Natural Tobaccos

[Jerms]

Moved over my well steeped N-E-T bottles to start vaping today after I finish off my Apple Wild Wood. What to start with.. Chris' Blend, H+, BA ManVan, Big Spirit, Balkan, or Coventry.........

VJC, glad you dig your MOV order! Good stuff.

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[Big Juicy]

Hmm... definitely something to think about. I'm leaning more towards the Fire-Cured. If it's too harsh by itself, I could use it to add some oomph to some other juices I have..

Chris' Blend: It was good, but having tried Black Cavendish as well, I discovered something in it that I did not care for (I know I know.. there will be hate mail!). An almost "slightly sour" note on the inhale. I detected that same note in Chris' Blend and it made me put it away, even though the other flavours in it were good.

Chris's, Coventry, and Black Cav all hit a similar cavendish note. I found myself forced to choose between Chris' Blend (which I rated highly) and Coventry and went with Coventry. I do not vape Coventry and Black Cav side by side as they both vape like cavs to me...so Coventry is in the morning with coffee and Black Cav is after dinner.

Dusty, I wouuld go with Fire Cured Burley, do a sample size. Then depending on how it hits you and what you want to change to make the flavor profile work for you, order a custom blend with some Perique, Virginia, and/or latakia to taste.

 

[Dusty_D]

Chris's, Coventry, and Black Cav all hit a similar cavendish note. I found myself forced to choose between Chris' Blend (which I rated highly) and Coventry and went with Coventry. I do not vape Coventry and Black Cav side by side as they both vape like cavs to me...so Coventry is in the morning with coffee and Black Cav is after dinner.

Dusty, I wouuld go with Fire Cured Burley, do a sample size. Then depending on how it hits you and what you want to change to make the flavor profile work for you, order a custom blend with some Perique, Virginia, and/or latakia to taste.

I am ordering a sample size.. it's only 60ml.

Should be receiving in the next week or two:

4 x 60ml Balkan
3 x 60ml Yesteryear
1 x 60ml Fire cured Burley

I'm guessing this should allow me to put some away for a long steep..

 

[Big Juicy]

I am glad I resisted female dogging about the extensive RBA discussion here of the last week (A - because they were specific to NET and B - because I don;t feel the need to prove what a hole I can be every second of the day) because now *I* have a question specific to vaping NET's.

Can somebody highlight the major differences in performance, durability, etc specific to vaping NET's between the vision vivi nova and the protank? I refuse to RBA...REFUSE...so I am looking at BCC's as a path to perhaps getting into a Killer or Diver and working with pre-made grecian heads (lol). Will try the Vape Only soon and am looking at the protank 2 now that they have removeable drip tip so I can get my pipe stems in there. Anyways, differences between Vivi Nova and Protank 2 (besiudes bottom coild vs. top wick and coil) in terms of taste, performance, etc? Is it plug and play? Help please!

 

[Jerms]

BJ.. just get an RBA

Can't help ya on Viva vs BCC, never tried a Viva. But compared to the top coil clearos I've tried, the bottom coil clearos have much better wicking (no tilting) and much better flavor (the top coils are very muted to me). I really dig my Protank 2 for on the go vaping, but haven't tried running a NET through it.

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[Dusty_D]

Skip the BCC.. Tends to flood. Skip the Vivi nova.. All round pain in the .... with NET's. Protank 2 for delivery device would be best choice. That being said, I've always rebuilt my Protank heads because I find the stock coils choke and don't perform to my satisfaction.



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[Jerms]

Oh yeah, and as far as plug and play.. From what I've read Vivas work great but you have to mod it to get the good results. With BCCs, the only thing I've had to do is remove a flavor wick, which is simple as can be. I saw Vision released a BCC version of the Viva Nova recently because of the popularity of them.

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[Jerms]

Skip the BCC.. Tends to flood. Skip the Vivi nova.. All round pain in the .... with NET's. Protank 2 for delivery device would be best choice. That being said, I've always rebuilt my Protank heads because I find the stock coils choke and don't perform to my satisfaction.



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Protank 2 is a BCC you silly goose (bottom coil clearomizer).

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[Dusty_D]

Protank 2 is a BCC you silly goose (bottom coil clearomizer).

