Natural Tobaccos

[jefsview]

I think many confuse "ashy" with "smoky."

 

[Jerms]

I feel this whole "ash" thing has run amok. When people used that term in reference to tobacco eliquid, it was always tobacco absolute as the culprit. Now, I feel, people are using that term when they vape/taste a natural tobacco in under-performing hardware. What happens when some NETs are not used with an adequate liquid delivery system? Quick build-up, resulting in a heating of said build-up, which produces what? Ash taste. It's, IMO, not the liquid necessarily that taste like ash, but the the vaping of its build-up. Done.

I agree that that's often the case. However, when I first tried Blue Grass Burley, ash did come to mind. It was my first experience with a STRONG authentic tobacco vape, and now I wouldn't describe any ashy note in it, but that's where my mind went at the time. I can kind of see how the smoky element of Latakia or other fire cured NETs may translate as ash to some.

But yes, now when I start to taste ash, it means my coil is gunked up and needs to be cleaned and burned. That specific taste, which is the first sign to change drippers for me, is definately ash and I haven't gotten that specific ashy taste from any NET on a clean coil.

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[rdsok]

I feel this whole "ash" thing has run amok. When people used that term in reference to tobacco eliquid, it was always tobacco absolute as the culprit. Now, I feel, people are using that term when they vape/taste a natural tobacco in under-performing hardware. What happens when some NETs are not used with an adequate liquid delivery system? Quick build-up, resulting in a heating of said build-up, which produces what? Ash taste. It's, IMO, not the liquid necessarily that taste like ash, but the the vaping of its build-up. Done.

Going on the hardware caused direction...

I know for a fact that some JDS's come with some type of a VG or PG primer already on them... I've been vaping Big Spirit from N-E-T.com a lot lately on Kanger Protank, Mini PT and Evods... same clean flavor on all... however with the new larger ( 3ml ) Smoktek ARO's I have to clean the coil/wicks or there is definitely an oily like flavor that I get. I'm also certain many of us know how different types of coils and wicks, without the primer on them, can also bring out or mute certain flavor nuances causing the juice to come off and taste differently. These are some of the reasons I don't always place a lot of stock in a review when I'm not familiar with the person reviewing. Many people just take the first taste of a juice as the only way it will ever taste and never try it again simply because they don't know any better or perhaps even know many require steeping to reach their potential.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I agree that that's often the case. However, when I first tried Blue Grass Burley, ash did come to mind. It was my first experience with a STRONG authentic tobacco vape, and now I wouldn't describe any ashy note in it, but that's where my mind went at the time. I can kind of see how the smoky element of Latakia or other fire cured NETs may translate as ash to some.

But yes, now when I start to taste ash, it means my coil is gunked up and needs to be cleaned and burned. That specific taste, which is the first sign to change drippers for me, is definately ash and I haven't gotten that specific ashy taste from any NET on a clean coil.

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Yeah, roger that! My issue, and I am not saying this was your situation, is that the adjective "ash" has been spoken about in eliquid for so long that people's brains have been primed for it. But that priming was for what to expect when dealing with absolutes, not straight NETs. I think since so many are new to NETs, as you point out, "smoky" is the term that best describes some of them in question, but "ash" is in hand. That tastes ashy! Or, no, I mean it tastes smoky. Short of it not being a conflation of similar, albeit, not totally synonymous descriptors, it's an issue with coils.

Clean coils + TA = ash.

Clean coils + (straight) NEts = tobacco (although, not burning tobacco)

 

[Jerms]

I've yet to have one of the straight TA juices, though I have had juices that may contain TA. Is an ashy flavor a result of the process to make TA or is it just the commercial TA that is ashy. My next tobacco order planned is from VelvetCloudVaper who I guess makes their own TA; is that going to have an ashy note?

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[y cherry y]

Yeah, roger that! My issue, and I am not saying this was your situation, is that the adjective "ash" has been spoken about in eliquid for so long that people's brains have been primed for it. But that priming was for what to expect when dealing with absolutes, not straight NETs. I think since so many are new to NETs, as you point out, "smoky" is the term that best describes some of them in question, but "ash" is in hand. That tastes ashy! Or, no, I mean it tastes smoky. Short of it not being a conflation of similar, albeit, not totally synonymous descriptors, it's an issue with coils.

