I find Apache to be very tolerable and can vape it for long stretches as well.
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I find Apache to be very tolerable and can vape it for long stretches as well.
I have a little 3mil bottle of Dark Horse that is one year old and it is still very light colored.
Nice Pear (super refreshing) and Cinful Pear (a dash of cinnamon added). If you like pear, you will like the three Heather offers. Very authentic. As Robin (another thread) says, you can taste the grain of the pear in Nice Pear. She's right!
I had Heather mix me a custom juice. It was their Caramel Apple Tobacco (a non-NET) but instead of apple, I had her substitute it with the Nice Pear flavoring...hence, Caramel Pear Tobacco. It didn't work.
I'm sorry. I'm philosophically opposed to steeping. If its not good on day one it will never again pass these lips.
I'm not into fruit-exclusive vapes either. But I do like Heather's pear vapes.
I have never used the Ignore function before today. Reading through this thread the last couple of days I decided it was time to try it out. Man, what a difference it can make!!!
In general, some people like them and some people don't
Me personally, I'm a fan. They are in my current top 5 along with Ahlusion, GeJ, HHV, and W2V.
Some of their NETs I love and some are just OK to me. Southern Gentleman took a bit to grow on me, but once it did it's become one I love. SoGent is Grampa, easy to dismiss until you sit down and listen. It's a really complex pipe blend, but some of the complexities took a while for me to notice and appreciate.
Pendragon and Apache were love at first vape. Apache is the gruff friend who comes on strong but has a good heart and has your back. An aggressive, authentic, smoky English pipe blend that is easier to vape for long sessions than some similar blends. Pendragon is the sensual lover; many dislike her but she can do no wrong in my eyes. For me PenD is a lightly medium, leafy tobacco with some bite on the exhale, with subtle notes of vanilla and cherry and a remarkable smoothness.
Sunday Morning and FVF RY4 are ok to me, but others seem to like them more. Sunday Morning is sort of similar to PenD, with coffee and cream instead of vanilla and cherry, but doesn't click with me as well. To me, JG Blend from Ahlusion is a far better coffee-bacco. The RY4 has some buttery notes that sometimes worked and sometimes bothered me. I much prefer GeJ's GJ4 for a NET RY4.
But that's just like, you know, my opinion man. Ymmv, tis, fwiw, yadda yadda yadda.
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I get comfort from that. The Jerms. Takin er easy for all of us sinners. Say friend, you got any more of that good sarsparilla?
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Just got some Humpback and Godz'nilla. Also from QnJ Cookies, Sugar? and Vanilla Custard. I'm on a custard kick lately. It's all very good, as per QnJ's style.
With MOV's NETs, you get the occasional review (on the website itself) with folks claiming some of them taste like an ash tray, an ashed in cup of coffee, or fish oil. I personally have let ash and cigarettes sit in cups of water for days and the smell/imagined-taste is not pretty. I certainly wouldn't want that, and that's exactly what I'd be reminded of if the taste is somewhat near that.
However, like with the Apache, others have accused it of being like a real BBQ campfire smoke. That's the type of uniqueness I would find somewhat interesting in a vape. As long as it wasn't a bad, sour, acrid, chemical, or other displeasure, I'd probably find something I like about it.
When I smoked actual cigarettes, I found Malboro Southern Cuts to be truly interesting, as they gave off flavors of recently smoked leather (real, thick saddle leather, not like a pleather couch) and fire smoke... even at times, toasted marshmellow. They were truly a taste-testers' cigarette, leagues above anything else. I don't mind earthly southern flavors one bit.
So in everyone's experience, would you say the MOV's are at least devoid of those chemical/acrid/oil/ash-water tastes? Other than that, I'm pretty open to truly rustic flavors.
(I may call MOV and see if they'd be kind enough to cut me a deal on a ton of sample bottles... I'd be willing to spend $25 on say, six 7.ml samples.)
However, like with the Apache, others have accused it of being like a real BBQ campfire smoke. That's the type of uniqueness I would find somewhat interesting in a vape. As long as it wasn't a bad, sour, acrid, chemical, or other displeasure, I'd probably find something I like about it.
When I smoked actual cigarettes, I found Malboro Southern Cuts to be truly interesting, as they gave off flavors of recently smoked leather (real, thick saddle leather, not like a pleather couch) and fire smoke... even at times, toasted marshmellow. They were truly a taste-testers' cigarette, leagues above anything else. I don't mind earthly southern flavors one bit.
So in everyone's experience, would you say the MOV's are at least devoid of those chemical/acrid/oil/ash-water tastes? Other than that, I'm pretty open to truly rustic flavors.
(I may call MOV and see if they'd be kind enough to cut me a deal on a ton of sample bottles... I'd be willing to spend $25 on say, six 7.ml samples.)
I didn't get any chemical/acrid/oil/ash-water taste from their NETs. Yes, Apache does indeed have a smoky note from the Latakia tobacco in it. Some like it and some don't.
NET in general can taste very odd to someone who's never had them or isn't aware of how extracted tobacco can have a very authentic tobacco taste. They just aren't going to work for a lot of people. Someone who's previously smoked cigars and pipes will know more of what they are getting into; cigarette smokers not so much as cigarettes have very little actual tobacco taste. Many of the people here, like myself, were cigarette smokers who learned what real tobacco is like through vaping NET. Someone who has only smoked cigs may THINK they will like the taste of real tobacco in an ejuice, but the only way to find out if that's true is to try NET.
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NET in general can taste very odd to someone who's never had them or isn't aware of how extracted tobacco can have a very authentic tobacco taste. They just aren't going to work for a lot of people. Someone who's previously smoked cigars and pipes will know more of what they are getting into; cigarette smokers not so much as cigarettes have very little actual tobacco taste. Many of the people here, like myself, were cigarette smokers who learned what real tobacco is like through vaping NET. Someone who has only smoked cigs may THINK they will like the taste of real tobacco in an ejuice, but the only way to find out if that's true is to try NET.
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I feel this whole "ash" thing has run amok. When people used that term in reference to tobacco eliquid, it was always tobacco absolute as the culprit. Now, I feel, people are using that term when they vape/taste a natural tobacco in under-performing hardware. What happens when some NETs are not used with an adequate liquid delivery system? Quick build-up, resulting in a heating of said build-up, which produces what? Ash taste. It's, IMO, not the liquid necessarily that taste like ash, but the the vaping of its build-up. Done.
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