That is so absurd for the electronic cigarettes industry. I will be mailing them right now. We have too many customers in the NY region! Great customers.
Nearing disaster in New York - please take action NOW to prevent e-cigarette ban.
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"ASH also pointed out that the FDA, in its own words, “is concerned that electronic cigarettes, cigars, or pipes may introduce young people to nicotine use which may lead to an increase in the use of conventional tobacco products with well-known, adverse, health consequences. Additionally, it is unclear what health effects these products could have on users or if misuse or product failure could lead to nicotine poisoning or other serious adverse health consequences.”
Okay, what a CROCK OF ..... They're trying to say that if PVs are allowed, more people might try smoking real tobacco... Okay, except that even MORE people will absolutely use tobacco if PVs are banned because they'd been using PVs in place of tobacco... Which means that what they're supposedly trying to prevent by banning PVs is EXACTLY what they will CAUSE by banning them. Are we being ruled by a bunch of ......s? Or are most people just too stupid to see how full of .... the powers that be are? This is friggin' ridiculous...
Everything I read that's written by someone other than forum members/e-cig users just pisses me off to no end.
"ASH also raised concerns not yet addressed by the FDA: the extent to which the vapor exhaled by e-cig users — including propylene glycol (a respiratory irritant used in antifreeze and known to cause respiratory tract infections), nicotine (a deadly and addictive drug which can help trigger heart attacks), and other substances the FDA labels as “carcinogens” and “toxins” — could threaten the health of nearby nonsmokers."
Respiratory irritant... That's why they use it in NEBULIZERS, which are meant to be INHALED by people who have ASTHMA... Oh no, nicotine. Real cigarettes don't have nicotine, and they're so much better for us, aren't they? "Other substances the FDA labels as carcinogens and other toxins." So... These artificial food flavorings are cancer causing toxins?? THEN WHY ARE THEY IN OUR FOOD?? I love how something is perfectly okay for us to eat, but not inhale. Okay, this is the way I see it, but I know it will never happen. If they're going to ban this, then they have to ban the same chemicals from being used in any other application. If they cause cancer with this, they cause cancer in other applications too. This is so utterly absurd...
The FDA needs to be gotten rid of. They do absolutely nothing useful or helpful anymore if they ever did in the first place. All they ever do anymore is protect the special interests of the people that line their pockets with money. They constantly allow all kinds of ....ty drugs that make people go nuts and/or die, and then they turn around and pretend that they're concerned with our health so they can ban e-cigs? BULL..... They don't care about our health one bit.
Go look up Coumadin, AKA: Warfarin Sodium. It's commonly taken by people with high blood pressure. Its original use was rat poison. And it's dispensed by pharmacies every day to many, many people. It's FDA approved...
"ASH cited a typical reaction from a sensitive bystander: “My first exposure to e-cigarettes was last year in a hospital. Smokers were made to go outside but 3 e-smokers plus 2 staff were using the e-cigarettes inside . . . I have lupus and the vapor irritated my nose, eyes, throat, and chest, plus the nicotine was making me feel nauseous so there must have been significant quantities in the side-vapor.”
Yeah right... Okay, even if that's true, does that mean that NOBODY should be allowed to use it? A few people are sensitive to it, so nobody can use it? Some people are allergic to coconut, shellfish, peanuts, etc. Should we outlaw these foods too because of a few people that can't eat them? By the way, I LOVE how anecdotal evidence is perfectly okay for them to use AGAINST e-cigs, but they'll be damned if they're gonna let the opposition use anecdotal evidence to support how well these work for getting people off of real cigarettes. ....... hypocrites...
Okay, what a CROCK OF ..... They're trying to say that if PVs are allowed, more people might try smoking real tobacco... Okay, except that even MORE people will absolutely use tobacco if PVs are banned because they'd been using PVs in place of tobacco... Which means that what they're supposedly trying to prevent by banning PVs is EXACTLY what they will CAUSE by banning them. Are we being ruled by a bunch of ......s? Or are most people just too stupid to see how full of .... the powers that be are? This is friggin' ridiculous...
Everything I read that's written by someone other than forum members/e-cig users just pisses me off to no end.
"ASH also raised concerns not yet addressed by the FDA: the extent to which the vapor exhaled by e-cig users — including propylene glycol (a respiratory irritant used in antifreeze and known to cause respiratory tract infections), nicotine (a deadly and addictive drug which can help trigger heart attacks), and other substances the FDA labels as “carcinogens” and “toxins” — could threaten the health of nearby nonsmokers."
