Natural Tobaccos

[Mr.Mann]

Before I take a nap I wanted to explain my wording when I said "...that were sold by Perfumer's Apprentice that are both, basically, absolutes." I used "were" and "are" because if I am not mistaken, TE is no longer sold by PA because of issues with consistency/color/viscosity/quality, etc., but that is not to say that some vendors that used it didn't acquire enough to continue using it for a while. And I am sure there are other sources besides PA.

I think PA now sells one absolute that is PG based and thus diluted. I can't find any information on their site about straight absolute or TE. Now it's called "tobacco Blend." Oy vey. LOL.

Anyway. Back to what we all understand and agree on.

 

[Vapo Marx]

Greetings from New York. It's a GeJ Organic kinda morning here. Yum....

I've gotta start getting into rebuilding heads if I wanna keep vaping these dee-licious NETs. I've got the tools and the materials, just gotta find the time.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Ok so for example.. the tobacco extracts that they are extracting in house at net.com is from actual tobacco by the process of maceration are not the same as the tobacco extracts used by mom and pops, who are using commercially bought extracts. Yes, no? Thanks for helping me with this and sorry to be a pita.

You got it. You're fine.

So really.. is it safe to say the qualifier for net discussion on this thread is if the vendor is working with tobacco as a raw material?

And, well, sort of. Some vendors like HHV and Vermillion never touch tobacco because they have their extracts purchased form some unknown source. So they are only mixing ingredients, like a DIYer, but they are not simply using common DIY ingredients. Make sense? It shouldn't, but I tried. LOL.

 

[Bronze]

Balkan to me was like an Apache lite.. not light enough to be dismissible, but light enough that I can vape it for more than a few hours, which is my limit with Apache. After that it feels like somebody is trying to rip out my throat. I've got 4x60ml coming to me of Balkan.

Pretty much my take on Balkan too Dust. Balkan is one of my more favored NETCOM flavors.

 

[Bronze]

Jerms, you make good points. Really good points.

Agreed!!!!!!

 

[Bronze]

And extracts can be processed using different methods. PG/VG soaks is one method and probably most used. Alcohol extraction is another (HHV NETs come from alcohol extractions). There are others I believe but I have forgotten them.

 

[Dusty_D]

Jerms, you make good points. Really good points.

Agreed!!!!!!

I believe the term most suited here would be... Absolute-ly!

 

[Bronze]

Did someone say Clay was running a 20% sale? What is the code?

I'm near out of Apache and out of Balkan. These two juices appeal to me in the same manner. Got to replenish.

 

[Dusty_D]

Did someone say Clay was running a 20% sale? What is the code?

I'm near out of Apache and out of Balkan. These two juices appeal to me in the same manner. Got to replenish.

Yeah, he posted this yesterday:

" To celebrate the changing of the season and our new offerings, we are announcing a FALL SALE!

20% off your entire order with coupon code: FALLNETSALE

One-use per customer, and the sale will go for the entire week, ending next Sunday at Midnight PST! "​

If I didn't already have 8 x 60ml bottles shipping to me, and an available 20% off code that I've not yet used for winning a contest he held, I'd be all over this sale.

 

[Bronze]

Thanks Dust!

 

[jefsview]

You folks get up too early in the morning for me!

4 pages on Tobacco Absolute vs Extraction before 7 a.m.!

 

[Mr.Mann]

And extracts can be processed using different methods. PG/VG soaks is one method and probably most used. Alcohol extraction is another (HHV NETs come from alcohol extractions). There are others I believe but I have forgotten them.

Yes, but they are not simply alcohol extractions that a DIYer may do. That would be a alcohol soak/filtration. HHV and Vermillion both obtain distilled tobaccos. It can get very wonky on these topics, so I won't bring up any more right now.

 

[Bronze]

You folks get up too early in the morning for me!

4 pages on Tobacco Absolute vs Extraction before 7 a.m.!

We're geeks.

 

[Bronze]

Yes, but they are not simply alcohol extractions that a DIYer may do. That would be a alcohol soak/filtration. HHV and Vermillion both obtain distilled tobaccos. It can get very wonky on these topics, so I won't bring up any more right now.

Aw, come on...we like to be confused.

 

[SharonMM]

You got it. You're fine.

And, well, sort of. Some vendors like HHV and Vermillion never touch tobacco because they have their extracts purchased form some unknown source. So they are only mixing ingredients, like a DIYer, but they are not simply using common DIY ingredients. Make sense? It shouldn't, but I tried. LOL.

Makes perfect sense... but what doesn't really seem consistent is if the tobacco extract/absolute sold by PA or elsewhere is derived from physical tobacco, then it seems like whomever is using that product in their mixes should also be considered a net vendor. Not trying to ruffle feathers here, just making an observation and trying to learn something new. Thanks for your help on this. Pleasant dreams.

 

[Dusty_D]

You folks get up too early in the morning for me!

4 pages on Tobacco Absolute vs Extraction before 7 a.m.!

You should try making sense of this stuff at 5 in the morning.. with first coffee in hand!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Aw, come on...we like to be confused.

Okay. Last one. Darth Vapers uses distilled tobaccos, though they make their own. HHV, Darth Vapers and Vermillion use distilled tobaccos and those type of extractions are some of the cleanest "burning" NETs out (along with CO₂). Out of all three of those vendors, HHV has the most unique tasting ingredients irrespective of where they're made.

One thing DV has a leg up on that pack is that they not only make their own but they test theirs for TSNA content via GC/MS. Ahlusion, DV and, as far as I know, HouseofLiguid (Concepts labs) are the only NET vendors that check for carcinogens per batch.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Makes perfect sense... but what doesn't really seem consistent is if the tobacco extract/absolute sold by PA or elsewhere is derived from physical tobacco, then it seems like whomever is using that product in their mixes should also be considered a net vendor. Not trying to ruffle feathers here, just making an observation and trying to learn something new. Thanks for your help on this. Pleasant dreams.

I wrestle with this as well. The best way I can distinguish is the difference between freshly squeezed orange juice and OJ made from concentrate (NET= freshly squeezed and TA/TE = concentrate). The two are basically the same, but not really similar at all. Hell, gunk is NETs' pulp.

 

[Bronze]

I wrestle with this as well. The best way I can distinguish is the difference between freshly squeezed orange juice and OJ made from concentrate (NET= freshly squeezed and TA/TE = concentrate). The two are basally the same, but not really similar at all. Hell, gunk is NETs pulp.

It is a fine line yet a broad line all at the same time. I think Jerms explanation a little earlier was spot on as well.

 

[Dusty_D]

I wrestle with this as well. The best way I can distinguish is the difference between freshly squeezed orange juice and OJ made from concentrate (NET= freshly squeezed and TA/TE = concentrate). The two are basally the same, but not really similar at all. Hell, gunk is NETs pulp.

I like my orange juice with pulp.. maybe THAT is the reason I love NET's. Thank you, MM for once again making sense of this whole madness!