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Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the Vapeonly BCC, which was released slightly before the Protank 1 was released. It did not have a screw in head, but rather one that plugged into a silicone gasket: http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?m...d=1514&zenid=f41777c001175496d56a104c97eba449



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[Jerms]

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the Vapeonly BCC, which was released slightly before the Protank 1 was released. It did not have a screw in head, but rather one that plugged into a silicone gasket: http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?m...d=1514&zenid=f41777c001175496d56a104c97eba449



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Ahh, got'chya. Forgot he was asking about the Vapeonly too.

BJ, if you're considering a ProTank 2, take a look at the just released Unitank, also by Kanger. It SHOULD work just like a PT 2, but it's upgraded by being top filled like top coil clearos, instead of removing from the PV and removing the base to fill.

http://www.sun-vapers.com/buy/kanger-unitank-glassomizer/

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[jefsview]

I prefer my iClear30s and 16s for top coil clearo. They are dual coils and are effective with good flavor.

Pbusardo just posted his review of the Aspire tanks, which are bottom DUAL coils with removable driptips. He is raving about them, and they handle high VG liquids, according to his review. Just needs airflow channels (no Provaris) for the 510 connectors. 3 different sizes -- consistent and no flooding (from the review). Available for $10 at Nhaler (exclusive). replacement heads 5 pck for $13. Plastic tanks, I believe.

Since the draw is dependent on the airflow, I might give these a try, since they will be tighter and less metallic than a Protank and might actually work.

 

[Jerms]

Alright.. starting with Chris' Blend, 70pg, heat. This one and Big Spirit I dug the least of the six when I tasted them upon receiving.

The main flavor I'm tasting, which is a new flavor for me, is the Black Cavendish. It's an odd flavor, not sure I care for it. Maybe when I become accustomed to it the Golden Virginias and Turkish will show more.

I'm not sure how Black Cavendish is made. I think it's steamed more and fermented longer, but not sure on that. It has a fermented taste to me, which isn't entirely pleasant but may be an acquired taste. It's a very round, full flavor. I hope it's something I grow to like.

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[AnthonyB]

In terms of flavor and vapor, the Protank smashes it out of the part against a Vivi Nova from my personal experience.

I would choose either a Protank or Evod. Vapeonly BCCs are underrated and I've enjoyed many a NET liquid in it.

Sorry I don't have time to be elaborate.

I hope you have at least tried a rebuildable? I would highly recommend an Igo-L for a straight forward, effective and easy rebuild.

The Vision Eternity is also much underrated. It has a great throat hit, lots of warm vapor and good flavour if you use the wider neck drip tip.

On the whole, rebuildables get the best performance in terms of flavour and those subtle nuances from NETs.

I am glad I resisted female dogging about the extensive RBA discussion here of the last week (A - because they were specific to NET and B - because I don;t feel the need to prove what a hole I can be every second of the day) because now *I* have a question specific to vaping NET's.

Can somebody highlight the major differences in performance, durability, etc specific to vaping NET's between the vision vivi nova and the protank? I refuse to RBA...REFUSE...so I am looking at BCC's as a path to perhaps getting into a Killer or Diver and working with pre-made grecian heads (lol). Will try the Vape Only soon and am looking at the protank 2 now that they have removeable drip tip so I can get my pipe stems in there. Anyways, differences between Vivi Nova and Protank 2 (besiudes bottom coild vs. top wick and coil) in terms of taste, performance, etc? Is it plug and play? Help please!

 

[Frankenmizer]

Alright.. starting with Chris' Blend, 70pg, heat. This one and Big Spirit I dug the least of the six when I tasted them upon receiving.

The main flavor I'm tasting, which is a new flavor for me, is the Black Cavendish. It's an odd flavor, not sure I care for it. Maybe when I become accustomed to it the Golden Virginias and Turkish will show more.

I'm not sure how Black Cavendish is made. I think it's steamed more and fermented longer, but not sure on that. It has a fermented taste to me, which isn't entirely pleasant but may be an acquired taste. It's a very round, full flavor. I hope it's something I grow to like.

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Black Cav didn't work for me - not bad per se, just didn't like the .. well, something Blargh

 

[Dusty_D]

OH! so NOW all the Black Cav issues come to the surface.

As per what I posted earlier today, I detected a "slightly sour" note in it on the inhale. Is that what you folks are detecting to?

 

[Jerms]

OH! so NOW all the Black Cav issues come to the surface.

