Natural Tobaccos

[scarf-ace]

Tez, "too sweet" is not usually a problem for me LOL. I do love me a good dessert tobacco, even with just a little tobacco.

I had heard all these scary things about Perique but it is actually a very high-keyed and mild fruity flavour.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Tez, "too sweet" is not usually a problem for me LOL. I do love me a good dessert tobacco, even with just a little tobacco.

I had heard all these scary things about Perique but it is actually a very high-keyed and mild fruity flavour.

LOL! The two puffs of Vaperite Perique I had were great before I started getting horrible burnt atomizer flavor! No seriously, it is a good one, but for me GoodeJuice's Natural Perique fits the bill and it's a lot kinder toward hardware. Darth Vapers' Perique Black is pretty decent too, although I guess it's not an NET. VR4 is a great flavor and I can see why people love it, but I'm just personally not too big on sweets.

 

[scarf-ace]

I'm trying to hold off on my reviews of RY4 and VR4 because they are frankly not doing ANYTHING for me yet. RY4 is very standard and hardly different from Halo's Tribeca, and VR4 tastes like...VG with about a molecule's worth of caramel It was recommended that I try this over on the RY4 thread because I expressed a desire for a really gooey caramel tobacco, something that put me in the mind of (don't laugh) the caramel topping on a McDonald's sundae

I'd been crushing on NLV's Caramel Corral for a while...I still like it but I'm starting to notice what people meant when they say it is "artificial" tasting. I've got nothing against artificial, but there is that slight metallic edge that stops it from being a #1. (That, and the fact that you practically have to sell a kidney to buy NLV anymore.)

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Unless they changed up the recipe since I had it, I'd say give it a little more time -- it'll get there!

 

[pir123]

Vaperite's liquids are quite mild, especially compared to stuff like Vapenstein's. The Perique is a solid medium flavor, which I like a lot, though as others have said, GeJ's Perique is similar, and "cleaner". The Tuscany is stronger, in a cigar/pipe kind of way. I still really like the Natural House Extracted and the Organic. They are mild, and essentially don't change for the steeping, at least not for a month or so (as long as I've kept any) though I certainly do get tobacco from them, it's just on the subtle side, and a bit grassy and plain.

I'm still sampling the "full flavor" NETs, so I still don't have a complete picture, but I have vaped ~120mls of Vaperite liquids, and enjoyed every drop. Most of them are like a "light" or even an "ultralight" cigarette. I've found they actually taste best about half-way through a tank, the flavor seems to concentrate and get a little gnarly.

I think I liked them initially because there's nothing in there I don't like, unlike the lab juices I had tried before.

I only kind of like the VR4. I found it quite sweet, with overpowering, but not unpleasant vanilla. I really like the APV, though it is very mild in the tobacco department, but what is there does taste nice.

If you want in-your-face tobacco, then, no, Vaperite's not really going to deliver. W2V and many others I've yet to try do fit that bill though.

I have done a few experiments with a tank full of VR Organic, with literally just a drop or two of Vapenstein's London or Louisville in a tank, and it's kind of amazing how much more powerful they are.

 

[EleanorR]

Hey Eleanor, have you read any of the "stories" (articles) on the site. There is so much I want to post here, but I will hold off for a little bit longer. There is info there that is right up your alley.

Not yet. I'll go read some now. Scratch that. I've actually read most all of them!

Hey EleanorR and others who may know the answer,

What do you recommend as an adequate steeping time for VapeRite liquids? I've waited a couple of weeks but they are still a bit...weak. I don't want to bad-mouth them since they are a favourite, but their tobaccos don't seem all that "tobaccoey" to me.

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Scarf. I have never tried Vaperite liquids, but I see you got plenty of informed feedback.

 

[scarf-ace]

Thanks all, for your opinions. I have nothing to lose by keeping them around so I'll just give them an extra-long steeping period and revisit.

I am very interested in trying the Want2Vape Vapensteins and others, but I am limited to the W2V stuff that is carried on VulcanVape.com, since they ship overseas. W2V proper doesn't. My annual USA trip is 5 whole months away, and you can bet I will be getting vape mail EVERY. SINGLE. DAY while I am there. And yes, I am already saving up

 

[JohnsWorld]

I'm trying to hold off on my reviews of RY4 and VR4 because they are frankly not doing ANYTHING for me yet. RY4 is very standard and hardly different from Halo's Tribeca, and VR4 tastes like...VG with about a molecule's worth of caramel It was recommended that I try this over on the RY4 thread because I expressed a desire for a really gooey caramel tobacco, something that put me in the mind of (don't laugh) the caramel topping on a McDonald's sundae

I love a really gooey caramel tobacco, also. But you're right, Vaperite's VR4 is very bland. Oddly, I find Vaperite's Organic tobacco fits the bill for a sweet caramel tobacco. In fact, I just finished a 60 ml bottle and reordered a sample pack of their tobaccos and mistakenly ordered the VR Vape Juice. This one has a more up front tobacco taste and being confused I kept thinking I needed to let it steep a little while longer in order for that wonderful caramel sweetness to come through... lol. Just realized I reordered the wrong one. So now I'm getting ready to order more of both of these.

