Natural Tobaccos

[Jerms]

Stainless eVod came in today. Took it apart and very impressed right away by the look and the simplicity of the design. 3 flavor wicks, kept them in but don't see the point. Hooked up to VAMO, 2.7 ohms with stock build. Suprisingly, doesn't work with VAMO which I thought it would, but air-holes are blocked. No big deal really, could get an adaptor but I intend to use on Twists to replace cartos for on the go vaping.

Picked out a juice I know well but wouldn't feel bad if a couple ml got wasted; Gold from NLV. Loaded it up, put on a Twist, and not happy. Gurgling, juice in mouth, very muted and harsh taste. Probably user error, overprimed or something. Took apart to clean out tube and excess juice, and removed flavor wicks since I don't see the point.

Back on Twist, now we're cooking. No gurgles, flooding, and harshness of vape is gone. Flavor is.. surprisingly really good. Room for improvement with better silica and build, but more than happy. Gold tastes like Gold, with just a slight muting I always get from standard twisted silica. A little airy, but easily fixed. Will probably fill an air-hole, but in the mean time one of them is right at my button and the way I my PV I can naturally put my finger over it, making for a good draw.

Will take it to work tomorrow, loaded with Turkish from VaporAge. As long as I don't end up with a pocket full of juice, it'll replace Boge cartos for Twist use. With some tweaking I may even get results that'll have me fine with taking some prized NETs with me.

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[Jerms]

Getting a little gurgly, replaced one flavor wick and the taste is fine. Put it some Turkish and it's a mad dog. Using a dripper juice and trying in eVod, good not great. Using a carto juice and trying in eVod, awesomely awesome. Bye bye Boge; please don't leak into my pocket tomorrow eVod.

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[AnthonyB]

They only have 3mm.

There is a lot to be said about the various types of silica offered by vendors. I had to rebuild an Igo-L yesterday and just got some silica, thinking silica is silica. I didn't take note of where I got it from, only the mm which happened to be 3mm. I found it performed poorly and wasn't absorbing the juice so well.

I get it from RTDvapor. 10 feet for $10.

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[AnthonyB]

Cannedwolf I can think of some other love children in the vaping world other than German silica mating with each other to make, well, 100% native German silica.

The silver bullet mated with the Ego-Twist and we got a Vamo.

Tanks mated with 510 atomizers and we got Genesis style atomizers.

I've gone too far haven't I?

It's a whacky Sunday over here. I am vaping a Mini-Nova and thinking about putting FreedomsmokeUSA juice in it. Yep, it's a whacky Sunday.

Um... from Germany?

Or, if you prefer -

you find a mommy German silica and a daddy German silica that love each other VERY much...


I kid, I kid

There are a few places that call out where their silica is from but, I don't see it on a lot of sites.

This one, for example, does: Wick and Wire : Silica Wick

Surprisingly (at least to me), Amazon has a decent selection of silica, kanthal, and NR wire.

 

[AnthonyB]

Wow you really jumped out of the gates with two powerhouses of the NET world with Lousville and Patriot. Kudos. I had to try Patriot in a variety of devices before it was 'just' right and I got all of the cigar flavour and nuances that come with it. For me it was a Vapeonly BCC. I recommend trying Patriot in a few different setups and see if you can get the essence of what the juice really is all about.

Also give it a good steep of about 4 weeks. It's almost immediately vapable and starts to take on all the right notes at 2 weeks but I think it gets optimal at 4 weeks. I would say this applies to all Gej Juices.

And now you have encouraged me to stick Lousville in my Igo-L.

Just as a side note - I recently mentioned how vaping Want2Vape juices in a good RBA atty such as the Igo-L are and how the gunk factor is not really an issue in those type of devices. I tried Alcazar in my Igo-L and it was superb. I didn't quite get the strong authentic cigar flavour of alcazar in some of my other attys and tanks and it wasn't until I tried it in my Igo-L that I got the blissful strong cigar tones.

When a juice, particularly a universally appealling juice such as Patriot, seems to be in doubt, try it in other devices and experiment with changes in voltage.

If you like Lousville you may consider trying ahlusions Blue Grass Burley.