As per what I posted earlier today, I detected a "slightly sour" note in it on the inhale. Is that what you folks are detecting to?

As in.. old milk sour?

Yeah, sour works I guess for that odd note. Doesn't seem totally fitting, but I can't think of a better descriptor. Whatever it is, my guess it results from the fermentation.

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[Vapo Marx]

To contribute to the "introductory rebuildable atomizer" sidebar that has been running in this thread, here's my report on the Phoenix "Bully" that arrived today.

I really like the simple, clean design of this atty. Here it is next to an EVOD and a Mini T3S.


The stock coil measured at 3.2 ohms - kinda high but it doesn't matter since I managed to trash it during my ham-fisted attempt to disassemble and clean the device. The ol' eyesight and manual dexterity ain't what it used to be.


Luckily, I was able to cram one of my Smoktech spares in there. The sloppy winding is not mine; it came that way. When installed, it measured 2.2 ohms.


The atty makes a neat little package on my VV pass-through.


I christened it with Vita Bella, of course.

My impressions: vapes great, about ten times easier to use and less messy than my Smoktech RDA, nice draw that's a little on the tight side. Drawbacks: due to its compact size, installing coil/wick is a little tough if you have fat fingers like me. God help you if you back out those tiny-assed screws too far and lose them.

I think it's a nice, simple dripper and definitely worth the eleven bucks. Thanks for suggesting it, guys.

 

[rdsok]

With the Vision Vivi Nova ( not the Smoktech which I didn't try ) the flavor is ok but muted. The Kanger BCC's ( Evod, T3s, MT3s and both Protanks ) all work great IMO, have much more flavor than the Vivi and are easy to maintain with 5pk of heads being found for under $6, replacements are cheap. The flavor on the VapeOnly compares well to the Kanger line but ( if its not in my head ) may have slightly less saturated flavor. I don't care for the build of the VapeOnly and that is all I can complain about on it. Smoktech also has a Pyrex ARO BCC that works as good as the Kangers but they use a primer on the coil heads so you need to clean them first or risk getting that flavor for a bit.

The downside to BCC's ( all of them )... they are pressure sensitive since they work on keeping a certain amount of vacuum in order to avoid getting leaks out of the bottom. If you see a complaint about one leaking its likely caused by one of two things... They didn't assemble the unit tight enough and air is leaking past a little ( the Davide's are known for this because they needed tighted down crazy tight to not have an air leak )... or the person doesn't vape long and slow hits causing some backpressure to build momentarily ( kind of think plunger effect sort of ). The larger the tank on a BCC... the more prone they are to having pressure issues which is one reason I prefer the Mini Protank over the larger one... its the price you pay for having a larger volume of liquid but can be avoided by simply vaping a little slower than you do on a Mini sized one.

 

[Vapo Marx]

Speaking of BCCs and all things Mini, I'm really liking the Mini T3S so far, more so than the EVOD (both pictured in my last reply).

 

[EleanorR]

Something strange has happened to my Huntsman in the last couple of months, or to my perception of Huntsman. . . I have just in the last 2 days put Huntsman in my Evod and I get the same metallic harsh taste. Whatever it is, my perception of it has caused a loss of favor. I am equally not a fan of Dark Horse which is in the same family as Huntsman and some have considered it to be 'Huntsman Lite'.

On the other side of the coin my love for Dragon's Fire, Heavenly Army, Legend, Serendipity and Shadow have not wavered one bit from the day I got them. I consider all those in the same family as well. Over the last year they have somehow replaced each other in flavour as a result of different batches of production having slight variations. From what I've read on this forum the current day Serendipity is what Legend (Formerly Gandalf) used to taste like, or was it Dragon's Fire? Not sure.

And therein lies the problem. Never know what you're going to get if it's been 3 months or so since your last order.

Gosh darnnit, if I order Legend, I want to receive Legend, not something else "in the Legend family." Same with Shadow, or with Dragon's Fire.

Le sigh.

You spoke of how well-aged Huntsman turned on you; I just tried to vape some 8-month old Dark Horse last night (I loved Dark Horse!), and I swear it now tastes soapy. Bleaaach! I almost suspect I've been spoiled by the super clean juice that Ahlusion makes; others seem to use a funkier, "oilier" VG (even though I only order 30%VG, I do think that's what went south in my old Dark Horse.)