Clean coils + TA = ash.

Clean coils + (straight) NEts = tobacco (although, not burning tobacco)

Yeah, there was a guy on an Ahlusion thread who said that every A+ flavor he tried (not just tobaccos either) tasted like ash, and that he couldn't distinguish them by taste or smell. Pretty sure he had a clearomizer that he was vaping hard on before the wick was soaked. But there was really no arguing about it. When someone says Grape Vine, Apple House Blend and Smokin Cherries smell and taste the same, all ability and need to reason is done gone.

 

[Jerms]

Warning: arti-bacco post..

Started in on the 3rd MountainOakVapors synthetic tobacco flavor from the Silver Label line, Black Forest. This was the one I had the most hope for, and it doesn't disappoint. This is a very good vape; though the other flavors are pushing it into TINO territory I can still taste the tobacco. They use the Classic CountRY4 tobacco flavor with added exotic fruits and black licorice. I really like this, the licorice and fruit notes are sparse, but noticable on exhale. Very well crafted arti-bacco vape that I'd recommend to someone looking for a unique arti-bacco.

TNO I enjoy, but not sure how long I'll drip it until demoting it to on-the-go eVod status. It's good, but hard to compete against the many NETs I have. Black Forest is interesting enough to grab for at home. Gold, I'm not sure of yet. The honey note isn't my favorite, but I need to spend more time with it. Gold will probably hit eVod status fairly quick.

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[MFToms59]

Black Forest was one of my first MOV liquids with Southern Gentleman and Sunday Morning, I loved the liquorice/Anise note and thought it rounded out the Fruit Blend of that juice nicely.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I think many confuse "ashy" with "smoky."

Sorry, I hadn't seen this when I made my long drawn out post about the same thing you put so succinctly.

I've yet to have one of the straight TA juices, though I have had juices that may contain TA. Is an ashy flavor a result of the process to make TA or is it just the commercial TA that is ashy. My next tobacco order planned is from VelvetCloudVaper who I guess makes their own TA; is that going to have an ashy note?

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I am on it. You will. Seriously, I sent the homie TCP, and the the no-longer-posting, Skinniepost some straight TA juices so they could see for themselves how fat that ash was. LOL

 

[Mr.Mann]

I've yet to have one of the straight TA juices, though I have had juices that may contain TA. Is an ashy flavor a result of the process to make TA or is it just the commercial TA that is ashy. My next tobacco order planned is from VelvetCloudVaper who I guess makes their own TA; is that going to have an ashy note?

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Yes and no (it's there, but not in the way as it is with the commercial variety). If you want to taste it, well, holler at Mom and Pop or Paul at Moondrop.co. Frankly, if done right, man, it's great. I got to have a couple TA juices in my stash at all times.

 

[Jerms]

Yes and no (it's there, but not in the way as it is with the commercial variety). If you want to taste it, well, holler at Mom and Pop or Paul at Moondrop.co. Frankly, if done right, man, it's great. I got to have a couple TA juices in my stash at all times.

Yep, M&P are on my queue. Tobacco Haze is the straight up TA right? I also have Conspiracy, RYO, and RYO4 listed to order from them.

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[Mr.Mann]

Yep, M&P are on my queue. Tobacco Haze is the straight up TA right? I also have Conspiracy, RYO, and RYO4 listed to order from them.

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Yes, T.Haze is an absolute liquid (plus some very mysterious flavorings that haunt the palate after a long steep); Conspiracy, RYO and RYO4 have Tobacco Extract (TA's fraternal, water soluble twin).

 

[jefsview]

Sorry, I hadn't seen this when I made my long drawn out post about the same thing you put so succinctly.



I am on it. You will. Seriously, I sent the homie TCP, and the the no-longer-posting, Skinniepost some straight TA juices so they could see for themselves how fat that ash was. LOL

That's okay. When you're on a roll, you're on a roll

 

[Big Juicy]

Germans???

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

It's been a Vita Bella kind of night...

Been savoring some 3 month old VB in a Protank on my ProVari (recently liberated from Luigi at GeJ) and it's just delectable. Gone through almost 3 ml. in the past 2 hours alone whilst sipping on some Gentleman Jack.

Life is good sometimes...

