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Need an all VG device- suggestions?

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  1. Alessu

    Alessu Full Member

    Aug 8, 2018
    Hi all,
    I am desperate to quit smoking and want to vape, but I am allergic to PG.
    I am looking for a simple , but good quality MTL device, nothing more.

    But from what I've read, VG does NOT work well with restrictive hit, high ohm, MTL devices,
    and that high VG only works well for sub-ohm devices with more airflow.
    (Not sure if I'm putting all of this correctly.)

    Can anyone suggest a simple device that would work for me?
    Thank you
     
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  2. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    You can thin VG juice with Distilled water to get it to wick better.
     
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  3. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    I'll answer more completely when at my computer. But I'm a 45 year smoker who uses all vg. God, how much easier it would have been if I'd started with the sxk doggystyle tank! Best 10 bucks you'll ever spend. Any mod will do to start with.
     
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  4. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    I use an Original Uwell Crown Clearomizer Tank. I'm using a 100% Vg e-juice in it without any issues.

    If interested, I suggest the 1.2 ohm coils for you. Close the air control ring to almost completely closed for a MTL draw. You could also replace the wide bore metal drip tip with a narrow bore delrin tip for an even more restricted draw.
     
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  5. Conductor

    Conductor Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2017
    I'm a MTL vaper and I use only 80VG/20AD liquid. (AD - aqua distillata)
    My main problem was an e-liquid splashing and spatter with mono-wire coils.
    Now I use a clapton coils in all my MTL RTA's
    Typical coil: 2*0.2mm SS and 0.1 mm Nichrome as outer sheath.
    It solves a problem with spatter.
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    @Alessu there is no fundamental problem in the use of full VG liquids
     
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  6. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    Simple would imply that you don't want to build coils, but want to drop in factory coils. I started with the Aspire Zelos kit, because it comes with the Nautilus 2 tank, using the highly regarded bvc coil. It's a great, easy setup, but I tired of buying the coils every few days, and started building. In my opinion, you just won't get the same satisfaction from a factory coil as using an RTA (but I haven't tried Baditude's Uwell Crown). But hey, it worked for the first month or so, and that's the most crucial time.

    I don't think I was using it with all VG at the time, though, and I suspect the Nautilus might struggle with that, especially given how much you might tend to chain vape when first quitting (I sure did). So if you're going to use factory coils, I'd follow Beamslider's advice, and thin with water.

    But if I knew then what I know now, I'd have started out building, and making diy juice with NET tobacco's. It seems daunting at first, but really, both are extremely simple, and replace cigs so much better. Especially DIY juice. The way I do it is SOOO simple, compared to everything I read & viewed, and takes me less than 3 min. to make a 30 ml bottle.
     
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  7. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Whelp, I am a MTL (tend to be more simple device though not all of them) and found out I was Pg sensitive, (I can handle about 10% before it gets uncomfortable) and I just blithely vaped all my "new restricted simple" MTL devices with it and never really had a problem other than maybe slightly shortened coil life. Prime it well and keep inhaling a bit after you stop hitting the fire button it will wick juice into it better.

    Once I started adding 10% distilled water my vape experience (including flavor which I wasn't expecting) improved.

    Once I discovered I could use PEG400 (it's a PG variant and a flavor carrier) my vape improved WAY MORE, (You'd have to get to the point of being willing to attack DIY eliquid, as I don't think it's widely sold AT ALL though I could be wrong) my vape GOT AWESOME.

    Also, if you do wind up using PEG400 , research safety for yourself, I did and was comfortable enough with what I found, but you should probably LOOK for yourself, etc.

    You can make most things work, if not in their "idealest" fashion, vaping, if you try hard enough. Etc. I have a feeling you may be just fine and if you want to avoid Total Clog, add DW to your mixes, it should help and unless over 10% the vape doesn't get gross or watery that much, honestly. I only noted improvements from doing it, although I don't now that I use PEG400.

