Nearing disaster in New York - please take action NOW to prevent e-cigarette ban.

[Oliver]

It has just come to our attention that the New York State Assembly voted unanimously to outlaw the sale of electronic cigarettes last week.

You can view the "discussion" as recorded by an ECF member below. Please note the total lack of debate, and the rehashing of the misleading FDA statements from last May.

All is not lost, however, as the Health Committee will also be voting on its version of the bill, and it is this that will be passed to the senate. Please therefore, contact all members of the health committee (details in following post) and urge them to vote against this cruel and inhumane legislation.

If possible, please call them and/or fax them - this is much more effective than emailing, as was discovered in the Illinois action.

There is a thread with much more detail in the CASAA forum, and I recommend that all ECF members read it: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...mbers-casaa-members-call-action-new-york.html

Remember, if this passes in New York State, we will likely see many other states crumble without opposition.

YouTube - NY Assembly A9529 = Banning Electronic Cigarettes

 

[Oliver]

Details of New York Health Committee members:

Snail/phone/fax/e-mail for NY Senate Health Committee (note that 3 don't have listed fax numbers, and 3 others don't list fax numbers at their Albany office):

Thomas K. Duane, Chair
430 Capitol Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2451
Fax 518-426-6846
duane@senate.state.ny.us

Hugh T. Farley
706 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2181
Fax 518-455-2271
farley@senate.state.ny.us

Charles J. Fuschillo, Jr.
615 Legislative Office Building
Albany, New York 12247
518-455-3341
Fax 516-882-0636
fuschill@senate.state.ny.us

Kemp Hannon
408 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2200
Fax 516-747-7430
hannon@senate.state.ny.us

Craig M. Johnson
814 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2622
Fax 518-426-6894
johnson@senate.state.ny.us

Jeffrey D. Klein
427 Capitol Building
Albany, New York 12247
518-455-3595
Fax 718-822-2321
jdklein@senate.state.ny.us

Carl Kruger
913 Legislative Office Building
Albany, New York 12247
518-455-2460
Fax 518-426-6855
kruger@senate.state.ny.us

William J. Larkin, Jr.
406 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2770
larkin@senate.state.ny.us

Betty Little
506 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2811
little@senate.state.ny.us

Velmanette Montgomery
711 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-3451
Fax 518-426-6854
montgome@senate.state.ny.us

Stephen M. Saland
617 Legislative Office Building
Albany, New York 12247
518-455-2411
saland@senate.state.ny.us

John L. Sampson
409 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2788
Fax 518-426-6806
sampson@senate.state.ny.us

Andrea Stewart-Cousins
805 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2585
Fax 518-426-6811
scousins@senate.state.ny.us

Antoine M. Thompson
902 Legislative Office Building
Albany, New York 12247
518-455-3371
Fax 518-426-6969
athompso@senate.state.ny.us

David J. Valesky
416 State Capitol Building
Albany, New York 12247
518-455-2838
Fax 518-426-6885
valesky@senate.state.ny.us

George Winner
415 Legislative Office Building
Albany, NY 12247
518-455-2091
Fax 518-426-6976
winner@senate.state.ny.us

Catherine Young
513 Legislative Office Building
Albany, New York 12247
518-455-3563
Fax 518-426-6905
cyoung@senate.state.ny.us

 

[yvilla]

As Smokey's link goes to midthread of the discussion on the CASAA sub-forum, I'm going to link to the beginning of the thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...mbers-casaa-members-call-action-new-york.html

 

[Haytoni]

Sure until reach time the FDA can determine, how much they can tax the E-Cig. That is it in the nut shell.

 

[Happy Domino38]

NOT good!! 8-o

 

[Haytoni]

Stopping 11 year olds from buying e cig, yet that 11 year old can buy drugs, and kill himself. Work on stopping the use of drugs, getting into our schools, and leave the e-cig. alone.

 

[CES]

I received automated replies from most of the health committee members, but since I stated clearly that I'm not a NY resident, I don't expect much of a response. I'd hope that NY residents get more of a follow up. It looks like open comments website isn't getting updated fairly frequently. But since the comments are sent through a moderator, they will at least have a record of them.

 

[suddenly]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN????

I have subcribed to this site that gives me updates of the current bill.
This is one of the new changes. But I do not know what this means.
Also referred to Health has been crossed out

A9529 -REFERRED TO HEALTH - Apr 21, 2010

 

[eplanet]

Thanks for this thread SJ...

 

[yanks21]

There is no way my car can or will make it to Albany . . . Carl Kruger is the Senator from my District. The calendar on his site has him in Albany until the 29th . . .

Do you think it would serve any purpose for me to visit his office to hand deliver a letter in person and demo my PV for his staff or hold out and try to make an appointment with him since as of now the bill doesn't seem to be on the agenda for the 27th?

