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Tell ya I'm really enjoying the El Toro Virgina, it's really a true real taste and different then just regular liquids, and an All Day Vape for me. I wonder if it ups the MG by adding the Real tobacco leaves to the juice, like if your buying say 12MG and then the bottle is filled with all these tobacco leaves will that up the MG some ??? Either way this is the real deal and very flavorful and just right in my opnion, I likey :)
 

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Have you read this? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html That is pretty much the deal on WTA (it's worth several reads). NETs are something entirely different. There may be more of a feeling related to smoking through the taste of real tobacco leaves, like from W2V or Ahlusion or House of Liquid, but if in fact NET juices have any whole tobacco alkaloids it would probably be negligible. I do get a head rush from some NET juices if the nic is high enough, but it is not a sustained feeling like that of WTA juices. WTA extraction leaves certain alkaloids in; NET is about extracting flavor, though some other elements may come out, it would be happenstance, not intention. I vape both WTA and NET almost entirely.

Yes I read the article, it set me to wondering about the possible problems with WTA. It seems to me that the taste issue you mention is more important to me. Really don't need to get stoned. Was there, did that. Poppy stuff many moons ago. No thanks on getting blasted. Well, I ordered from HHV hope I didn't go too far amok. So the other vendors you mentioned above is better as far as more real taste goes. I didn't realize the differences between vendors. Oh well, will try them when possible. I'd agree that what has been rather weak in my 555 juices has definitely been tobacco flavor. OK, live and learn. Thanks.
 

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Yea! Way to go Mwa! Uhhhh.......Mr Mann? ........Hee hee hee. :D

Tell ya I'm really enjoying the El Toro Virgina, it's really a true real taste and different then just regular liquids, and an All Day Vape for me. I wonder if it ups the MG by adding the Real Tobacco leaves to the juice, like if your buying say 12MG and then the bottle is filled with all these tobacco leaves will that up the MG some ??? Either way this is the real deal and very flavorful and just right in my opnion, I likey :)
 
What about an NET WTA juice...that would be at the top of the vape chain. Maybe if I dream hard enough about it, it will appear in my mailbox.

Maybe it's not a dream???????????????????????????????????????
not a dream mr mann you could do that vapelicious sells a diy wta nic base that has the nic and wta that is meant for you to add your own flavoring
you could if so inclined add this base to the hov extraction kit instead of just pg/vg for 5 to 10 days and walla net and wta
 

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Tthe English won that one too din't they? :evil: Mind you, the Iceni (where I come from) also look darn good in blue woad. Admittedly Georgio is the master of El Toro, but we adopted him and even named our saint's day after him. Hold on....wait!....Oh.... OK So that was a different George I guess...:D

 
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not a dream mr mann you could do that vapelicious sells a diy wta nic base that has the nic and wta that is meant for you to add your own flavoring
you could if so inclined add this base to the hov extraction kit instead of just pg/vg for 5 to 10 days and walla net and wta


Can't you purchase the WTA and add it to the NET? Not really sure about dilution levels though. Just wondering.


Yes you can. The problem would then be my overhead. I am not a DIY guy and the HOL purchase was because it was a limited and quite novel. I really would rather not buy a minimum of a dollar a mL at a base line of $36 dollars for the level that I want the WTA to be. The testing and different applications would end up being too costly as opposed to just having the professionals do it for me (the HOL price in addition to the WTA DIY price). Of course it would be cheaper in the long run, but I am on and artists budget, which is always short run. ;) Maybe if I start purchasing my own tobacco leaves, which I am looking into, then it may be feasible, but still not very practical.


So the other vendors you mentioned above is better as far as more real taste goes. I didn't realize the differences between vendors. Oh well, will try them when possible. I'd agree that what has been rather weak in my 555 juices has definitely been tobacco flavor. OK, live and learn. Thanks.


Well, I don't know if I would say the other vendors are better for real taste necessarily, because everyone perceives taste differently. But, I many people that love HHV and those kind of extracts tend to not like the heavier, put-your-face-in-it style and vice versa. Without sampling the lot, it can only be a guess as to which you'd prefer.

I haven't tried WTA (except for a few puffs the other day) for fear getting hooked on something again that I've already managed to kick once, so I can't really give you a direct comparison. I haven't really noticed any additional (chemically-based) calming effect from NET's versus other non-extracts that I vape on occasion. It might be there, but if it is, it's so subtle that I haven't noticed it. I am calmed by the satisfaction of getting a quality-made product that I enjoy though, for what it's worth. For the most part I personally treat these juices like their flammable counterparts and unwind with a nice cigar or pipe juice, and more cigarette-y or non-extracted juices are more for utilitarian consumption, but I think that's mostly psychological.

