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Eskie

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You seem to know alot about it... Its use is different in each country. In the UK they also prescribe pharmaceutical H.
I know. And apparently it does quite well. Not sure it’s still in use, but they used to be something called Brompton’s cocktail which was administered orally for pain for terminal illness. It allowed any number of people in that desperate situation to have an improved quality of life to spend with their families.
I believe it fell out of favor with better oral opiate choices as well as things like fentanyl patches. Sadly those extremely potent opiate options were handed out too freely to those who didn’t need anything like that and now there’s the huge backlash against opiate use and now higher rates of illicit opiate abuse and higher rates of overdoses than ever seen before.
Hopefully we’ll get back to a more moderate policy to assure those who do need opiates have access without issues of over prescribing or equally important not simply cutting people off abruptly out of fear of prescribing opiates by their doctors.
 

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Yes i agree, H was commonly used in Australia for palliative care many years ago now. My relative was a nurse back then and was so upset about them banning it because it allowed patients to be alert up until their death for communication etc. Now its just massive amounts of morphine to hasten death but the patient cannot communicate at all for usually days, before they die.
 
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Omg. I've been fooled this whole time, damn you ProVape, damn you von erl, damn you Et Cetera! Damn you and your death devices, luring in unsuspecting fools with your false promises and hopes and dreams of "quitting" cigarettes, it was all a ruse! I better switch back to cigarettes and give the controls back to my Master, Big tobacco.
 

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Someone close to me has been on methadone for...

Jeez. I guess about 40 years now.

She's better than she was before it, but that's setting a pretty low bar. :|

Hey, never said it was optimal, but it beats the alternative.

Let's be honest, you can say the same about vaping. It's harm reduction, not harm elimination. Although with a higher level of functioning.
 

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Hey, never said it was optimal, but it beats the alternative.

Let's be honest, you can say the same about vaping. It's harm reduction, not harm elimination. Although with a higher level of functioning.

Absolutely. I was certain this (important to me) person would be long, LONG gone from this planet by now.

Vaping is a ridiculously huge improvement to smoking but WE all know that it's never been about that (not at all).

Heartbreaking and maddening.
 

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Vaping is the simple and much safer alternative to smoking. It's kind of like diet drinks and foods. You still get to enjoy, but you don't suffer an early death caused by cigarettes (or overeating in the above example).

I didn't switch to vaping as a route to quitting nicotine. I switched to vapor as a 95% safer alternative to tobacco smoke (although in 2010 I didn't know for sure it was 95% healthier). I just know that in the first months I vaped I lost my desire for smoke and developed a love for vapor.

Vaping isn't a cure. It's a safer and healthier substitute for satisfying the nicotine urge without the dangers of lung cancer and lung disease. After 10 years vaping my chest X-rays are still clear and normal. My doctor is happy.
 
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Why are NBC continually such twits?

I don't really care whether I'm a quitter, a switcher, or a freaking.... VAPE DEMON. I don't have an oxygen tank and that's what counts.

As far as methadone or suboxone, ask me anything. I worked at Hopkin's drug dependency unit when Suboxone was just getting going, and the doc in charge (who was scary smart) would SCOOP (censored) addicts off the street, near death, treat them inpatient, step them down to intensive outpatient and etc. And by the way, not all methadone/subox patients were addicts I would say conservatively 30-40 percent were kicked that way after being thrown out of pain management clinics because their opiate dose could go no higher. I'm talking killer spinal surgeries etc. They get kicked to long term treatment because they max out on opiates (that was more at the tribe where I also worked in the harm reduction clinic for a while.)

It can be extremely complicated care for some: back in Baltimore during the HIV epidemic, well more than half of our patients were positive, and maintaining balance was tough, because meds weren't as refined. Co-occurring disorders: PTSD, (big time) conduct disorder, mood disorders, anxiety disorders you name it. Shooting up becomes unpleasant. Social disorders: crime generally, theft, incarceration, hooking, all that lovely stuff.. Being a drug mule.

