresh and the GeJ is better after a steep.

 

[jefsview]

And they're both sort of local, too

(Depends if I want to drive an hour or more)

 

[Mr.Mann]

And they're both sort of local, too

(Depends if I want to drive an hour or more)

And the owners are friends. LOL

 

[boomerdude]

The folks in this thread will MAKE you buy lots of NET's until your BROKE. But you'll have so many fine vapes you'll be half-BAKED all the time. Hence the lyrics: "Gonna make you, then we'll break you, then we'll bake you better still."

 

[rdsok]

I posted this in the Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.net Grand Opening thread first... but it certainly belongs here as well.

@CarbonThief.... I damn you and praise you at the same time... I've found a bunch more I need to keep around now...

After a rather rough nite's sleep... I still managed to get up early enough to see that my N-E-T vape order had made it to the local PO and was in sort, so I knew it would make it out for delivery. Usually the mail runs early at my work ( where I ship everything to so it doesn't have to sit in the heat/cold of a mail box at the house ) but recently the mailman has switched it up so he could get the mail delivered to the places he walks more done before the heat of the day hits. After waiting much longer than it normally takes him to deliver, I switch to stalk mode and start driving around to see if I can catch him out and about. I catch sight of him down the road a ways... and head in the direction I saw him go. After catching up to him, I find he decided to not even try to deliver it ( since the business is closed ) and had left it at the PO instead. He offered to go get it for me if I wished to follow him.. so of course I did.

I get back to the house and open the box they had carefully packed my order in. I find that Monica ( based on the handwriting ) had upgraded my order to glass bottles, the linen pouch previously mentioned here and had also left a nice sample size of "The Boss" in with my order... I'm really glad to get a cigar sample in since I'm uncertain where I am with cigar flavors ATM. The downside, if you call it that, is that I only had enough clearo's for what I had ordered... After having read the previous reviews, I didn't see a need to sample in my dripper first which is where the cigar will be tasted in when I get the dripper cleaned up and dried out.

All of the pipe's I ordered were using heat extraction. To repeat what I got... Black Cavendish, Chris' Blend, Coventry, Dover Court and Gold. Since my throat is sensitive and I want a thicker feeling vape... they are all 30PG/70VG with the NIC at 6mg. With the high VG and low NIC, you won't hear me talking about the TH since I try to avoid it.

While the Ahlusion Blue Grass Burley has been the richest and most full flavored vape I have ( that I cared for a lot ) to this point... I wouldn't call it a darker bassy note in flavor but just above that but not by any means a medium note either. So the first up was Black Cavendish simply because I was looking for something with more bass notes in it. BC is a couple of notes down the scale from where I find BGB, the amount of flavor is a bit less than BGB but is certain nice and full none the less. Black Cavendish is certainly a very smooth vape and I can see vaping this at any time... with BRB I have to be in the mood for it. The sweet notes on this one feel all natural like any good NET should have, a good tobacco leaf sweetness not an added or artificial one. This one has WOW'd me from the first vape and I think I'm going to reach for this one quite often. If this one needs more steep time, I'd be surprised... if it does develop further as I think is possible, it will be out of this world. None the less... you won't need to wait on this one to steep to enjoy it if you like a darker pipe tobacco... it's already great.

Next up... Chris' Blend. This is another one, that from the description I've really been looking forward too. It promised a dark flavor note from the Black Cavendish which should be offset with the brighter Golden Virginias and the middle rounded out with some more medium Turkish notes. I wasn't disappointed but I was surprised how the Virginia notes played with the darker Cavendish. I am also enjoying the Turkish tobacco flavor that comes through. I also feel that this one needs a little more time to steep. I get the distinct feeling this one will certainly develop into a more balanced blend with just a little more time.

Coventry - .... Another hit in my book. This one comes off with a very balanced set of medium flavor notes that is nicely sweet from the tobacco as well as the smoothness you get from having some vanilla in the blend. Vanilla has to be strong for me to actually taste it so I usually judge it by how smooth or creamy a vape is... I suspect others will find it just in the background playing a good support role. The Burley in this really rounds it all out very nicely. While it may develop further, I don't feel it needs any additional steep time much like the Black Cavendish. I can see a lot of people really liking this medium bodied slightly sweet vape.