Yes I read the article, it set me to wondering about the possible problems with WTA. It seems to me that the taste issue you mention is more important to me. Really don't need to get stoned. Was there, did that. Poppy stuff many moons ago. No thanks on getting blasted.

As far as WTA being something beyond the pale and addictive? It's really not, the nicotine is what is addictive here (the alkaloids may be more psychologically addictive, maybe). In the end, it really is only for some people; for the rest, it is just an added and unnecessary expense. Remember, not all illict products are downers, a lot fall into the same category as nicotine, a stimulant. There really is no escaping connections here. Trust me, I want to stay away from rebellious stimulants nowadays, but similar side-effects have been reported with coffee and nicotine as with some of the darker side of stims.
 

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I'm doing some research myself now about buying fresh cured tobacco leaves and making some of my own DIY tobacco liquids. There is a forum to read up some on tobacco here = Leaf Only Tobacco Leaf Forums - Index page and real cured tobacco leaves can be purchased here = Whole Tobacco Leaves by the Pound, Buy Tobacco Leaf, Bulk Tobacco, Fronto Leaf, Cigar Wrappers, Binders, and Fillers and some other places too. So it will be fun trying to use different tobacco leave in my own DIY juices and see how it turns out, if anyone else wants to try this and compare notes let me know this may be a good idea to do so we can get some better juices.
 

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I'm doing some research myself now about buying fresh cured tobacco leaves and making some of my own DIY tobacco liquids. There is a forum to read up some on tobacco here = Leaf Only Tobacco Leaf Forums - Index page and real cured tobacco leaves can be purchased here = Whole Tobacco Leaves by the Pound, Buy Tobacco Leaf, Bulk Tobacco, Fronto Leaf, Cigar Wrappers, Binders, and Fillers and some other places too. So it will be fun trying to use different tobacco leave in my own DIY juices and see how it turns out, if anyone else wants to try this and compare notes let me know this may be a good idea to do so we can get some better juices.

That what I have been looking at today. Very good prices.
 
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OK - I'm going to be all girlie and/or sacrilegious-or something (but you can fill in the blanks offline)......and fess up to finding Devil Dog not to my personal liking. The juice: great clarity and purity. Vapor - plenty. Draw: excellent. Flavour - - - - !!! to MY tastebuds ONLY before you all take me off your friend lists - - - - !!! = Davidoff Scottish Pipe which is a mix - Virginia, Burley, Kentucky Plus Scotch whisky. Does anyone else taste this or is it "just one of them things" to me? (be nice Mr. Mann). (El Toro El Toro El Toro) PS The reason I don't like, is because I don't like scotch whisky)
 
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I just placed an order for a bunch of different tobacco leaves from the Leaveonly dot com website, my order is below =

Samples - Canadian Virginia Flue Cured
Samples - Brightleaf Virginia Flue Cured - Sweet
Samples - Aged Nicaraguan Seco Long Filler
Samples - Burley

I prefer a sweet and smokey, cigarette type tobacco over the cigar myself, but also got the sample of Nicaraguan Seco because it just looked good and figured I could add this to one of the others with my steeping or use it by itself. I'm looking forward to doing this, should be fun and I should be able to make some Super Nic base's for flavored juice Mixes as well as using straight up :) Keep you all tuned into my results once it arrives and I make my first batch up :)
 

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OK - I'm going to be all girlie and/or sacrilegious-or something (but you can fill in the blanks offline)......and fess up to finding Devil Dog not to my personal liking. The juice: great clarity and purity. Vapor - plenty. Draw: excellent. Flavour - - - - !!! to MY tastebuds ONLY before you all take me off your friend lists - - - - !!! = Davidoff Scottish Pipe which is a mix - Virginia, Burley, Kentucky Plus Scotch whisky. Does anyone else taste this or is it "just one of them things" to me? (be nice Mr. Mann). (El Toro El Toro El Toro)

You are fine Hula. No requirements here except "ho hating!" NO, I don't get that taste you are talking about, though I can understand how that flavor could come off that way. You are a little too awesome to be dismissed over your own tastes. You are the ruler of your domain and that domain includes all things vapeage!

p.s. It's not like you said Dekang tastes better than Patriot or something. LOL. But honestly, that would be okay too, maybe a little goofy, but okay. ;)
 

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Oh and the samples are cheap, ranging from $4.99-$7.99 = 1/4 pound , I thought this was a wise move instead of buying pounds, this will also allow you to find what Tobacco's you like best and not have to spend to much doing so. We may be able to trade some if any others do this too.
 
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