Natural Tobaccos

[gthompson]

Yet another cross post from the QnJ thread:

No Name Cherry tobacco 6mg 50/50 PG/VG (steeped three weeks)

This is one of the better cherry tobaccos I've tried (and I've tried a bunch). It's not that mediciny cherry or candy cherry like most of them, but tastes all the world like a black cherry to me (someone else said that and they were spot on). The tobacco is further in the background than in the other three. There's just enough tobacco that you can taste it, and the cherry is well up front. It has a very nice fruity type sweet note, not candy sweet or sugar sweet, but the kind of lightly sweet you get from eating the fruit. I think this is my favorite of the four.




Final thoughts: I'm very impressed with all four of these offerings. I know a lot of my NET peers like the "bite" of the larger font tobaccos, but I prefer mine milder and these are right in my wheelhouse. Add these to the other QnJ NETs and I think QnJ is ready to play with the NET big boys.

 

[Hotwire]

Dekang is, however, most certainly not a NET

What's a 'NET" CW? 'Naturally Extracted Tobacco?'

How are they different from WTA's if you have the time to give me a quick schooling?

Reason is (sorry to hijack OP) I'm looking something that will satisfy me when I'm 'in my cups' and normal e-juice just does not do it for me and I have a few of the 'old fellas.' I'm 99% sure it's the MAOI's, the missing 5% of the alkaloids. Any links to non expensive NET or WTA juice vendors you could throw my way would be appreciated of you have the time to save me wading through this massive thread.

Vapormizer, wow you live in a totally different vape world to me, damn I've been gone too long and am way behind with my juice knowledge (started and gave up in 2010 just re-started on the vape.) I wish I could plug in and download that part of your brain via usb like in the film Matrix lol.

Feel like I'm missing out guys - throw me a few pointers to get me experiencing these enticing elixors you're talking about - Qnj, flue cured, TFA M type, WTA, NET etc...

 

[CannedWolf]

What's a 'NET" CW? 'Naturally Extracted Tobacco?'

How are they different from WTA's if you have the time to give me a quick schooling?

Reason is (sorry to hijack OP) I'm looking something that will satisfy me when I'm 'in my cups' and normal e-juice just does not do it for me and I have a few of the 'old fellas.' I'm 99% sure it's the MAOI's, the missing 5% of the alkaloids. Any links to non expensive NET or WTA juice vendors you could throw my way would be appreciated of you have the time to save me wading through this massive thread.

Vapormizer, wow you live in a totally different vape world to me, damn I've been gone too long and am way behind with my juice knowledge (started and gave up in 2010 just re-started on the vape.) I wish I could plug in and download that part of your brain via usb like in the film Matrix lol.

Feel like I'm missing out guys - throw me a few pointers to get me experiencing these enticing elixors you're talking about - Qnj, flue cured, TFA M type, WTA, NET etc...

I have to leave for the airport in a few minutes so, this will be really brief (and I'm sure others can help out as well).

NET is natural/naturally extracted tobacco. This comes from taking tobacco leaves and extracting flavor from them. There are a number of different ways to do so but, for very general purposes, think of it as macerating tobacco leaves and soaking them in VG to pull the characteristics of that tobacco out. The thing that can be tricky here for some vendors is tobacco crops change subtly so, the flavor that is extracted can change. Some vendors compensate for this by doing extensive testing on the flavor make up to ensure it is exactly while others are much less rigorous.

I can't speak with any real authority on WTA so, i will leave that for someone else.

Strangely enough, there are those firmly in the WTA camp that make fun of those of us that really like NETs (as witnessed in forum posts here) so, I won't be getting into what is "better" because that is for you to decide for yourself. I choose the liquids I choose based on flavor... and, to me, the flavor of NETs can't be beat. (yes, i vape all kinds of liquids but NETs are my favorites)

 

[gthompson]

WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids) extraction is a much more complex and expensive process than a simple flavor extraction (which is what a NET is). A juice could be both WTA and a NET, but just because it's one doesn't mean it's the other.

Flue cured is a type of tobacco leaf curing. There is air cured, flue cured, and fire cured (and maybe others, I'm no expert on this although I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night).

QnJ is a juice vendor - Quick nic Juice.

m type is an artificial tobacco flavoring, a lab tobacco. It has a very distinctive flavor.

TFA is The Flavor Apprentice, who is a vendor that sells, among other things, m type flavoring.


Ask away, someone here will know the answer to most of your questions.

 

[Bronze]

Sounds like it was a miss-label for sure. The vanilla is more up front than the other flavos.

I gathered that from the reviews I've read from you guys. There wasn't a molecule of vanilla detected in my sample.

 

[jefsview]

What's a 'NET" CW? 'Naturally Extracted Tobacco?'

How are they different from WTA's if you have the time to give me a quick schooling?

Reason is (sorry to hijack OP) I'm looking something that will satisfy me when I'm 'in my cups' and normal e-juice just does not do it for me and I have a few of the 'old fellas.' I'm 99% sure it's the MAOI's, the missing 5% of the alkaloids. Any links to non expensive NET or WTA juice vendors you could throw my way would be appreciated of you have the time to save me wading through this massive thread.