Back on topic...I recently discovered NET and they have changed my life. Currently vaping W2V/Vapenstein Louisville Blend and goodejuice Patriot. I really like the Patriot and it definitely gives me the "smoking" feel I crave, but it is almost too...ashy. I ain't tossing it, I will use it all for sure, just on the fence about whether it will be a go-to for me moving forward. The Louisville is exquisite. A must have for any NET enthusiast, period. I have some W2V/Vapenstein London steeping right now and cannot wait, as well as some goodejuice Perique.

There is no going back for me now that I have samples the best NET out there.

 

[AnthonyB]

Tough day at the office.. I hope all works well with the foreclosure. I highly doubt they can connect you to the activities in the house unless you were a part of it. Being an owner of property that is used illegal doesn't make you guilty of an offence.

I really hope the BWB juices make up for their poor initial presentation. There should be at least a few in amongst them that will most likely make you smile.

That's a good list of 'do not vape'. I'll need to update my list as well...

If it's any consolation, it has been a craptacular, horrible, no good day. I won't bore you with details (partially because I don't want to rehash it all in type now) but, it will be lingering for a bit. I may post about it later but, the short version is I found out today from detectives at the county sheriff that the house that I am in mid-foreclosure on is now being used as a squatter place to run drugs and guns... and since I am still the "legal" owner, it is likely that I will be on the hook for anything done to the property (I verified that I will not be held responsible for activities done there since I havent lived there in almost 2 years but, damage and other stuff, yes). There are many many more details (the foreclosure has been underway for almost 2 years now) but, that's the gist.



In juice news, I have to say that I am very disappointed with BWB.

I ordered a bunch of 10ml bottles last week. I got the order tonight and I have to say that it was the worst packaging that I have ever seen. Rather than using a ziplock bag (like every other juice vendor) they used one of those bags that the newspaper comes in on rainy days. The end was not closed and it was just wrapped around the juice bottles. 2 bottles don't have labels.

I did get the packing slip and it was populated but, that's it.

Perhaps I am being overly critical but, if a vendor cares about their product, it is packaged well when shipped. And I don't mean it is in a laced box with felt lined inserts but, the bottles should be well labeled, juice should be in ziplocks or other sealed bags to prevent leaks from spreading to the entire order, and the packing slip should be easy to read.

If I didn't know better from others here or if I had ordered from them as my first order, I would have a hard time trusting this juice because of how poorly it was thrown in an envelope... and that was for a $100 order. Imagine what it would have been if I had only spent $20!

it honestly makes me want to just toss out the juice and never try it mostly because when I try it, I will post about it and that posting can be additional free advertising.

Is that being too judgmental? ggrr. (if it is, let me know - I am not in the right frame of mind at the moment)



I will be posting other tasting notes from vaperite and second impressions of the first of the juices I started tasting throughout the weekend.

 

[AnthonyB]

Johni, like all NETS give them a couple of weeks to steep. I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on them for better or worse.

CW, sorry for your dilemma. You did help me scratch one more vendor off of my short list to try.

I did order six samples from Vaperite, NETs and non NETs. Their Perique caught my eye but overall expectations aren't high.

Also got an Ahlusion order in. 3 aros and Sahara Blend.

 

[AnthonyB]

There are classifieds for juices? Where!?

Send them to the classifieds!

 

[AnthonyB]

Cannedwolf, I actually thought you were female. It's interesting how we can form an impression of someone with the very little stimuli provided on an online forum. It doesn't matter whether someone is male or female, particularly in a forum about e-cigarettes. It is nice though to at least put an archetypal male or female voice to a person on a forum.

Because I both work and study, I usually don't take the time to read profiles on the members and most members don't put photos of themselves on their thumbnail icon. I tend to use what limited time I have to read the thread (which is why I don't post for 24 hours and then back up with 6 or 7 in a row).

The threads can be so specific to a theme, like this thread, that personality, gender, creed, personal make up don't really come into the equation of a discussion - just the topic being discussed, so I don't really take the extra care to see where a member is from, whether they are male or female, or their age and so on. Though, the more time I spend on this, being the one and only thread I look at 99% of the time, the more I am finding the members coming to life as interesting and fascinating as the NET juices being discussed.

I assume most of the members on the thread are male but I am starting to get the feeling one or two are not male or female as I assumed.