Senator Marty Golden is having a Town Hall near me in Brooklyn, NY on Thursday the 29th which I had planned on attending and still will if the bill is not on the agenda come the 27th . . .

Thoughts/input?

 

[Remrey]

Just sent out my e-mails.

Here's a wall-o-text style E-Mail address block for easy copy/paste/karate-chop action.

duane@senate.state.ny.us, farley@senate.state.ny.us, fuschill@senate.state.ny.us, hannon@senate.state.ny.us, johnson@senate.state.ny.us, jdklein@senate.state.ny.us, kruger@senate.state.ny.us, larkin@senate.state.ny.us, little@senate.state.ny.us, montgome@senate.state.ny.us, saland@senate.state.ny.us, sampson@senate.state.ny.us, scousins@senate.state.ny.us, athompso@senate.state.ny.us, valesky@senate.state.ny.us, winner@senate.state.ny.us, cyoung@senate.state.ny.us

 

[kristin]

Smokey Joe, can you fix the link for New York in the Notices at the top of ECF? It lands on page two of the thread, which is confusing people.

Thanks!!

 

[BuzzKill]

That is absolutely AMAZING that they passed that bill with almost NO information and it passed 125 - 0 ?? WTH is wrong with these people ?

Sheep following sheep , no sense at all , with that type of legislature anything can pass !

I guess they will have to sell Personal Vaporizers instead !

 

[quakereject]

That is absolutely AMAZING that they passed that bill with almost NO information and it passed 125 - 0 ?? WTH is wrong with these people ?

If you think RJR and PM had nothing to do with that, especially in New York, where cigs are nearing, if not already hit 10 bucks a pack, you're barking up the wrong tree.

All those tax dollars, especially without FDA (read, big tobacco and medicine) backing that would be lost by actually telling people they could buy a healthier alternative to tobacco. These guys need their vacations, you know. Even easier when they can mask it behind being "for the good of the children". Leaving the door for "when it's approved by the FDA". Which only means, when people find out how to profit the most by taxation and addiction and exploit the crap out of it.

There's definitely not ignorance here, as it always is and will be, they follow the money and do not give a damn about the rest of the issue.

Even if it kills people.

 

[cliff]

Not good people...I'm placing another order.If its taxed not good.If its banned then we will all be hording uh I mean placing orders

 

[doots]

I would suggest stocking up if you live in NY. This looks like its going thru no matter how many people write.

 

[NatureBoy]

Muppets reciting the same lines of BS over and over again. Disgusting.

 

[the_antisheep]

Eliminating the sales to adult these donkey asses (pun wholly intended). Let's focus on the sale to children, and ban it like every other nicotine delivery device. They know .......ned well it is safer than ordinary cigarettes, it's just big tobacco, the "anti-smoking" donkeys (ya, anti-smoking my ....), and the medical association making plans to drain our pocket books at the expense of our health. I officially DESPISE our government. Worthless bloodsucking a-holes.

 

[v1John]

Not good people...I'm placing another order.If its taxed not good.If its banned then we will all be hording uh I mean placing orders

They're not trying to tax them,
they're trying to ban them
and they're trying to do it so quickly.

Letters and emails may not be enough, when their mailboxes are sending automated replies. I have a feeling people need to actually attend the meetings, then the vapers can bring the letters with them. Even if some do not get a chance to read their letters, they can at least present them personally at the meetings.

NY residents should definitely try to attend the meetings and try to read their letter that they bring with them.

 

[Gribeau]

That is absolutely AMAZING that they passed that bill with almost NO information and it passed 125 - 0 ?? WTH is wrong with these people ?

Sheep following sheep , no sense at all , with that type of legislature anything can pass !

I guess they will have to sell Personal Vaporizers instead !

Unfortunately, I don't find this in the least bit amazing. Many politicians, if not most, really don't know anything more about a subject than the average person on the street. The average person on the street is woefully ignorant about anything they're not directly interested in. Their "sponsor" representative who did "so much hard work" mainly had make sure her flunkies typed up the proposal in legalese. She didn't research anything, just like most politicians don't bother digging into the facts of a subject before declaring a position on it.

This is very clearly a case of passing the buck. They're blindly deferring all responsibility to the FDA as an easy solution. In theory that's a great idea, the FDA is supposed to provide an independent and reliable judgment about whether a consumable product is safe for intended use. In practice... yeah, not so much. We all know that, but that's because we're personally invested in the topic. Most politicians aren't.

I think you've hit it on the head with selling "personal vaporizers" instead of electronic cigarettes if this type of legislation is passed. Same general scenario the tobacco supplier I used to buy from had to deal with. Politicians raised taxes on cigarette tobacco through the roof, so most suppliers of loose tobacco intended for rolling your own started calling their product "pipe tobacco" and successfully dodged the tax.

My question is whether they can outlaw the nicotine juice. We can change the name of e-cigs, we can make our own PVs if we really have to, but creating an accurately measured concentration of nic juice at home would be problematic.