Natural Tobaccos

[Mr.Mann]

My problem is not fire cured tobacco, for I eat way more carcinogenic laden food than I vape FC tobacco. It's almost summer which means the grills are going to get fired up soon. Any food that has been on a grill and looks like it's been on a grill, i.e., charred or char marks has chemical structure's that change and become carcinogenic. Hell, high heat can cause this even without the open flame.

Nutrition and dietary carcinogens: Oxford

Hey, if you want to not vape fire-cured tobacco, I understand. If you want to switch to eat raw foods abstaining from fire or high heat, I understand (I know people who have). The only thing that I know for a fact that will most certainly lead to death is life--we're all doomed. Life causes death, it's a fact.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Edit: this is in response to Bronze. I think the beer is taking hold.

As an avid smoker of meats, the following may be biased.

I'm not concerned. Grilling food creates carcinogens as well along with all the fumes you inhale from anything from car exhaust to perfume. Fried foods, even baking something can produce similar effects. Getting a flavor from this smoking process is probably way, way down the list of potentially harmful things you run into every day. Sure, there could be something there but it's negligible in the grand scheme of things. My opinion is if it keeps you from smoking that is a GOOD thing. I am also a recent quitter so others may not have that in mind.

I hadn't seen this but I had a similar reaction. What will I eat today? Boiled or blackened fish? Easy choice.

 

[scarf-ace]

Doesn't worry me. And even if it did, all our tobacco is "fired" with the heat of the atomizer. I guess a case could be made that vaping natural tobacco flavors regularly is on the whole more risky than vaping fruits or desserts. but not to the extent that I would be seriously concerned.

I haven't smoked in 15 months. I just threw away my last Bricanyl inhaler. I have my health concerns, but recurring bouts of bronchitis isn't one of them anymore.

 

[gthompson]

Any food that has been on a grill and looks like it's been on a grill, i.e., charred or char marks has chemical structure's that change and become carcinogenic.

I'm doomed and don't care.

 

[AnthonyB]

It's good to reflect on why we are here, discussing NETs, various setups to vape them with and different extraction methods. It all started with a desire to be healthier, prolong our lives and perhaps save some money (along with umpteen other reasons).

I've had relapsed to smoking since I started vaping 3 years ago. This time the vaping seems to be sticking and it's been 4 months since I've smoked. I don't even crave a smoke. I crave picking up my Evod with Patriot or my Igo-L with Pirate's Booty but I don't crave an analog cigarette.

NET's and WTA have been powerful allies to abate the desire for an analog.

I notice many great benefits to having gone from a smoker to a vaper. One of them is that I get sick less often and when I do I recover much faster. I perform better in the gym, better in bed (yes we are all adults here, I can say that), have heightened sense of smell and much improved taste. I smell better and enjoy wearing cologne now where I didn't bother as a smoker because I knew I smelled like a walking ashtray.

The cough has gone away entirely. People I know who have never smoked a cigarette cough more than I do. Even when I've had a vaping binge and have been nic high, I have never woken the following morning with a cough.

I have spent a bit of money on vaping lately and yet, in the last 7 or 8 weeks I would have spent an equivalent amount on cigarettes if I was still a smoker (a packet of 25 cigarettes is about $18-$20 in Australia). When I am not expecting vape mail I save approximately $120 a week from what would have otherwise 'gone up in smoke'.

It's nice to remember why we are all here.

Doesn't worry me. And even if it did, all our tobacco is "fired" with the heat of the atomizer. I guess a case could be made that vaping natural tobacco flavors regularly is on the whole more risky than vaping fruits or desserts. but not to the extent that I would be seriously concerned.

I haven't smoked in 15 months. I just threw away my last Bricanyl inhaler. I have my health concerns, but recurring bouts of bronchitis isn't one of them anymore.

 

[Blix]

The taste of doom is delicious!

 

[beckyblue]

...but have you tried unicorn doom?? Had to say, great post, Anthony!

 

[johni]

Edit: this is in response to Bronze. I think the beer is taking hold.

As an avid smoker of meats, the following may be biased.

I'm not concerned. Grilling food creates carcinogens as well along with all the fumes you inhale from anything from car exhaust to perfume. Fried foods, even baking something can produce similar effects. Getting a flavor from this smoking process is probably way, way down the list of potentially harmful things you run into every day. Sure, there could be something there but it's negligible in the grand scheme of things. My opinion is if it keeps you from smoking that is a GOOD thing. I am also a recent quitter so others may not have that in mind.

I too love smoked meats, have two smokers. We'll have to share some samples of that also!

Also have a couple of 510 attys you can have for testing flavors if you want them.

Seems a bit ironic to me how some people that used to smoke cigarettes are now so hyper health (scare) conscious.

 

[gthompson]

Seems a bit ironic to me how some people that used to smoke cigarettes are now so hyper health (scare) conscious.

I've noticed a lot of that. I'm just the opposite. I figure after nearly 40 years of them cigarettes have already killed me, and I'll do what I want with the borrowed time I'm getting from e-cigs.

