Natural Tobaccos

[Tezcatlipoca]

Alright, I figure this is as good as a place as any to ask (if not feel free to point me in the right direction). I'm trying to buy a few sample packs for a friend who's trying to make the switch over from analogues. This is what I've came up with:

Halo Electronic Cigarette : Tribeca
E-Cigarettes,E-Liquids,Atomizers,Drip Tips,Electronic Cigarettes| Woodstock, GA : PV4, Natural tobacco, Killer Cowboy tobacco (would get Last Tango instead but they're out)
Vaperite | Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Supplies : Organic VR4, RY4, Tobacco
Heathers Heavenly Vapes, Top Quality Custom E-Liquids : Dark Horse, Gandalf, Heavenly Tobacco, Angels Kiss

Anyone have any experience with any of those, or can tell me if I have too many duplicates of the same flavor that I can eliminate (I know Tribeca, PV4, VR4, RY4, and Heavenly Tobacco are basically the same, but I dunno which is best)?

Thanks in advance!

I second and third Hulamoon and Scarf-Ace's suggestions. A lot of people love Tribeca, and a lot of people don't. Halo's juices seem to be hit or miss with people, but they do perform well in terms of throat-hit and vapor-production, which of course are also important factors for someone who is switching over. Given the options, I think that the HHV juices are your best bet, because they are pretty generally likeable and tend not to gunk up equipment as badly as the others (not counting Halo, which tends to be pretty clean -- their Freedom and/or Captain Jack might be good options), which can be frustrating for noob and experienced vaper alike. If I might throw another pony into the race, Ahlusion's Blue Grass Burley would be an excellent juice for someone coming off analogs. It performs well, and fairly faithfully recreates the act of smoking a dark smokey pipe tobacco.

 

[Bronze]

HHV's Angel's Kiss is not a tobacco.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Alright, I figure this is as good as a place as any to ask (if not feel free to point me in the right direction). I'm trying to buy a few sample packs for a friend who's trying to make the switch over from analogues. This is what I've came up with:

Halo Electronic Cigarette : Tribeca
E-Cigarettes,E-Liquids,Atomizers,Drip Tips,Electronic Cigarettes| Woodstock, GA : PV4, Natural Tobacco, Killer Cowboy Tobacco (would get Last Tango instead but they're out)
Vaperite | Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Supplies : Organic VR4, RY4, Tobacco
Heathers Heavenly Vapes, Top Quality Custom E-Liquids : Dark Horse, Gandalf, Heavenly Tobacco, Angels Kiss

Anyone have any experience with any of those, or can tell me if I have too many duplicates of the same flavor that I can eliminate (I know Tribeca, PV4, VR4, RY4, and Heavenly Tobacco are basically the same, but I dunno which is best)?

Thanks in advance!

Before I start to distinguish between any of these juices, I would need to know what kind of hardware and JDS (juice delivery systems) you currently use, or what you will be using.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Okay, taste acclimation complete! Fire Cured is treating me very kind today and I am loving it. I won't use the other name, since the last time I did I think I jinxed the Tigers, so I will use our beloved former managers name after the series is over (though it ain't lookin' good. )

 

[Maconi]

Before I start to distinguish between any of these juices, I would need to know what kind of hardware and JDS (juice delivery systems) you currently use, or what you will be using.

He was using an 808 Cartomizer before but it just didn't cut it (didn't satisfy enough to give up analogues) so this time we're going with a Cobra Genesis (3ml tank) with a Provari (both ordered, waiting for them to arrive, gonna try to buy some SS mesh wicks and wire soon and have them ready). I just ordered a pack of:

Heather's Heavenly Vapes
Flavor #1 Dark Horse
Flavor #2 Dragons Fire
Flavor #3 Heavenly Tobacco
Flavor #4 Huntsman

Which come in 3ml (each sample enough for 1 full tank), 12mg, 70/30. So hopefully that does well (the extra PG gives more throat hit anyway right? which I'm hoping will satisfy the craving for analogues).

I'm still open to more suggestions though, the more options we provide him the better.