If you haven't tried the Organic tobacco, I think you would like it. Very smooth and sweet, perfect for late night vaping, or at least that's when I enjoy it.

 

[scarf-ace]

John, that's interesting about the Organic Tobacco. Regrettably I didn't get a sample of this one so it will have to wait for another day if I ever try to give VR another shot.

Pir123, your comment about tank-steeping got me thinking...I have often complained to myself that one of the drawbacks of Stardust-type clearomizers is their unfortunate tendency to "cook" the juice inside it, often burning it before it is fully vaped. Now I will turn that into an advantage, seeing if I can heat-steep the weaker VR liquids inside the clearomizer until they simmer into something a bit stronger.

Thanks for the idea! Now, where did I put those empty clearomizers...?

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

Pir123, your comment about tank-steeping got me thinking...I have often complained to myself that one of the drawbacks of Stardust-type clearomizers is their unfortunate tendency to "cook" the juice inside it, often burning it before it is fully vaped. Now I will turn that into an advantage, seeing if I can heat-steep the weaker VR liquids inside the clearomizer until they simmer into something a bit stronger.

Thanks for the idea! Now, where did I put those empty clearomizers...?

Yeah, and furthermore, smaller volumes of liquid should steep faster than larger volumes anyway. That is, if my hypothesis based on possible misinformation, a half-remembered chemistry class from high school, and my own imaginary understanding of the Law of Thermodynamics proves correct!

 

[scarf-ace]

Yeah, and furthermore, smaller volumes of liquid should steep faster than larger volumes anyway. That is, if my hypothesis based on possible misinformation, a half-remembered chemistry class from high school, and my own imaginary understanding of the Law of Thermodynamics proves correct!

All right then, I have filled my last two Kanger CC clearomizers with precisely 2mls each VR4 and Perique, and I will vape them until they are empty whether I like it or not LOL. Will report back with any changes in consistency or flavour. Let's see if the clearomizer steeping method has any merit

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yeah, and furthermore, smaller volumes of liquid should steep faster than larger volumes anyway. That is, if my hypothesis based on possible misinformation, a half-remembered chemistry class from high school, and my own imaginary understanding of the Law of Thermodynamics proves correct!

I can attest, though anecdotally, to this being true (at least in respect to smaller volumes of liquid steeping faster). It never made sense to me that I always seemed to really like small samples better than the 30 mL counterparts.

 

[Bronze]

I can attest, though anecdotally, to this being true (at least in respect to smaller volumes of liquid steeping faster). It never made sense to me that I always seemed to really like small samples better than the 30 mL counterparts.

By this reasoning, then, it would make sense to divide your 30mL bottle into smaller quantities upon receipt...if accelerated steeping is your goal. And on the topic of steeping, I have little doubt that there are juices that require it. However, what gets very little ink, is flavor acquistion and what role (and how much) it plays in our acceptance or rejection of a flavor. I think it is significantly underplayed. One might ask, does flavor acquisition even take place? If so, how much? I can prove in my own mind that flavor acquisition exists and IMO, very strong by knowing that flavor deacquisition takes place (if that's even a word). Case and point...I was vaping a five star juice and have kind of put it to the side for the past week as I have sampled other juices (of which a couple/few) I find very good. I have now gone back to the first five star juice and it actually does not taste either the same or good. Don't know if my taste bud geometry has changed, my brain is sending/receiving different signals, or what. But flavor deacquisition definitly exists. Therefore, flavor acquistion must also exist. Question is, how much and is this a greater, or lesser impact than steeping? And are their different paces of flavor acquisition? Why does flavor acqusition occur with some flavors yet not occur at all with other flavors. I suspect this thread could blow up discussing flavor acquisition. But I also suspect we have little knowledge of it and cannot wrap our minds around it to have an expansive discussion about it.