Respiratory irritant... That's why they use it in NEBULIZERS, which are meant to be INHALED by people who have ASTHMA... Oh no, nicotine. Real cigarettes don't have nicotine, and they're so much better for us, aren't they? "Other substances the FDA labels as carcinogens and other toxins." So... These artificial food flavorings are cancer causing toxins?? THEN WHY ARE THEY IN OUR FOOD?? I love how something is perfectly okay for us to eat, but not inhale. Okay, this is the way I see it, but I know it will never happen. If they're going to ban this, then they have to ban the same chemicals from being used in any other application. If they cause cancer with this, they cause cancer in other applications too. This is so utterly absurd...
The FDA needs to be gotten rid of. They do absolutely nothing useful or helpful anymore if they ever did in the first place. All they ever do anymore is protect the special interests of the people that line their pockets with money. They constantly allow all kinds of ....ty drugs that make people go nuts and/or die, and then they turn around and pretend that they're concerned with our health so they can ban e-cigs? BULL..... They don't care about our health one bit.
Go look up Coumadin, AKA: Warfarin Sodium. It's commonly taken by people with high blood pressure. Its original use was rat poison. And it's dispensed by pharmacies every day to many, many people. It's FDA approved...
"ASH cited a typical reaction from a sensitive bystander: “My first exposure to e-cigarettes was last year in a hospital. Smokers were made to go outside but 3 e-smokers plus 2 staff were using the e-cigarettes inside . . . I have lupus and the vapor irritated my nose, eyes, throat, and chest, plus the nicotine was making me feel nauseous so there must have been significant quantities in the side-vapor.”
Yeah right... Okay, even if that's true, does that mean that NOBODY should be allowed to use it? A few people are sensitive to it, so nobody can use it? Some people are allergic to coconut, shellfish, peanuts, etc. Should we outlaw these foods too because of a few people that can't eat them? By the way, I LOVE how anecdotal evidence is perfectly okay for them to use AGAINST e-cigs, but they'll be damned if they're gonna let the opposition use anecdotal evidence to support how well these work for getting people off of real cigarettes. ....... hypocrites...
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A few thing's to think about here. Tobacco, money, lobbyist, money, taxes, money, health care, money, FDA, money, pharmaceuticals, money, ......ed special interest types, money. Health and happiness, no money. Vape on!
I agree w/ Magus86.
I agree w/ Magus86.
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All state senators in New York are up for re-election next month. If there is ever a time they will really, really listen to voters, this is it. You can download a PDF of all candidates here (2010 Certified General Election Ballot on the right.)
NY State Senate starts on page 20; NY State Assembly is on page 47.
The Senate Health Committee is
Thomas K. Duane, chairman - District 29. Democrat running against Joseph A. Mendola
Hugh T. Farley - District 44. Republican running against Susan E. Savage
Charles J. Fuschillo Jr. - District 8. Repubican running against Carol A. Gordon
Kemp Hannon - District 6. Republican running against Francesca Carlow (Democrate) and David L. Mejias (Working Families)
Craig M. Johnson - District 7. Democrat running against Jack M. Martins
Jeffrey D. Klein - District 34. Democrat running against Frank V. Vernuio, Jr.
Carl Kruger - District 27. Democrate running against Avrahom Rosenberg
William J. Larkin Jr. - District 39. Republican running against Harley E. Doles, III
Betty Little - District 45. Republican running unopposed.
Velmanette Montgomery - District 8. Democrat running against Laquan O. Word
Stephen M. Saland - District 41. Republican running against Didi Barrett
John L. Sampson - District 19. Democrat running against Rose Laney
Andrea Stewart-Cousins - District 35. Democrat running against Liam J. McLaughlin
Antoine M Thompson - District 60. Democrat running against Mark J. Grisanti
David J. Valesky - District 49. Democrat running against Andrew C. Russo
George Winner - District 53. Not running
Catharine Young - District 57. Republican running against Michael J. McCormick
Of course, even if they're reelected, there's no guarantee they'll still be on the health committee, but it's a start.
NY State Senate starts on page 20; NY State Assembly is on page 47.