Vapormizer, wow you live in a totally different vape world to me, damn I've been gone too long and am way behind with my juice knowledge (started and gave up in 2010 just re-started on the vape.) I wish I could plug in and download that part of your brain via usb like in the film Matrix lol.

Feel like I'm missing out guys - throw me a few pointers to get me experiencing these enticing elixors you're talking about - Qnj, flue cured, TFA M type, WTA, NET etc...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html

This one is just the Stickied WTA thread. A good starting place. There was another recent one a few pages away in this sub-forum.

Found it: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/228147-wta-future.html

 

[rdsok]

I believe that WTA is more about the alkaloids and the feel they help produce and not really about flavor... Nicotine makes up 95% of the alkaliods present... WTA includes the nic and also the other 5% of other types of alkaloids.

NET's, as mentioned, are more about extracting the flavor directly from the different types of tobacco leaves. There are many methods, maceration ( such as soaking in PG or VG ), steam extraction, alcohol based extraction to name a few.

TA or tobacco absolute is another type of flavor that is produced from tobacco but is usually differentiated here since it has a different quality/taste to it that is unique to it. TA was ( as I've read ) developed for the perfume industry. A variation on this is TE or tobacco extract which is similar in quality/taste but the process differs from TA in some manner that I can't describe. The differences between NET, TA and TE are arbitrary since they technically are all different forms of extractions but we do talk of them separately just to be clear about what we are discussing more.

I believe that the M-Type and others just recently mentioned like Desert Ship... are TA based and therefore not NET's as discussed here.

 

[billherbst]

I believe that the M-Type and others just recently mentioned like Desert Ship... are TA based and therefore not NET's as discussed here.

I've always assumed that all the tobaccos in GoodEJuice's USA Made Lab Eliquid Series (including M-Type Light) were made using only synthetic tobacco flavorings, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Nick at GeJ would know, of course.

As for Desert Ship, the product page description from Dekang on the GeJ web site states: "Naturally extracted from best-quality tobacco leaves. Not chemically mixed." I presume that means TA, since I'm unaware that Dekang uses any of the typical methods (maceration, steam-distilled, etc.) for making actual NETs.

I have a couple bottles of Dekang juice that were re-labeled as "Camel" way back when I purchased them, but they're all more than two years old, so Dekang may have changed their ingredients since then. At any rate, the Camel I have from Dekang doesn't taste anything like an NET (or TA either, for that matter)---my now-antique Dekang Camel tastes like arti-bacco all the way. That makes me wonder what Desert Ship tastes like now...

 

[Exile]

Ordered some Patriot from GEJ due to the good reviews and I actually think I am smoking a cigarette!!!

My first bottle of GEJ Patriot should be here tomorrow, and this is not what I want to hear! lol

Most of the people in this thread aren't looking for a "cigarette" taste anyway.

 

[rdsok]

Bill...

The reason I said "I believe" about those two was because I wasn't certain but had assumed it being they were lab made juices. I don't know of any Chinese made NET's... and also assume they are using either TA or TE when they mention extracted tobacco... perhaps my assumptions are incorrect but they are based on past experience.

To me it doesn't matter in the end if a juice is made with one method or another... as long as it tastes good. I've had GeJ's Commercial Methol Tobacco ( a Premium line ) and it is ok but not as good as their NET's

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I have a couple bottles of Dekang juice that were re-labeled as "Camel" way back when I purchased them, but they're all more than two years old, so Dekang may have changed their ingredients since then. At any rate, the Camel I have from Dekang doesn't taste anything like an NET (or TA either, for that matter)---my now-antique Dekang Camel tastes like arti-bacco all the way. That makes me wonder what Desert Ship tastes like now...

IMHO, Desert Ship in the 24mg nic formula is about as close to the NJOY red bold as any liquid I've tried. Maybe NJOY's super secret tobacconist is stealing Dekang's thunder. Or, vice versa.

 

[jefsview]

Originally Posted by jstaubin
Ordered some Patriot from GEJ due to the good reviews and I actually think I am smoking a cigarette!!!

My first bottle of GEJ Patriot should be here tomorrow, and this is not what I want to hear! lol

Well, to me it's more of an authentic cigar. To many others, it's authentic pipe tobacco. What we all agree on, is it's fantastic!

 

[johni]

My first bottle of GEJ Patriot should be here tomorrow, and this is not what I want to hear! lol

Don't worry. Patriot has much more of a pipe taste. It is very realistic tobacco flavor which leads some to the cigarette comparison.