 

[Hulamoon]

Good choices. How many cigarettes is he smoking? I ask because if its a pack a day then 18-24 mg nicotine will probably be more satisfying during those "gimme a cigarette or I'll go nuts" moments but the 12 will still work well in the evenings before bedtime. Again, Want2Vape is an excellent choice for tobaccos, basically 3 mg x 10 bottles - and because of the small size bottles would almost certainly be pretty much steeped and ready to try by the time you receive. They are another Natural extracted tobacco vendor and imo one of the best if that's what you're looking for. GoodEjuice gets high marks too and - of course - Ahlusion Smooth Criminal and the Burley tobacco

He was using an 808 Cartomizer before but it just didn't cut it (didn't satisfy enough to give up analogues) so this time we're going with a Cobra Genesis (3ml tank) with a Provari (both ordered, waiting for them to arrive, gonna try to buy some SS mesh wicks and wire soon and have them ready). I just ordered a pack of:

Heather's Heavenly Vapes
Flavor #1 Dark Horse
Flavor #2 Dragons Fire
Flavor #3 Heavenly Tobacco
Flavor #4 Huntsman

Which come in 3ml (each sample enough for 1 full tank), 12mg, 70/30. So hopefully that does well (the extra PG gives more throat hit anyway right? which I'm hoping will satisfy the craving for analogues).

I'm still open to more suggestions though, the more options we provide him the better.

 

[LongDraw]

He was using an 808 Cartomizer before but it just didn't cut it (didn't satisfy enough to give up analogues) so this time we're going with a Cobra Genesis (3ml tank) with a Provari (both ordered, waiting for them to arrive, gonna try to buy some SS mesh wicks and wire soon and have them ready). I just ordered a pack of:

Heather's Heavenly Vapes
Flavor #1 Dark Horse
Flavor #2 Dragons Fire
Flavor #3 Heavenly Tobacco
Flavor #4 Huntsman

Which come in 3ml (each sample enough for 1 full tank), 12mg, 70/30. So hopefully that does well (the extra PG gives more throat hit anyway right? which I'm hoping will satisfy the craving for analogues).

I'm still open to more suggestions though, the more options we provide him the better.

Actually I am using a cobra and provari at this moment, great set up in my opinion. I have tried all the HHV juices you ordered. The only one I thought odd was Dark Horse, for whatever reason when I first had it there was a nice tobaccor/cigarette flavor, but after it steeped I only got a flower tea flavor. It was never mixed in anything not sure why i tasted that. Actually still have about 2 ml left and will need to try it in my cobra, only used in in novas before.

From GEJ I have perique, arcadian and vita steeping. Shipped on the 10-20 and when I tried dripping the other day I wasn't getting any flavor, also I don't notice any smell. Any suggestions on steeping time before I toss one in the cobra to try?

 

[Bronze]

Actually I am using a cobra and provari at this moment, great set up in my opinion. I have tried all the HHV juices you ordered. The only one I thought odd was Dark Horse, for whatever reason when I first had it there was a nice tobaccor/cigarette flavor, but after it steeped I only got a flower tea flavor. It was never mixed in anything not sure why i tasted that. Actually still have about 2 ml left and will need to try it in my cobra, only used in in novas before.

From GEJ I have perique, arcadian and vita steeping. Shipped on the 10-20 and when I tried dripping the other day I wasn't getting any flavor, also I don't notice any smell. Any suggestions on steeping time before I toss one in the cobra to try?

No flavor from Vita? That one came out of the bottle when I decapped it and it slugged me right in the kisser! It took several weeks for that one to calm down and take on its distinctive flavor.

 

[Maconi]

Good choices. How many cigarettes is he smoking? I ask because if its a pack a day then 18-24 mg nicotine will probably be more satisfying during those "gimme a cigarette or I'll go nuts" moments but the 12 will still work well in the evenings before bedtime.

There wasn't a choice with HHV, the samples only come in 12mg. Honestly what I'm worried about is possibly having to cut it even more lol. He's currently smoking Carlton cigs which are lighter than a lot of light cigs (Nicotine, Tar, and CO Content of Regular Cigarette Brands shows the nic content of a bunch of cigs, dunno how accurate that specific list is though).

I suppose we'll see lol. I'll take a look at those vendors as well. Thanks for all the help.

 

[LongDraw]

No flavor from Vita? That one came out of the bottle when I decapped it and it slugged me right in the kisser! It took several weeks for that one to calm down and take on its distinctive flavor.

I tried the perique first, haven't tried the others yet. Maybe it was my atomizer. I was using a 3.5 ohm io6, in the io6 dca. It seems to have added a .5 ohm with it in the dca and I had bumped up the power plenty just didn't seem strong. About to refill the cobra really thinking of trying it in there.