The Senate Health Committee is
Thomas K. Duane, chairman - District 29. Democrat running against Joseph A. Mendola
Hugh T. Farley - District 44. Republican running against Susan E. Savage
Charles J. Fuschillo Jr. - District 8. Repubican running against Carol A. Gordon
Kemp Hannon - District 6. Republican running against Francesca Carlow (Democrate) and David L. Mejias (Working Families)
Craig M. Johnson - District 7. Democrat running against Jack M. Martins
Jeffrey D. Klein - District 34. Democrat running against Frank V. Vernuio, Jr.
Carl Kruger - District 27. Democrate running against Avrahom Rosenberg
William J. Larkin Jr. - District 39. Republican running against Harley E. Doles, III
Betty Little - District 45. Republican running unopposed.
Velmanette Montgomery - District 8. Democrat running against Laquan O. Word
Stephen M. Saland - District 41. Republican running against Didi Barrett
John L. Sampson - District 19. Democrat running against Rose Laney
Andrea Stewart-Cousins - District 35. Democrat running against Liam J. McLaughlin
Antoine M Thompson - District 60. Democrat running against Mark J. Grisanti
David J. Valesky - District 49. Democrat running against Andrew C. Russo
George Winner - District 53. Not running
Catharine Young - District 57. Republican running against Michael J. McCormick
Of course, even if they're reelected, there's no guarantee they'll still be on the health committee, but it's a start.
As scary and irritating as this is, I have no concern that electronic cigarettes will be banned for long if they do get banned. The evidence is just too overwhelming for why e-cigs should be legal... they've helped too many people. As more people switch to e-cigs and more people become educated, it will become more and more difficult to make a case as to why they should be banned. Keep vaping.
I'm in Andrea Stewart-Cousins' Disctrict (District 35)
I was kind of upset that she didn't find it important enough to participate in the hearings last week that Sen Duane hosted given her district starts in Yonkers some 12 or 13 miles from where they were held. Wondering if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to find out what the senators' position is on PVs and how to make some leverage out of their aparent lack of interest in the subject or lack of concern for what others might say.
I was kind of upset that she didn't find it important enough to participate in the hearings last week that Sen Duane hosted given her district starts in Yonkers some 12 or 13 miles from where they were held. Wondering if anyone has any suggestions on the best way to find out what the senators' position is on PVs and how to make some leverage out of their aparent lack of interest in the subject or lack of concern for what others might say.
Tom Duane is mine. I really like him and hope I don't have to vote against him.
I missed that there were hearings but what I'm planning on doing is organizing my thoughts and calling his office to find out where he stands.
Andrea Stewart-Cousins's Contact Information | New York State Senate
I missed that there were hearings but what I'm planning on doing is organizing my thoughts and calling his office to find out where he stands.
Andrea Stewart-Cousins's Contact Information | New York State Senate
Take a look on the CASAA site- the folks who presented did a great job. Not clear where Duane stands but at least he was there ....
I know how to contact my Senator, just wasn't sure how to make use of the fact that she wasn't at the hearing....
Here's what I ended up sending to her:
"Dear Senator Stewart-Cousins -
I couldn't help but notice that you were absent from the hearing held on September 23rd -Impact of New York State’s Clean Indoor Air Act (Public Health Law, Article 13-E) on improving public health. I hope you've had an opportunity to review the video from that hearing- Particularly, the discussion and testimony that came late in the day, on electronic cigarettes and the proposed ban on these devices.
As one who has used electronic cigarettes as an alternative to cigarette smoking, I am interested in knowing your position on them. After trying most of the normally prescribed drugs and procedures over the past few years to stop smoking, I found out about electronic cigarettes (AKA Personal Vaporizers) and conducted my own research before trying them. By using these devices I have successfully stopped smoking for over 4 months- something I had been unable to do in over 30 years.
I trust that you take your position on the health committee seriously and as such will review the information on the CD that was given to Senator Duane. This material includes research showing the safety of these devices as well as debunking much of the misinformation that suggests these devices present any sort of health risk.
I believe these devices to be safer than cigarettes and second hand vapor from these to present no more risk than the air in a busy commercial kitchen. I hope you can take the time to better understand how these devices work before voting on any legislation, and I look forward to hearing your position on the matter soon.
Thank you for your consideration."
Before we quit smoking we were buying cigarettes from a reservation in Seneca N.Y. The Gov. put a stop to that with the PACT Act. The American Indians lost again. The tobacco lobby is powerful. Now they're going after e-cigs cause it's hurting their business
soda ... e-cigs..... e-cigs .... soda
Is there anything they do not want to control or ban in NY?
sorry for all of you that live there. Perhaps you are overwelmed by the number of people in the City and you no longer count or have a voice.
