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Just stopping in to say hi as I was invited by Gthompson. I'm not a vaper or tobacco user but am a tobacco researcher so would be glad to provide any insight into the tobacco plant, the industry, or the science behind the scenes and maybe learn a bit from you all as well. I have just spent the past hour answering questions on the noob board so have to take a break but I promise to pop in later.

Welcome! Thanks for joining us and our conversation. I really look forward to learning some more stuff.

I have a couple questions.

Can tobacco be grown hydroponically? Specifically several 5 gallon buckets plumbed together/deep water culture with a recirculating top feed system on a timer? Would High Pressure Sodium or Medal Halide provide a better spectrum for tobacco?

Do you think a butane extraction would strip volotile/harmful chemicals form the leaf or terpenes/flavors compounds only?
 

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You do know it's on back order, right?

"Ships in 5 business days" FT sold through their initial shipment. Just an FYI.

Ah, didn't see that. But as long as I get it sometime this month I'll be ok. It was just a great deal on something I've been eyeballing since I got my MVP. Not in a huge hurry. That'll give me time to research a good charger and pick up some batteries. Haven't even had to do that yet.
 

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I can also say that Bee Liquid is good. I got #7, #16, #25 and #233.

223 and 25 are the boldest that I have. They both have hints of vanilla, 25 more so. Both also have a good amount of honey. And good, fresh from the hive tasting honey. 16 is a nutty tobacco. It's fairly sweet and mellow. 7 is a single leaf. For a single leaf it's fairly full bodied but light at the same time. It too, has the same fresh from the comb honey.

I'm looking forward to trying the other flavors.
 

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Ah, didn't see that. But as long as I get it sometime this month I'll be ok. It was just a great deal on something I've been eyeballing since I got my MVP. Not in a huge hurry. That'll give me time to research a good charger and pick up some batteries. Haven't even had to do that yet.

You could always order a Nitcore charger and a couple of Panasonics, which would probably be delivered before your SVD.

Believe you me, I was tempted, too. By the time I had talked myself into it, they were back-ordered. I really don't want to wait that long, and probably shouldn't spend the money either, so.... :(
 
Welcome! Thanks for joining us and our conversation. I really look forward to learning some more stuff.

I have a couple questions.

Can tobacco be grown hydroponically? Specifically several 5 gallon buckets plumbed together/deep water culture with a recirculating top feed system on a timer? Would High Pressure Sodium or Medal Halide provide a better spectrum for tobacco?

Do you think a butane extraction would strip volotile/harmful chemicals form the leaf or terpenes/flavors compounds only?

Oooh finally, something I am familiar with. In regards to hydroponic growth, yes. You might be aware that commercial tobacco is seeded in styrofoam float beds which provide the optimal environment for young seedlings to grow (hydroponic babies). They are kept in these trays for roughly the first month of growth until the plants are about 6-10" in height where they are then transferred to the field. The problem with hydroponics is that the root system of tobacco needs to 'breathe', for lack of a better term. It doesn't mean that it can't work, however it is not optimal for the plant, at least in terms of traditional farming. But for people dealing with smaller numbers of plants and that have more time to devote to observing and tweaking the system a hydroponic system would definitely be possible. Tobacco grown the standard way is able to absorb its nutrients from the soil and is supplemented with fertilizer from the farmer. If your hydroponic system was able to provide all of the appropriate nutrients and proper fertilizer rates to the plant then I don't see why it wouldn't work.

In regards to the lights, we use both in our greenhouse but the medal halide lights are a higher intensity and used when we need faster growth. Think of it like this, the high pressure sodium is like an 85 degree day and requires less observation and tweaking, the medal halide lights however are like a 95 degree day and require careful observation as to not burn the plant. You could use either and get good results but if you want the quickest growth then I would use the medal halides, just watch for the tops of the plants and when you see wilting/burning, winch up the lights a few inches. We also use the medal halides exclusively for making crosses, if you do that sort of thing.

In response to extraction, I have no idea. I could ask a few of my co-workers who deal with this sort of thing but wouldn't have an answer until probably Wednesday.
 

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So this isn't the first time I've noticed this, but occasionally when vaping some HHV juices like Legend or Dark Horse I am getting a bit of a vinegar or mustardy finish to them. Anyone else get this? These juices have both steeped for about six weeks.

Edit: It's not Dark Horse, but Dragons Fire that I'm getting this taste from.
 
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Just stopping in to say hi as I was invited by Gthompson. I'm not a vaper or tobacco user but am a tobacco researcher so would be glad to provide any insight into the tobacco plant, the industry, or the science behind the scenes and maybe learn a bit from you all as well. I have just spent the past hour answering questions on the noob board so have to take a break but I promise to pop in later.