 

[Hulamoon]

Hi scarf-ace - that's also what I do - I have a lot of Kangers and 510 Excalibur clearos. Pop the juice in, give it a try, if it's not up to snuff I leave it a day or so. The small quantity and the heat from giving it a try work very well for me. Mind you, thanks to Mr. M and all the other excellent advisors steeping of large bottles has become de rigeur because I just can't get to them any sooner. I try not to overdo the number of clearo heated choices though because let me tell you that there is NOTHING worse than returning to a Kange, vaping and then doing somersaults whooping with glee because "it" tastes A-1.....and THEN saying "Now ...exactly which juice was that one???"

John, that's interesting about the Organic Tobacco. Regrettably I didn't get a sample of this one so it will have to wait for another day if I ever try to give VR another shot.

Pir123, your comment about tank-steeping got me thinking...I have often complained to myself that one of the drawbacks of Stardust-type clearomizers is their unfortunate tendency to "cook" the juice inside it, often burning it before it is fully vaped. Now I will turn that into an advantage, seeing if I can heat-steep the weaker VR liquids inside the clearomizer until they simmer into something a bit stronger.

Thanks for the idea! Now, where did I put those empty clearomizers...?

 

[scarf-ace]

Hulamoon, I keep a P-touch labeler around for precisely the scenarios you describe. I label all my cartos. My brain is like a sieve and i can't keep track otherwise :LOL:

 

[billherbst]

Hulamoon, I keep a P-touch labeler around for precisely the scenarios you describe. I label all my cartos. My brain is like a sieve and i can't keep track otherwise :LOL:

scarf,

I too use a P-touch labeler. Mine's a hand-held 1010 (bought as a refurb for about $11 shipped), which prints both 1/4" single line and 1/2" two-line tape labels.

During my first year of vaping, I printed out my own carto and bottle labels, then cut them out and taped them on, but that got really old. Plus, any juice leaks destroyed the inkjet printing on the labels.

Since I switched to the P-touch almost a year ago, I've become a labeling fool. Anyone like me who keeps more than 100 loaded cartos and 70 small refill bottles on his desk, with another 50 on his bedside nightstand needs to use a labeler. The P-touch is a really good one. The labels are "sealed" and impervious to juice leaks. The only down side is that the tape cassette refills aren't exactly cheap (works out to about 10¢/label).

 

[scarf-ace]

I had vaped about 0.4mls of the VR4 (if the measuring markings on the side of the clearo are to be believed) before I started getting awful burnt hits. I changed the head and vaped another 0.2mls before it happened AGAIN.

That's IT. You are OUTTA HERE, VR4.

Friends, I have traveled this road as far as is required for objective-reviewer purposes. Now I'm just annoyed that I wasted two perfectly good clearomizers on this.

Weirdly though, Tezcatlipoca's nightmare Perique is still chugging away, tasting rather pleasant, I must say.

 

[Bronze]

I had vaped about 0.4mls of the VR4 (if the measuring markings on the side of the clearo are to be believed) before I started getting awful burnt hits. I changed the head and vaped another 0.2mls before it happened AGAIN.

That's IT. You are OUTTA HERE, VR4.

Friends, I have traveled this road as far as is required for objective-reviewer purposes. Now I'm just annoyed that I wasted two perfectly good clearomizers on this.

Weirdly though, Tezcatlipoca's nightmare Perique is still chugging away, tasting rather pleasant, I must say.

A man has got to know his limitations.

 

[Voltron]

I had vaped about 0.4mls of the VR4 (if the measuring markings on the side of the clearo are to be believed) before I started getting awful burnt hits. I changed the head and vaped another 0.2mls before it happened AGAIN.

That's IT. You are OUTTA HERE, VR4.

Friends, I have traveled this road as far as is required for objective-reviewer purposes. Now I'm just annoyed that I wasted two perfectly good clearomizers on this.

Weirdly though, Tezcatlipoca's nightmare Perique is still chugging away, tasting rather pleasant, I must say.

Do you usually dry burn your clearos after a few refills? This helps extend their life a lot, in case you didn't know.

 

[scarf-ace]

....aaaand the Perique clearomizer just soiled itself too. Not getting another chance.

Voltron, I dry-burn at the beginning of a clearo's life because I've found they need "breaking in". I don't even use these normally....just had them in my pile of vape stuff and decided to use them up.

My preferred delivery system is clear dual-coil cartos (I have tried the VRs in those too). They've never failed me and are cheap enough that I don't get grumpy when I have to toss one. I feel they've got only two disadvantages:

1) The plastic can come unstuck from the base long before the atomizer fails.
2) They're ugly