Is there anything they do not want to control or ban in NY?
sorry for all of you that live there. Perhaps you are overwelmed by the number of people in the City and you no longer count or have a voice.
I can't believe I missed this video. I'm originally from Maryland. Close enough to New York to make me want to puke. Maryland has always been the forefront in new laws to pass first. Yet I haven't heard that MD has even mentioned the banning of ecigs. New York legislature is a joke. Didn't anyone look into it before making a vote on it? Didn't one of those people mention that he used one of them? What the schitz is going on? Didn't it help him to stay away from analogs? I feel sorry for the vaping people of New York. You're in my prayers. California won't outlaw them. Schwartzy wouldn't let it go through. His opinion is as adults we can do whatever we want including using nicotine as long as it stays out of youngsters hands.
Do you think it will over be overturned? I read somewhere that a US Supreme Court Judge overturned the ban but was that on federal level? Unfortunately, I know that each state is independant but still, the federal gov should rule over them.
Do you think it will over be overturned? I read somewhere that a US Supreme Court Judge overturned the ban but was that on federal level? Unfortunately, I know that each state is independant but still, the federal gov should rule over them.
I can only assume from your question that you don't realize that, fortunately, the ban was not passed.
The video at the beginning of this thread was of the Assembly passing it. However, the Senate never acted on it during the term that ended last summer, so therefore NY is banless for now.
It is not over yet though.
Most recently, on September 23 the Senate Health Committee held a public hearing on several pending pieces of legislation related to smoking and tobacco products, including the ecig sales ban proposals, and the ecig community and its defenders had four speakers presenting at that hearing. See, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ealth-public-hearing-september-23-2010-a.html
There never was a federal ban, nor a US Supreme Court case. Perhaps you are thinking of the litigation that has been ongoing in federal court in the case of SE and Njoy (now just Njoy) against the FDA. See, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/92116-overview-smoking-everywhere-vs-fda.html
Last January a federal District Court Judge issued a preliminary injunction against the FDA and in favor of the two ecig companies; that decision has been appealed, and oral argument in that case was just heard in the federal Circuit Court of Appeals, coincidentally, also on September 23 (the same date as the NYS public hearing mentioned above). See, CASAA.org
tax -yes - call nic a drug and they will tax/reglate it.
Gov has lost thousands or millons in "sin" taxes with e-cigs.
The question is do they want us to be healhy or just want the sin taxes ---- they just want the money.
I know where I stand on this - follow the money
Gov has lost thousands or millons in "sin" taxes with e-cigs.
The question is do they want us to be healhy or just want the sin taxes ---- they just want the money.
I know where I stand on this - follow the money
Amazing - we have a call to action to stop a ban in NY and posts from all around the world taking shots at NYers without any understanding or appreciation of the dynamics. If you watch the discussions at the political leve, particularly the hearing held by the NYS Senate Heath Commitee, the justification for the ban is based on the disinformation coming from the FDA the federal government and others. Most fail to make the distinction that nic cessation and smoking cessation can be two different things...
Not worried? Fine if you have Arnold as your governor and he tells the lobbyists to find another ax to grind (as long as he is governor), but for the rest of you, you could be next. Get on your congressman or senator to put some pressure on for better/more fair testing or accept that we're going to end up with a black market. Even if it doesn't pass in NY, some the forces at work here have deep pockets, national presence, and religiously believe that these things are bad for the poor smokers as well as anyone standing nearby.
Not worried? Fine if you have Arnold as your governor and he tells the lobbyists to find another ax to grind (as long as he is governor), but for the rest of you, you could be next. Get on your congressman or senator to put some pressure on for better/more fair testing or accept that we're going to end up with a black market. Even if it doesn't pass in NY, some the forces at work here have deep pockets, national presence, and religiously believe that these things are bad for the poor smokers as well as anyone standing nearby.
The local to Albany Fox station, FOX 23, had a short piece on e-cigs. Not too badly done but the talking faces got to say how they're targeted for kids cause you can get cotton candy or tobacco flavor. If I feel its worth the bother I'll encode it from mpg to something utube likes and upload.
i had to go try to find it.....
same old 'excuses' the fda has been pushin all along.
video here
And no way to comment on it that i saw
Here is the full story and a place to comment: A safer cigarette? - FOX23 News - The 10 O'Clock News
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