Dover Court... Take Coventry and switch out the medium noted Burley for the brighter notes of a Virginia leaf... and you have yet another winner. I do think that this one may need a little steep time... but I'd be surprised if it takes a week to start to develop. It's certainly easy to enjoy and vape right out of the mail box and I see it only getting better with a little steep time under it's belt.

Golden .... This one is/was my favorite right away... It's a nice medium noted blend that is very smooth and slightly sweet. I can see why Clay mentioned that this is the most cigarette like... only with some character and some real flavor that most cigarettes don't have. It is one I see as being one of the more popular since I suspect a lot of cigarette smokers will navigate to it. The slightly sweet medium flavored taste is one that I can enjoy all day at any time. With the flavor this one has, I think that the Spirit version may have a lot of competition to try and live up too. Having said that, I can certainly see it's pipe heritage, so pipe smokers aren't going to be disappointed either.

The Boss... If they chose this one as an intro cigar based on my pipe selections... I'd have to say they chose well. It is a dry vape that does come off as a cigar but with a very mild manner. There is a slight bite as I'd expect from a cigar on my tongue and cheeks but not much and nothing I'd classify as harsh by any means. The medium flavor notes are a bit in the background so it may indicate that it needs a little more steep time to help develop them more. I may also need to either adjust or change my wick on this IGO-L since I'm also starting to get that sort of dry hit flavor which is probably not doing a taste review any justice... I think I need to come to this one later to see what I think after I re-adjust things a bit.

 

[Jerms]

I still have a couple ml of each of the QnJ contest juices. Loaded up "Fire Cured" tonight. Some fire cured juices tend to lose that smoky kick with age. At about 2 months I'm not sure if it's gotten milder, but it is still a damn good vape.

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[Mr.Mann]

I still have a couple ml of each of the QnJ contest juices. Loaded up "Fire Cured" tonight. Some fire cured juices tend to lose that smoky kick with age. At about 2 months I'm not sure if it's gotten milder, but it is still a damn good vape.

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It's not competing with anything. I still can't believe that Rich was so willing to do what he did--that's truly awesome of him! Most vendors are super stuck in their own beleifs about their liquids; Rich was open to his customer's ideas--that's rare.

 

[scarf-ace]

Well it had the desired effect. Rich was kind enough to pay for international postage for my samples, and it paid off with a $75 juice order by me for three out of the four. AND a free bottle too.

 

[AnthonyB]

I can see why it might be warranted to compare Vita Bella with Vecchio. I've been vaping both recently and I enjoy both very much. Everyone is different so this is just my personal opinion. Both have an inexplicable creaminess or creamy nutti-ness, maybe macadamia or maybe just plain Vanilla-bacco.

Vecchio is one of my favourite non-aros ahlusions. It's Smooth Criminal with some bells and whistles on, or some aged fine wine effect as its namesake. 'Vecchio' in latin means 'old'. In this case I guess old means 'fine' and that is the kind of experience I am getting with vecchio.

Now having said all of that Vita Bella has to be one of the best all round vanilla/macadamia/milky/whateveritis -bacco out there. I think the tobacco fusion in it is sublime. It may take months to steep but it's got an 'X' factor. Such depth and complexity.

Vecchio is an on-your-sleeve flavour without too much intrigue. Vita Bella is sublime and multi-layered. Vecchio is something to vape all day, out in the field or in the office without too much thought. Vita Bella deserves some quiet contemplation and real pause to give justice to its sublime interweave of tobacco and the X factor flavour. To call it vanilla is to over-simplify it. It's a masterful blend. To say any juice is better than vecchio is to say a hell of a lot. If it were vecchio and a random spread of anything else out there vecchio would be head and shoulders above most but compare it to a heavyweight like Vita Bella and it's going to be left wanting a bit.

The one with my face on it was a custom-made gift. I can send you a high-res image file if you really want to make one. Ha! There's a bunch of RPad.TV merch available without my funny face.

Back to NETs, all this talk of Vita Bella in the morning made me want to vape some. I also have a bottle of Vecchio Blend steeping. Both juices seem highly-regarded by NETizens, but I see more posts about Vita Bella. Any thoughts on Vita Bella vs. Vecchio Blend? Battle of the VBs!!!