    Anna
     
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  8. BrotherBob

    BrotherBob ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Dec 24, 2014
    Sunnyvale,CA,USA
    Welcome and glad you joined.
    RE: "VG does NOT work well with restrictive hit, high ohm, " While using RDA's, I vape VG only at 3.0+ ohms frequently and get fantastic taste.
    Simple drop in coil tanks have been mentioned. Might want to consider RDA's (total scalability) in the future. Since vaping can be totally scalable (DL/MTL, sub or non sub, VG etc), the choice you have can be overwhelming. The main thing to remember is, part of vaping is all about you the vaper, being in control and the freedom to fix/tailor any aspect of vaping you feel you need to improve upon.
    One of these days you may get tired of the expense and effort replacing prebuilt coils and consider an RDA. If you can bend paper clips and thread a needle, you can build your own coils and wick them. It's that simple. All you need is wire and a round rod (small screw drivers work) with approximately 1/8 inch od plus a wire cutter..
    Re: Wrapping Building Coils 101 For Beginners
    Might like to read:
    Drip Vaping: Your Guide to Dripping e-Juice | Vape-Resource.com
    http://spinfuel.com/art-drip-guide-vaping/
    (7) Information Resources for Your First RBA | E-Cigarette Forum
    Atomizer vs. Cartomizer vs. Clearomizer. The Ultimate Guide
    Rebuildable Tanks Explained: RBAs vs RDAs vs RTAs vs RDTAs
    re: SXK DOGGY STYLE
     
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  9. Alessu

    Alessu Full Member

    Aug 8, 2018
    Thank you everyone for your responses, I appreciate it.
    But I'm confused....I don't even know what an RTA is!
    Like I said, I am a super beginner and really looking for something simple to get off cigarettes.
     
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  10. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 30, 2017
    Yep...been there.
    So my suggestion would be to go with the Aspire Zelos kit or something like it. Simple, easy, and pretty good. Designed for MTL (mouth to lung), like smoking, as opposed to DL (direct lung, like cloud bro's do). MTL is like you'd hit a cigarette, pulling smoke into your mouth then inhaling, and DL is like hitting a b*ng, just simply breathing it in. Most, but now all smokers start with MTL method, as all they want to do is replicate a cigarette.
    Comes with the mod (battery) portion, and the tank (atomizer with coil, juice, etc.) on top. If you ever decide to advance, you can use any kind of atomizer on top of the mod - others with factory coils, or atomizers you actually build a coil for, and wick yourself.
    Or you could get a vape pen type, like a Juul, but none are built to last, and most people move on from those anyway. I'm sure others will chime in on the pros and cons of the Juul types, and more info for you.
     
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  11. Alessu

    Alessu Full Member

    Aug 8, 2018
    Thank you...there are many simple options out there, but most recommend 70/30 VG/PG and I need to use all VG. Having a hard time finding a simple device that can accommodate such a thick juice.
     
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  12. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    RTA = rebuildable tank atomizer. It's a tank in which you put homemade coils and wick in. Not something I'd recommend as being simple or for a beginner vaper. Below is one type - a Kayfun Lite RTA.

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  13. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    I doubt you will find a kit that recommends 100% vg. You can still use one though. Just dilute 100% VG with up to 10% Distilled Water, Probably 5% or less will do the trick.
     
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  14. Myk

    Myk Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 1, 2009
    IL, USA
    I've used 100% VG when I bought liquids and 80%VG/10%PG flavoring/10% distilled water since I've gone DIY since I restarted vaping in 2012 when there were eGo-Cs and Vivi-Novas.
    It's not the 100% VG, it's people blaming 100% VG without trying to figure out a solution to their liquids that are too thick.
    I've only run into one too thick of bought liquid ever. As said above add a little distilled water (or PEG400). It doesn't take much so add it a drop at a time. I think I had to add 5 drops to my too thick of liquid.

    Most pro-mixers who sell 100% VG liquids know VG is thick and their liquids are thinned enough already. Much ado about nothing. (Same with those who blame VG for gunking up their coils.)
     
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  15. Letitia

    Letitia Therion/Nano Junkie ECF Veteran

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    Apr 2, 2017
    West Frankfort, IL
    I diy using max vg with 6% distilled water and have no issues. I think with a Innokin Zenith tank using the .8Ω coil and air flow where you like it you will be fine with vg juice. If juice is too thick add dw by the drop until your wick is keeping up. Then you can try adding dw to the juice bottle by adding just a few drops at a time, shake and add to tank and vape. If still too thick repeat.
     
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  16. Skunk!

    Skunk! Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2014
    Las Vegas
    I use 100%VG in my Nautilus X at 5 watts over the recommended power and never had any issues with wicking. I don't add distilled water.
     
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