I love the security of Ahlusion's orders. There is definitely no question that there is no tampering. The more I order from them, the more I love them. I'm a broken, broken man and now have very high standards from my vendors



No worries. Glad you got the order in and I'm glad I wasn't the only reason... I am happy to be the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.



I have a ton to sell off (protank with heads, one terminator, probably my sidewinder, K100, an entry level VV, some assorted tanks, the dream, etc.) Not a bad idea to add them to that list of goodies.

 

[Mr.Mann]

This may seem random and it may even seem like I am smoking something and not vaping, but, I am down to a couple drops of Boba's Bounty and while I am not one who thinks it's as complex as others (I fervently believe it's two ingredients, though one ingredient not being an easily identifiable flavor), I am starting to think differently about one of its ingredients--its tobacco.

I have said a lot, as many have, about Boba's in the past. What it does and what it doesn't taste like. One of things I used to say about BB--though I had really only vaped BB fresh or slightly steeped--is that it did NOT taste like tobacco. Not only has that changed for me, but I am going to go on record as saying Boba's not only tastes like tobacco (in a mild sense), but the tobacco taste is not synthetic. I know, I know. But how is that possible? Isn't it a synthetic? I don't think so, and I, if forced to, would say it uses a steam distilled tobacco much like Darth Vapers (just an educated guess). The tobacco, while not as prominent in BB as in DV, is for all intents and purposes the same.

An interesting tidbit: both DV and BB have showed the exact same kind of tobacco-ness to my tastebuds--nondescript, dry and somewhat chalky (almost powdery)--after long steeps (7+ months). At first, neither taste like much in the way of tobacco as the other flavor(s) is/are all in front; however, after a long time in time-out, I recognize what it is that I taste and the two carry the same tobacco essence/taste/feel and probably all that is due to extraction (SD).

See, if I started calling Boba's an NET that would mess with heads something terrible, wouldn't it? I won't do that, though I am thinking it is (technically), but when a vendor chooses not to reveal (not that information cannot be, ahem, found out) they clearly would rather exists in TAL (tobacco ambiguity land). I'll let Boba's stay there (in TAL) and I won't be adding them to any category of mine in the NETtys, but just know that one of the two ingredients in Boba's is likely tobacco itself (as a super generic, albeit real, representation of itself--even if in a small amount).

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* (Theory #1) I don't think the tobacco in BB is an in-house NET, but SD tobaccos can be purchased third-party just like any other flavoring. SD extractions, while not the most difficult, would be far too labor intensive and costly to be doing for a small line of tobacco eliquid in great demand--unless they were outsourcing their capabilities (like Darth Vaper, Ahlusion, tobaccoextracts.com, etc.) Even still, and as far as I can tell, to get a generous, consistent extraction output from SD, that would require more of a factory, not even just a lab, capability.

* (Theory #2): I remember when DV said to me that their tobacco extraction process produced what was "like and essential oil," I am thinking that they utilize the kind of extraction process that produces what is called hydrosol, which comes from SD (steam distillation)--they did tell me they use SD. Hydrosols are loosely referred to as "essential waters" or "herbal water" because the essential oil is removed, though it may leave trace amounts of oiliness in the final product; the remaining liquid will be mostly water soluble, hence, hydro (water) -sol (soluble).

 

[scarf-ace]

Very interesting theory Mr M!

As it happens I am vaping BB as well in my trusty Reo, and my longtime opinion-description of it as "oatmeal-raisin cookies" has actually changed, possibly without my realizing it until I read your post. I haven't tried Darth Vapers so I don't have that steam-distilled point of reference, but it does now have a hint, to my buds, of a good-quality clean synthetic tobacco. No chemical harshness or tobacco-absolute fuzziness, but a definite 'bacco that might be responsible for this 100% VG juice's famous throat hit. Over time it has become less sweet as well.

Or, maybe I'm just talking out of my posterior. Both possibilities are equally likely.

 

[Mr.Mann]

How old is your BB?

 

[scarf-ace]

Bought in late March while I was in NYC.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Well, I hope Ben doesn't see me coming!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Bought in late March while I was in NYC.

If you have enough, like 2 mL, to put away for many months later to test, do it. Maybe like late September give 'er a vape.