 

[Mr.Mann]

He was using an 808 Cartomizer before but it just didn't cut it (didn't satisfy enough to give up analogues) so this time we're going with a Cobra Genesis (3ml tank) with a Provari (both ordered, waiting for them to arrive, gonna try to buy some SS mesh wicks and wire soon and have them ready). I just ordered a pack of:

Heather's Heavenly Vapes
Flavor #1 Dark Horse
Flavor #2 Dragons Fire
Flavor #3 Heavenly Tobacco
Flavor #4 Huntsman

Which come in 3ml (each sample enough for 1 full tank), 12mg, 70/30. So hopefully that does well (the extra PG gives more throat hit anyway right? which I'm hoping will satisfy the craving for analogues).

I'm still open to more suggestions though, the more options we provide him the better.

I have a sheet of 400 mesh and a spool of 30 guage Kanthal if you are interested...

I would say go with GeJ and get Fire Cured, Wrangler Lite and Patriot all at 32 mg. Yep, I said 32 mg. Next, I would not advise using a genesis type with these. Others may say suggest using genesis types of attys with these juices, but I feel it amplifies all aspects of the tobacco but some of those aspects should remain quiet. For getting the most out of those juices, I'd recommend a bridgeless 510 atty from empire mods. No drip shield required. I also love the 306s and 901, but the easiest use to start would be the 510 IMO.

I would also advise against Prime Vaping. I think their flavors are terribly weak and even with extra flavor your friend will wonder if he is tasting anything at all. I did, but I wasn't sure that it was me or not.

I would not suggest W2V for genesis or regular attys simply because I am not sure if your friend will be quite ready to want those "kinds" of tobacco. He should do just fine with the juices FC, WL and Patriot.

EDIT**(Forgot to finish my thought) GeJ 32 mg is IMO equal to the strength of most 24 mg juices. Actually, NLV Gold 18 mg is about the same strength to me as GeJ 32 mg (well, close enough). I don't know what it is, but Nick's nic laugh doesn't seem very potent, but it is clean. Maybe get a sample of 32 mg and 12 mg and that way he could tone down the juice if need be.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Actually I am using a cobra and provari at this moment, great set up in my opinion. I have tried all the HHV juices you ordered. The only one I thought odd was Dark Horse, for whatever reason when I first had it there was a nice tobaccor/cigarette flavor, but after it steeped I only got a flower tea flavor. It was never mixed in anything not sure why i tasted that. Actually still have about 2 ml left and will need to try it in my cobra, only used in in novas before.

From GEJ I have perique, arcadian and vita steeping. Shipped on the 10-20 and when I tried dripping the other day I wasn't getting any flavor, also I don't notice any smell. Any suggestions on steeping time before I toss one in the cobra to try?

Perique, Acadian Gold, and Wild Turkey are tasting weak these days. Right now it is not the season for those tobaccos, so the specific tobaccos are weak. I would suggest those come spring. VB should not be weak, but it could be your specific set-up -- it does not perform adequately IMO in some set-ups. I feel dripping is the most direct and efficient way at getting the most out of GeJ, even though, not all attys will generate the same depth of flavor. Others will tell you differently, but that has been my experience.

p.s. It is unfortunate about AC, WT and NP from GeJ being weak right now. A few people in this thread have not had them at their peak, and I can tell you, the difference is night and day. Out of season, those tobaccos taste incomplete, or like they weren't ready to come out of the oven.

 

[Bronze]

Say Mr. Mann. I have a question for you. Not sure you have an answer but it's still worth asking and if you're not sure it might be a good question to ask one of your juice buddies. With all these seasonal issues and volatility issues with keeping tobacco smoke juice consistent, are there any barriers for a juice vendor to make enough extract when it is "in season" to last a year, two, three? I mean, some of the obvious questions are cost and shelf life. I don't have the answers for those and perhaps there are other constraints I'm unaware of. Just curious.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

I have a sheet of 400 mesh and a spool of 30 guage Kanthal if you are interested...

I would say go with GeJ and get Fire Cured, Wrangler Lite and Patriot all at 32 mg. Yep, I said 32 mg. Next, I would not advise using a genesis type with these. Others may say suggest using genesis types of attys with these juices, but I feel it amplifies all aspects of the tobacco but some of those aspects should remain quiet. For getting the most out of those juices, I'd recommend a bridgeless 510 atty from empire mods. No drip shield required. I also love the 306s and 901, but for the easiest use to start would be the 510 IMO.