 

[CannedWolf]

The only thing that I know for a fact that will most certainly lead to death is life--we're all doomed. Life causes death, it's a fact.

 

[johni]

I've noticed a lot of that. I'm just the opposite. I figure after nearly 40 years of them cigarettes have already killed me, and I'll do what I want with the borrowed time I'm getting from e-cigs.

I'm with you gt, if it hasn't killed me yet, I ain't worrying about it. If you had to strictly adhere to non-carcenogenic, natural, organic, etc.,
you might as well be dead anyway!

 

[Bronze]

Wow folks. I think y'all missed the point of my post. I am not going to stop vaping smoky tobaccos for every reason you all pointed out. I just simply wanted to know if fire-cured tobaccos add any carcinogens and to what extent. That's all.

 

[gthompson]

Wow folks. I think y'all missed the point of my post. I am not going to stop vaping smoky tobaccos for every reason you all pointed out. I just simply wanted to know if fire-cured tobaccos add any carcinogens and to what extent. That's all.

Oh we know that, we're just having fun with it. LET US HAVE OUR FUN!

 

[johni]

Wow folks. I think y'all missed the point of my post. I am not going to stop vaping smoky tobaccos for every reason you all pointed out. I just simply wanted to know if fire-cured tobaccos add any carcinogens and to what extent. That's all.

I think the concensus answer is "who cares?" Not trying to give you a hard time, just don't care.

 

[Bronze]

I think the concensus answer is "who cares?" Not trying to give you a hard time, just don't care.

Whatever johni. Considering this thread has delved deeply into health issues in the past (as has ECF), perhaps I was thinking we could do it again. Guess I am wrong.

Don't mind me. Carry on.

 

[gthompson]

Whatever johni. Considering this thread has delved deeply into health issues in the past (as has ECF), perhaps I was thinking we could do it again. Guess I am wrong.

Don't mind me. Carry on.

Don't be like that, it was an interesting question for sure, and I'd be interested in the answer. I think some of us are just saying, whatever that answer, we aren't giving up our fire cured any more than we're giving up our grilled pork chops.

 

[Bronze]

Don't be like that, it was an interesting question for sure, and I'd be interested in the answer. I think some of us are just saying, whatever that answer, we aren't giving up our fire cured any more than we're giving up our grilled pork chops.

If I asked the effects of methane on stamen, I would expect a "who cares" response. Someone would be within their rights to tell me to take it to the Flower Forum. But I asked a vaping question. If it doesn't interest some people, then fine. Just ignore it. But if all you're going to do is dismiss it as "who cares" then expect return fire...sarcasm in my case.

 

[johni]

Sorry Bronze, I wasn't dismissing your question as inconsequential, just saying the answer won't affect my vaping habits. Probably should be of more interest to the younger people than us anyway. It's all good.

 

[VaporMizer]

There has to be more specific info about fire cured tobacco and health somewhere, but so far the only reference to additional concern I can find is this:

" ... Fire-cured tobacco, which contains other undesired components as well,such as benzopyrene."

http://goodhealth.freeservers.com/nitrosamines.html

 

[rdsok]

Bronze...

I'd add the following arguments against us being able to have an intelligent discussion on the subject of possible carcinogens... Who of us here could talk about it with any authority... I'd suspect none. That would mean we'd all certainly have our own opinions but those wouldn't be based on any scientifically validated information. If the info we'd be basing our statements on are not based on actual proofs, then they'd simply end up being a "witch hunt" of sorts based on unsubstantiated fears.

Another direction based on the cited info that was posted... What they'd suggested as a possible cause didn't ( and couldn't ) exclude other possible causes in the area they found the increase of stomach cancers... though they were able to show that the method of smoking used in that location did have a higher amount than the other methods that were commonly used to smoke meats. In otherwords, they know there is an increase in that one area and that their smoked meats do have higher carcinogen counts... but they can't exclude all other possible causes that could also attribute to the increase of cancer by other means that also may be unique to that area. I'm not debating their info, just that the info doesn't always account for every other possibility that would need to be taken into account.

Let's set aside that argument ( since it's a rather weak one IMO )... and look at another aspect of it. It seemed that what was in question was their method they were using to smoke the meats... the other methods which seem to be commonly used elsewhere commercially and otherwise didn't produce the higher amounts of carcinogens.. it was unique to the area. If that is the case and it's the method in question... why would we assume the methods used for smoking tobacco would be all that different than what is commonly used for meats.

I also think the subject is interesting, I just don't think that the people here are likely to have the education to back up any statements we may choose to make ( including the ones I made above for that matter ). We have been told that curing, cooking and smoking of various foods increase the carcinogen levels... we just can't say if that increase is one that is significant with any type of authority.

I do believe we can use, at best and at least anecdotally, the info on the testing done on e-liquids by vendors such as Ahlusion and other third parties that show their TNSA levels. Any statements beyond those would need additional info to back them up.