 

[jefsview]

It's been a Vita Bella kind of night...

Been savoring some 3 month old VB in a Protank on my ProVari (recently liberated from Luigi at GeJ) and it's just delectable. Gone through almost 3 ml. in the past 2 hours alone whilst sipping on some Gentleman Jack.

Life is good sometimes...

Which did you liberate from Luigi: the Provari, the Protank, or the VB?

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

Which did you liberate from Luigi: the Provari, the Protank, or the VB?

The ProVari. He had it sitting on his desk and commented how he perfers VW devices now, so I said sell me your ProVari then. And he did, for $50. Said I could use it for a week or two first, see if I like it. I'll be forking over the 50 bones to him on Monday.

 

[AnthonyB]

Patriot tastes like ALL cigar to me. Woodsy, oakey, rich layered cigar. I've always thought of pipes as grassy, lighter bodied. Anything as robust and full bodied as Patriot is surely cigar?

Yep, Patriot plays as a cig, cigar, or pipe tobacco depending on the person. For me it's too complex to be cig. Maybe cigar if I stretch my imagination, but mainly straight-up pipe. Fairly dry, little bit of sweetness, and layers of tobacco flavor.

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[AnthonyB]

Big Juicy, I should be getting my Big Spirit any day now. It sounds like my kind of vape and even more so reading this description you've made. I really like any liquid that represents an analog cigar or cigarette and for some reason, really revere extractions that faithfully represent the latter category. It's for this reason I love Lousville, Acid Blondie extractions and Paris. If I let go of the fact that Patriot is an extraction of 4 leafs I would think it was just a mere cigarette extraction with Stogie elements to it.

I get the feeling I am really going to like Big Spirit and judging by Clay's product to date, I have full trust that Big Spirit will live up to my expectations in the same way I got that sixth sense about The Blond. I certainly hope this one didn't get lost in the mail room somewhere in the US.

Speaking of the Blonde, I have Coffee Infused Cigar and CI Cigar on the way. Have you tried those? I reckon those two would be well up your alley and I am surprised you have not mentioned them, at least I haven't seen any thread by you on those two juices.

I know what you mean about the Patriot but it doesn't detract from the juice for me. Do you think it's the perique? Or could it be that Nick uses Ethyl Maltol in it to sweeten the juice up a bit and maybe its that sweetness that makes it seem artificial? Having vaped a lot of QNj, NET.com and W2v lately, Patriot does seem a little over sweet for what is essentially supposed to be nothing more than burley, virginia, Cavendish and Perique. Perhaps it is the Cav and Perique that, in this case, make Patriot taste sweet.

Having said that, Patriot is a great juice but I too seem to put it back in my sea of liquids fairly quickly after vaping a few mls.

I have been vaping MOV - Southern Gentlemen in my RSST today. Man that is one FINE juice. The newer batch of it has more tobacco impact and a lovely underlying whiskey tinge to it or perhaps champagne. Maybe a mild, tinge of champagne. Ripe, grassy burley. Minimal sweetness. Very much like Lousville. It's grassy but not overly bold like Apache or Devil Dog so makes for a fine all day vape.

Like QNJ, I don't see MOV any rung below the well established powerhouses of Gej or HHV. They are right up there for me.

I also disagree. I also submit that BS tastes more like American spirit and in a purer. More succinct form. There has always been something about Patriot that at the very last second of a vape bothers me. It is almost...an artificiality. I cnt lit my finger on it but I know it is there. There is some element that on a minuscule level knocks it authenticity down for me. Something isn't right, something very small, but something. The princess and the pea. Big Spirit succeeds in all the very subtle, nuanced ways Patriot does not...plus it performs just as well and tastes better. My first reaction was: this is why patriot is going for...that there is a purity of extract, a cleanness here, a REALNESS that Patriot just misses...and that this is what a ciggie shkd taste like. If you ever wondered if you TRULYike the taste of good analog ciggie blends or justices the nix and/or smoke...try this juice. I love clean fresh unfettered tobacco and I love this stuff for what it is.

 

[AnthonyB]

That would be a dream come true lol. A hot woman with a fine stogie in her hand. Lying on a bed passing the stogie back and forward. One can dream.

I disagree, and I submit to you a fine example of dating and tobacco mixing together swimmingly...

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