It was a lively job for me and I liked it a lot.. I was a 26 year old group therapist and the only one that was white. I got HAZED big time. I think they finally accepted I was as nuts as them when (you got kicked out of the program if you fought with another client, but if you hit a staff member that was an automatic jail sentence. I mean we were off campus, security guards, the whole bit. Anyway two of my favorite jailbirds were planning to fight, there were rumblings all morning about it. Of course they picked my group those (censored.)

Anyway I had mused on it a bit, and I knew they would leave, which I did not want. They didn't really want it either. But they both happened to be ex felons and did NOT want like, go back to jail of that I was CERTAIN.

So they went for it but the taser guys were slow so I leaped between them and waved my hands in the air and said "I AM STAFF! You are going to have to go through ME!!! You will go back to JAIL I MEAN IT I AM PRESSING CHARGES THE MINUTE I AM CONSCIOUS GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!"

Never have I seen two angry dudes back away from the crazy girl with the pigtails so fast and meekly, LOL. Never had a lick of trouble after that in fact both guys thanked me (privately obviously.) But yea, like, they were like "Okay, she is clearly as nuts as us," so it ended up fine.

It's not always that way. Plenty of opiate mommies in the suboxone (private) program I was in. Including me. My doc prescribed me an off label "synthetic" opiate for my treatment resistant depression (the literature swore up down and sideways it would not "addict me." Heh. Right.) So, I was on suboxone for about 9 years. l was stable and functional. I mainly did it as my final relapse I had NO CLUE how much Ultram I was taking so I couldn't detox m'self. I wish I had gone in to hospital detox because Suboxone works for functioning and all but I lost about 40 lbs I did not need to lose, and developed a horrifying constipation problem. The long acting opiates--- there is no up and down where you can "go." I am finally doing better with a ton of probiotics but THE TUMMY. LOL.

If I could go back and do it different I would. Because SUBOXONE is FINE but the half lives (once stacked up) are 96 DAYS. That is how long Suboxone takes to EXIT YOUR SYSTEM. . Granted, you aren't laying in bed groaning and puking for like, the ENTIRE time (for me pretty much the first month) but it wasn't exactly what I'd call a fantastic time.

Which is why I did something ELSE illegal and imported some IBOGANE. Frankly I was not going to go on the three day trip where someone watches you the whole time. It did not sound really SAFE especially with my bipolar. .But you can micro dose it for about 4 months and get the same effect-- it cleans out your opiate receptors something fierce. I did not have a single craving through 10 AWAKE oral surgeries where various titanium implants were BURIED into my bone.

It is always why I wear a no opiate bracelet. If I'm out, the husband gets to decide. But I am prepared to accept a fairly LARGE amount of pain compared to maintenance therapy. No THANKS.

IDK it worked for me for a time I needed it. Frankly I did not feel "clean" from opiates, but I did feel stable and functional. I could work. I could function. IDK if it caused brain damage, dude, it's kind of hard to tell with all the bipolar meds. I know I was a pretty smart kid and etc. But who knows. There are things I can do, and things I can't.

I don't really consider tobacco like "clean time" or whatever, as a substance . It has been so ubiquitous and addictive it's kind of like coffee for me.. You drinking decaf? Cool, I don't care.. Drinking High Test? Fine with me.

Just don't die . That's my motto. WHO CARES what you call you or who anyone else calls you. Just DON'T SMOKE..

Also, NBC I never watch you anymore. Sounds like a good thing.
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I haven’t quit nicotine, I have quit smoking. I enjoy nicotine, I don’t want to quit using nicotine. I have found a way to use nicotine that much safer than smoking. I’m happy about that so “Doctor” piss off. Go bother some coffee drinkers about their addiction to caffeine. Starbucks is out there advertising use of their products and worse they are marketing and legally selling to teenagers. Where is the outrage about that.
 
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