I would also advise against Prime Vaping. I think their flavors are terribly weak and even with extra flavor your friend will wonder if he is tasting anything at all.

I would not suggest W2V for genesis or regular attys simply because I am not sure if your friend will be quite ready to want those "kinds" of tobacco. He should so just fine with the juices FC, WL and Patriot.

Out of curiosity, why are you recommending those juices at 32 mg? I was pretty hooked on Marlboros and Camels when I started vaping at 24 mg, but quickly moved down to 18, which as it turned out was my sweet-spot while I was getting over the hump. I got some 32 at one point early on and it actually made me feel nauseous. I have another friend who quit smoking on 6 mg juice, although he chain vapes all day.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Say Mr. Mann. I have a question for you. Not sure you have an answer but it's still worth asking and if you're not sure it might be a good question to ask one of your juice buddies. With all these seasonal issues and volatility issues with keeping tobacco smoke juice consistent, are there any barriers for a juice vendor to make enough extract when it is "in season" to last a year, two, three? I mean, some of the obvious questions are cost and shelf life. I don't have the answers for those and perhaps there are other constraints I'm unaware of. Just curious.

You ask good questions. I really don't know, but this was a situation where I wished I would've know about that seasonal thing while the season was present.

Out of curiosity, why are you recommending those juices at 32 mg? I was pretty hooked on Marlboros and Camels when I started vaping at 24 mg, but quickly moved down to 18, which as it turned out was my sweet-spot while I was getting over the hump. I got some 32 at one point early on and it actually made me feel nauseous. I have another friend who quit smoking on 6 mg juice, although he chain vapes all day.

Tez, I completely forgot to write why I was saying that and also to finish my thoughts on it. I meant to say that GeJ 32 mg is IMO equal to the strength of most 24 mg juices. Actually, NLV Gold 18 mg is about the same strength to me as GeJ 32 mg. I don't know what it is, but Nick's nic ( ) doesn't seem very potent, but it is clean. Maybe if he were to get a sample of 32 mg and 12 mg he could tone down the juice if need be.

I should amend that post. However, I still assert that GeJ high nic is not as aggressive as it may sound.

 

[Tezcatlipoca]

I completely forgot to write why I was saying that, Tez, and also to finish my thoughts on it. I meant to say that GeJ 32 mg is IMO equal to the strength of most 24 mg juices. Actually, NLV Gold 18 mg is about the same strength to me as GeJ 32 mg. I don't know what it is, but Nick's nic ( ) doesn't seem very potent. Also, I meant to say that he would get a sample of 32 mg, it would be easiest (from GeJ in particular) to assess where his nic level sweet spot would be -- can't go higher, but lower would be easy.

I should amend that post. However, I still assert that GeJ high nic is not as aggressive as it may sound.

Ah, now that makes sense! If I vaped NLV or Ahlusion at 32, I'm pretty sure I would go into cardiac arrest!

 

[Bronze]

You ask good questions. I really don't know, but this was a situation where I wished I would've know about that seasonal thing while the season was present.

I've asked and was told only that it was "under consideration". I clearly do not know the business, but I can't believe raw tobacco is that expensive. But like everything else, what do I know? I could believe if someone told me there were a shelf life to either the raw tobacco or the extract. But again, what do I know? What I do know is what you know. It would be nice to at least know when the "season" ends on a particular extract so we could fill our cupboards to last the "off-season".

 

[Mr.Mann]

I've asked and was told only that it was "under consideration". I clearly do not know the business, but I can't believe raw tobacco is that expensive. But like everything else, what do I know? I could believe if someone told me there were a shelf life to either the raw tobacco or the extract. But again, what do I know? What I do know is what you know. It would be nice to at least know when the "season" ends on a particular extract so we could fill our cupboards to last the "off-season".

Yeah, that was a bit of a blemish for me. Not to say that Nick hasn't made up for it, because he has, but I know there are a lot of people that aren't as persistent and dogged as I am. I feel bad for them, and subsequently Nick; cause if they don't know, they are likely to believe that his juices, based on a few, don't taste like much.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Ah, now that makes sense! If I vaped NLV or Ahlusion at 32, I'm pretty sure I would go into cardiac arrest!

When I first got BGB at 24 mg, I had the whole pot of coffee extract in a shot! I am used to it now, or rather, I am not affected by it now, but at first I was like, DANG!

 

[EleanorR]

So you're saying I need to get my BGB at 12, NOT 18, mg!!