 

[dale1962]

I just found some year old GJ that must have fell out of my stash into the back of my drawer almost 20ml....let the bidding start

 

[AnthonyB]

It shouldn't leak. I haven't had any leakage at all and mine sometimes fall upside down in my bag. I haven't tried them with 'carto' juices yet. I might stick some FSUSA or Arome-juice in mine. I am finding that the taste is great even with good quality dripping NET juices. I didn't have any of the issues you have reported, flavour wicks in or out.

I haven't had any gurgle whatsoever with NETS or any other juices. Maybe I got lucky with the stock pre-installed head?

Getting a little gurgly, replaced one flavor wick and the taste is fine. Put it some Turkish and it's a mad dog. Using a dripper juice and trying in eVod, good not great. Using a carto juice and trying in eVod, awesomely awesome. Bye bye Boge; please don't leak into my pocket tomorrow eVod.

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[Mr.Mann]

I just found some year old GJ that must have fell out of my stash into the back of my drawer almost 20ml....let the bidding start

How ya' doin', Dale?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Soon I will be giving my impressions of some QNJ tobaccos. I just need time to sit, vape and think.

 

[AnthonyB]

This really has nothing to do with your brilliant thought provoking and in depth analysis of BBs and different methods of extraction but
I think GeJ's Crazy Congo is a dead ringer for Gorilla juice which, and I am sure everybody knows this, is Bobba's and banana. I understand that Crazy Congo is not a NET.

No one seems to come up with a universally accepted flavour profile for Bobba's but IMO it's light tobacco and vanilla with a hint of banana. Gorilla juice is just more of an accentuation of the banana.

This may seem random and it may even seem like I am smoking something and not vaping, but, I am down to a couple drops of Boba's Bounty and while I am not one who thinks it's as complex as others (I fervently believe it's two ingredients, though one ingredient not being an easily identifiable flavor), I am starting to think differently about one of its ingredients--its tobacco.

I have said a lot, as many have, about Boba's in the past. What it does and what it doesn't taste like. One of things I used to say about BB--though I had really only vaped BB fresh or slightly steeped--is that it did NOT taste like tobacco. Not only has that changed for me, but I am going to go on record as saying Boba's not only tastes like tobacco (in a mild sense), but the tobacco taste is not synthetic. I know, I know. But how is that possible? Isn't it a synthetic? I don't think so, and I, if forced to, would say it uses a steam distilled tobacco much like Darth Vapers (just an educated guess). The tobacco, while not as prominent in BB as in DV, is for all intents and purposes the same.

An interesting tidbit: both DV and BB have showed the exact same kind of tobacco-ness to my tastebuds--nondescript, dry and somewhat chalky (almost powdery)--after long steeps (7+ months). At first, neither taste like much in the way of tobacco as the other flavor(s) is/are all in front; however, after a long time in time-out, I recognize what it is that I taste and the two carry the same tobacco essence/taste/feel and probably all that is due to extraction (SD).

See, if I started calling Boba's an NET that would mess with heads something terrible, wouldn't it? I won't do that, though I am thinking it is (technically), but when a vendor chooses not to reveal (not that information cannot be, ahem, found out) they clearly would rather exists in TAL (tobacco ambiguity land). I'll let Boba's stay there (in TAL) and I won't be adding them to any category of mine in the NETtys, but just know that one of the two ingredients in Boba's is likely tobacco itself (as a super generic, albeit real, representation of itself--even if in a small amount).

.........................​

* (Theory #1) I don't think the tobacco in BB is an in-house NET, but SD tobaccos can be purchased third-party just like any other flavoring. SD extractions, while not the most difficult, would be far too labor intensive and costly to be doing for a small line of tobacco eliquid in great demand--unless they were outsourcing their capabilities (like Darth Vaper, Ahlusion, tobaccoextracts.com, etc.) Even still, and as far as I can tell, to get a generous, consistent extraction output from SD, that would require more of a factory, not even just a lab, capability.

* (Theory #2): I remember when DV said to me that their tobacco extraction process produced what was "like and essential oil," I am thinking that they utilize the kind of extraction process that produces what is called hydrosol, which comes from SD (steam distillation)--they did tell me they use SD. Hydrosols are loosely referred to as "essential waters" or "herbal water" because the essential oil is removed, though it may leave trace amounts of oiliness in the final product; the remaining liquid will be mostly water soluble, hence, hydro (water) -sol (soluble).