 

[AnthonyB]

I think I may know where the discrepancy lies. I never liked Malboro cigarettes. Marlboro are not as popular in Australia though they do have a presence in the cigarette market and every tobacconist stocks them. The popular cigarettes in Australia are B & H, dunhill, Peter Jackson and Winfield. Those 4 are kind of similar. Marlboro is a bit different. It's a bolder and stronger cigarette in terms of flavour. I brought home a carton of Lucky Strikes once from an overseas trip and they also reminded me of Marlboro. If I ever tried a new brand of cigarette and it tasted like Marlboro I was turned off it. I think this could perhaps lend an explanation. Interesting isn't it? I am right now vaping Wild Turkey and it really does remind me of the cigarettes I used to smoke. Perhaps tonight I will vape some Wrangler Light and compare.

I do like juices that taste like Malboro such as The Plume Rooms Marlboro and HHV's Dark Horse but I never liked Marlboro as a smoker. I used to prefer the smoother, middle spec tobacco flavours like B&H and Dunhill. B & H and Dunhill are very popular in Australia. Marlboro is stronger in flavour, or in a particular flavour. There was a taste in Marlboro cigarettes that never sat well with me.

I have no doubt that you are correct in your analysis and deduction of what tobaccos comprise a typical cigarette, and maybe I'm reading your answer from a different perspective but I wasn't inquiring about the intricacies of cigarette tobaccos. I just found it curious that you (an Aussie) found that Wrangler Light was closest to tasting like a real cigarette as opposed to my three friends here in the States found that M-Type Lite was closest to a real cigarette and not Wrangler Light...in fact, all three of them turned their noses up at Wrangler Light. They all wanted a Marlboro Light taste and M-Type Lite did it for them whereas they found Wrangler Light not to their liking.

As is always stated: taste is subjective. I just found it curious and noteworthy that two different tobacco juices from GeJ - one a USA Labs pre-mix and the other a house made extract made fresh to order - provided similar statements from individuals half a world apart. That sparked the thought that maybe cigarettes in Australia (or at least your former brand of choice) were somehow different from the ones my friends here were used to smoking, that being Marlboro Lights.

 

[billherbst]

To me it doesn't matter in the end if a juice is made with one method or another... as long as it tastes good. I've had GeJ's Commercial Methol Tobacco ( a Premium line ) and it is ok but not as good as their NET's

rd,

I'm with you 100% on that. While ingredient designations are interesting and often revealing, good taste is what matters. Safety and health matter, too, of course, but those are different discussions.

 

[AnthonyB]

Some of us are, some of the time.

Most of the people in this thread aren't looking for a "cigarette" taste anyway.

 

[gthompson]

What does a cigarette taste like?

 

[Blix]

What does a cigarette taste like?

Like crap. I smoked a few of them last week, during my first week of holiday, just to blend in in the smokey pubs in Prague. The deliver the nicotine probably a good bit more efficiently than e-cigs, but at no time I went "wow this cigarette tastes great!" No way. I just smoked automatically with no regards to taste whatsoever. Felt okay, but I'm not going down that road again. Actually great to figure out they doesn't have the power over me anymore...

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

I think I may know where the discrepancy lies. I never liked Malboro cigarettes. Marlboro are not as popular in Australia though they do have a presence in the cigarette market and every tobacconist stocks them. The popular cigarettes in Australia are B & H, dunhill, Peter Jackson and Winfield. Those 4 are kind of similar. Marlboro is a bit different. It's a bolder and stronger cigarette in terms of flavour. I brought home a carton of Lucky Strikes once from an overseas trip and they also reminded me of Marlboro. If I ever tried a new brand of cigarette and it tasted like Marlboro I was turned off it. I think this could perhaps lend an explanation. Interesting isn't it? I am right now vaping Wild Turkey and it really does remind me of the cigarettes I used to smoke. Perhaps tonight I will vape some Wrangler Light and compare.

I do like juices that taste like Malboro such as The Plume Rooms Marlboro and HHV's Dark Horse but I never liked Marlboro as a smoker. I used to prefer the smoother, middle spec tobacco flavours like B&H and Dunhill. B & H and Dunhill are very popular in Australia. Marlboro is stronger in flavour, or in a particular flavour. There was a taste in Marlboro cigarettes that never sat well with me.

I think you're probably dead on, mate. Way back when, when I first started smoking, it was B&H's. As time wore on, I eventually switched over to Marlboro Lights and I do recall there was more of a kick from the Marlboros than the B&H's. I wasn't aware that B&H's and Dunhills were the smoke of choice over there, so that really helps to clarify things. And to be honest, I haven't tried either one of those juices - I was just speculating based off your experience with Wrangler Light and my friends' experiences with M-Type Light. I think I may have to get some sample sizes from Nick now, just to make my own comparison.

 

[jefsview]

Well, for me, the aroma of the exhaled vapor is more cigarette like to me than the flavor of the actual juices in regards to Wrangler Light, Dark Horse, Wild Turkey, Torque 56, High Octane -- any of the grassier, slightly sweet tobacco juices, be it chemist made or NETs. The exhalations combined with the grassiness of the juices places the idea of dried tobacco and paper in my mind. But it's the combination of the two, just not flavor alone.

'cause none of them taste like a cigarette.

I was actually shocked by how much the exhaled vapor smelled like I had been smoking, after a month or so of quitting analog.