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It's a pressure equalizing system. If you put a straw in water, cover the end with your finger to seal it and then pull the straw out of the water, a certain amount of water remains in the straw, held by the vacuum from the seal of your finger.
Now put the bottom of the straw in your mouth and give a very slight pull, keeping the seal with your finger on the top. A little water will be pulled into your mouth and a few air bubbles will travel up the straw to equalize the pressure above the water. Nature hates a vacuum, as the old saying goes.
An advantage of the side air hole is that it's easy to cover with finger or thumb to seal it, then give a sharp little pull without firing. That will check your seals, and also pull in juice if your setup isn't wicking properly. I'm constantly doing that, not because I need to, but because I think there's a difference between a well fed wick and a fully saturated one. I just think of it as dripping or sqonking lol.
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Huh, still not 'seeing' it. And yeah, I know the straw/vacuum trick and nature abhorring a vacuum. I just don't see how it relates to the straw analogy. But hey, as long as it works. I'm sure it'll all click once I have it in hand and working.
Thank for taking the time to explain it to me, though. Even though I didn't much get it.
Much appreciated. I will try your tips, too.Shat, the liquid gets pushed into the chamber through the channels on the deck of the kayfun where the welcoming wicks suck it up. It's really very similar to a bottom coil design. Got a bottom coil? Pretty much the same thing.
So do you put the wick in the hole? I just don't see how it's drawn up. But like I said: if it works that's all that matters. I'm just a sucker for figuring out how things work, taking apart and reassembly.
billherbst, do you also do cold maceration? I was wondering if one grinds up the tobacco in a spice/coffee grinder into an almost powder, that'll speed up the cold maceration. The filtering might be a problem though...
Thanks.
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The liquid runs up the channels on the side of the deck to the wick. The wick brings it to the coil. Route the wick across the channel(s) at the deck's surface, not in it. Plenty of good YouTube vids on KFL builds to be had.
Mark Todd (Todd's Reviews)
Andrew W Vids
Shat, the wick drapes over the side of that pedestal where your coil is mounted. That pedestal is surrounded by a chamber. The juice channels cut across that chamber where the wicks are draped over.
Go to the Kayfun Lite thread and look at the myriad of pictures. Watch, people like to post pictures of all their crap. Don't mix them up with the KFL.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/rebuildable-atomizer-systems/436118-kayfun-lite.html
First off, it's not a vacuum, it's a difference of atmospheric pressure. Picture a closed system like a beer keg with a plate in the middle that has a plug. On one side you have high pressure, the other side has lower pressure. When you pull the plug the vessel equalizes the pressure with some of the high going into the low side until it's equal on both sides.
It's understandable for one to think the low pressure side has a vacuum that is filled when the plug is pulled, but this is not the case. Your Respiratory System works the same way. I know, you will never believe that on inhale your sucking on the mouthpiece and filling your lungs. Not so. Your Diaphragm moves downward and makes space in your lungs that are filled by equalizing the pressure. There is a pressure differential between the outside atmospheric pressure and the pressure drop in your lungs on inhale.
This is why long time vapers know that sucking on the mouthpiece floods the coil area and leaks through the connector into the battery top and pools there because of the connector seal. The proper method is to loosen your lips around the mouthpiece and inhale both through the mouthpiece and the outside air. Don't seal your lips around the mouthpiece and suck on it. This will just move juice up and into the tube that runs down to the coil and floods.
A little long winded but I hope it helps.
It's understandable for one to think the low pressure side has a vacuum that is filled when the plug is pulled, but this is not the case. Your Respiratory System works the same way. I know, you will never believe that on inhale your sucking on the mouthpiece and filling your lungs. Not so. Your Diaphragm moves downward and makes space in your lungs that are filled by equalizing the pressure. There is a pressure differential between the outside atmospheric pressure and the pressure drop in your lungs on inhale.
This is why long time vapers know that sucking on the mouthpiece floods the coil area and leaks through the connector into the battery top and pools there because of the connector seal. The proper method is to loosen your lips around the mouthpiece and inhale both through the mouthpiece and the outside air. Don't seal your lips around the mouthpiece and suck on it. This will just move juice up and into the tube that runs down to the coil and floods.
A little long winded but I hope it helps.
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Really??
I had no idea people vaped like that, I've always sealed my lips around the mouthpiece.
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I did, doesn't work well for me. I'm using a dripper though, are you talking about how to vape on a Kayfun or on drippers too?
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Hmmmm, guess I've been doing it wrong. Ain't changing though lol.
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boomerdude if you are punking us, it's working. i tried your method and ... no, just no.
this reminds me: why oh why does dripping yield so much more flavor? i've heard quite a few theories on the matter and none of them struck me as true.
this reminds me: why oh why does dripping yield so much more flavor? i've heard quite a few theories on the matter and none of them struck me as true.
You can put the wick in the channels but most don't. This post contains a link to a good video on setting up the kayfun or clone in case you haven't seen it. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/472178-micro-coil-videos-3.html#post10814438
On the wicking part, when you vape and pull air through the chamber it's because you've created some vacuum with your mouth. This allows a little juice to come up the channels as well, because the vacuum in your mouth is stronger than the vacuum at the top of the juice.
The slight problem with my explanation it that I'm calling the force a vacuum when it's more like the force to prevent a vacuum from being formed but hopefully you get what I mean.
A similar thing might be the feed on a paint sprayer, or the soap or chemical container on a garden hose.
I think it's because the coil is so saturated with juice that brings out the best flavor. With wicking devices, the wick and coil are wet, but not as saturated as when dripped directly on. With disposable atties, you can tell when to drip because the flavor starts to drop. It's still wet, but not as saturated.
With my rebuildable drippers I don't use a bunch of wick to hold juice. Just a small tail, with a pool of juice in there. When I vape, the coil points up so it isn't submerged in the juice, but when I put the device vertical again it allows more juice to fully saturate the coil.
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Ahh, I thought maybe you did it Boomer's way too.
I honestly can't see it working well unless someone direct lung inhales. Maybe I'm missing something.
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