Wow! Bingo!!

Regular NT readers and posters: Forgive me if these questions aren't all 'on topic':

Tell us what we should know about NETs and the possibility of getting NETs with Whole Tobacco Alkaloids?
How difficult is it to extract WTAs?(really, really hard or easier than some vendors want us to believe? worth the cost?)
How important is the 'purity' of the nicotine in the base? There is a new vendor from my neck of the woods (Nude Nicotine/San Diego area) marketing his DIY nic juice as being chemically more pure than others. Is this really an issue? If so, why?

Thanks!!!
 

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You could always order a Nitcore charger and a couple of Panasonics, which would probably be delivered before your SVD.

This ^^

The Nitecore Intellicharger i4 is awesome. Charges up to 4 batteries and works with a huge amount of different types of batts. Will charge from 18350 to 18650s and anything in between, without having to use spacers, and cutts of charging at 4.2. I like it a lot more than my more expensive Xtar that died on me. I think it's around only $18 from FastTech.

The Panasonic safe chemistry batteries I just got hold their charge a lot longer than my AW batts, but they're only in size 18650 I think. AW is a great brand for 18350 IMRs.

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Oh. Wow! Holy crap! That's a pretty slick piece of kit. The only thing I wish they did differently was up the wattage limit to 15. Oh, even 12W would be fine. A lot of people would like that. I really want one of these. Is Super T the only seller of the Crown? For some reason I can't access their sight. It always times out or goes to an error page in FF and Chrome. So I don't know how I'd get one. :(

There are others but, I can't remember them off hand. I think i have a list at home... will let you know later today

Well, looks like I remembered wrong. they are only sold here:

Super T
Vixen Vapors (Texas)
Liquid NRW (Germany)
SuperCigs.it (Italy)
Vape Joint (Phillipines)

here is the manufacturer's site: artisanvaping.com | Home of the Ego Booster
 

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Wow! Bingo!!

Regular NT readers and posters: Forgive me if these questions aren't all 'on topic':

Tell us what we should know about NETs and the possibility of getting NETs with Whole Tobacco Alkaloids?
How difficult is it to extract WTAs?(really, really hard or easier than some vendors want us to believe? worth the cost?)
How important is the 'purity' of the nicotine in the base? There is a new vendor from my neck of the woods (Nude Nicotine/San Diego area) marketing his DIY nic juice as being chemically more pure than others. Is this really an issue? If so, why?

Thanks!!!

Nice questions C.

Newton, does your knowledge also pertain to the tobacco extracts we vape? If so, do you know how much nicotine, if any, is present in the extracts for the different methods of extraction used? I've heard from zero to a few mg per ml for maceration.

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This ^^

The Nitecore Intellicharger i4 is awesome. Charges up to 4 batteries and works with a huge amount of different types of batts. Will charge from 18350 to 18650s and anything in between, without having to use spacers, and cutts of charging at 4.2. I like it a lot more than my more expensive Xtar that died on me. I think it's around only $18 from FastTech.

The Panasonic safe chemistry batteries I just got hold their charge a lot longer than my AW batts, but they're only in size 18650 I think. AW is a great brand for 18350 IMRs.

Sent from my LGL55C using Tapatalk 2

Had this on the short list. Found it at FastTech for $19 after discount. Thanks! Ordered two 18350s and two 18650 IMRs didn't do the panasonic though, as I added it to an order I already was placing that didn't have panasonic.
 

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Another question for Newt.

One of the top NET vendors has had issues with the batches of tobacco extract being inconsistant, so that the same juice made from the same tobacco can change flavor from batch to batch. The explaination has been that it's because the tobaccos they use vary in quality depending on when they are in season and such climate factors as rain and the soil they grow in. Is this a legitimate factor in commercially bought tobacco? Is tobacco a crop that's difficult keep the end product consistant?

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There is only one person in the known universe who can satisfactorily answer this question and he really needs to clone himself so there are more instances of him when needed. Dvap, where are you?

Wow! Bingo!!

Regular NT readers and posters: Forgive me if these questions aren't all 'on topic':

Tell us what we should know about NETs and the possibility of getting NETs with Whole Tobacco Alkaloids?
How difficult is it to extract WTAs?(really, really hard or easier than some vendors want us to believe? worth the cost?)
How important is the 'purity' of the nicotine in the base? There is a new vendor from my neck of the woods (Nude Nicotine/San Diego area) marketing his DIY nic juice as being chemically more pure than others. Is this really an issue? If so, why?

Thanks!!!
 
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