Need different ecig or better juice?

[ThaDraGun]

Trying to get my wife to quit regular cigarettes. I bought her the JOYE 306 Mini Ecig because it looked close to the real thing and thought it would help her transition over. As well I read its parts can be interchanged with the 510 so if and when she wanted to upgrade the 306 could still be used.

She used the 306 for a couple weeks then just stopped. Hasnt used it since. She says she uses it every now and then but I doubt it. She said it just doesnt cut it for her. Shes ok for 5-10 min, then needs a cigarette. It doesnt have much taste.. its like shes not smoking anything. Maybe no throat hit? Im not a smoker so I dunno. She tastes liquid sometimes (I told her she must be over filling it sometimes) She has no problem with the size or battery life.

Is this a problem with the ecig... perhaps just not good enough for her needs, or is the juice not strong enough? She got 18mg juice from madvapes. Maybe she need higher? Or maybe she is just needs to use the ecig a different way?
She smokes canadian dumaurier cigarettes.

Shes willing to try again if I can get different juice or different parts. Any ideas?

 

[Coil]

Could be the nic. level, maybe the e-cig. Could be a number of things really. Sounds like your really dedicated though. First what nic. level is in the juices she's using? Oops. nevermind Re-read and you said 18. I started at 18 and it wasn't enough for me. I just wanted a cig. real bad and got super frustrated. I switched to 24mg and never looked back. Does she clean her attys or cartomizers etc.

Could also be built up juice on the BAT or just gunked up in the threads and not getting a good contact. I clean my battery threads with a Q-tip and alcohol at least twice a week. Same with my charger and it helps get alot of gunk outta there. If the unit is bad though try out a new kit and see if that ignites the fire for her. Also having a few different juices on hand might keep her interested. Dunno how many she has but I needed a little "variety pack" and still do to stray from boredom. Even the best juices need a good rotation now and then...

 

[juxt4p0z]

Yeah that's a tough one. I have been trying to get my wife to stop smoking with e-cigs also and haven't found the right combination yet. My wife is a bit different though, in that she says my ego-t hits too hard, and makes her choke. I'm down to trying blu's :/

For your wife I'd recommend an ego kit, good vapor production and generally warmer vapor. Try that with a higher nic strength, maybe 24 and 'deeper' vape flavors. Sweet stuff is hit or miss, and too easy to turn newbies off...I thought my first cherry flavor was medicine uck! If she likes caramel the ry4 and b o b's omg from kickbassvapor are good and strong.

Make sure she's hitting different than a cig...slow draw 6 - 8 seconds, hold in mouth a sec then inhale/exhale.

Good luck!

 

[Mindfield]

Both are important, frankly -- the hardware and the juice. The hardware can make juice taste better, it just depends on the juice.

To be honest I'd get her some hardware that generally makes juice taste good, something like a Volt kit from Smokeless Vapor. It's still got a cigarette form factor, you can get it in automatic batteries (if that's important), and it apparently works very well -- at least, according to popular opinion, the best of the cig-sized PVs. Juice is important, too -- obviously she's going to need something she likes, so find out what sort of flavours she likes and order her some juice. Depending on how much she smokes and how into the throat hit aspect of it she is, you might want to start off at 12 or 18mg, or somewhere in that neighbourhood. It's a good middling ground and you can adjust up or down from there if it's too much or not enough.

The proper PV and good juice makes all the difference in the world, and if she has something she actually likes she'll be more inclined to stick with it.

 

[WalksWithWiFi]

i was going to second the ego kit purchase, but i am taking that back for now-
order some boge lr cartos(2.0), they hold a good amount of juice and once you get the knack of fill and refill, they can't be beat(imo)-
and, as you said, they should thread into the 306 if you get the 510 variety-

Juice can be very personal,
make it a couples thing of looking over some good juice vendors and let her pick some flavors she likes-
get her into it.

 

[AttyPops]

Bah. Don't mess around. Get a 5 v box mod and 3.0 ohm atties, + juice. Use it yourself. "Loan" it to her, so she can try it. Problem solved. Hits like a cig. Tons of vapor/flavor. Don't even mess with the whole "slow draw" thing, or LR stuff, in this/her particular case.

EDIT: Sorry... just re-read and saw you are not a smoker/vaper. Go with 5v mod or vv mod. Or skip it. Remember: you can lead a horse to water............

She has to want to quit.

 

[WalksWithWiFi]

because i am just waking up with coffee still, i blurred the original post with another later in where the poster says his wife claims the ego-t hits too hard-
now that i can somewhat decipher that too much throat hit is not a problem, yeah, get something that hits harder-
a 5v box mod like atty pops recommended wont set you back much-also, they make 3 ohm cartos, just in case you need something a lil more "hassle" free-
still though, look over juices with her-

 

[dormouse]

Is she using cartridge and atomizer, the way it is shipped? Because if so that is a very annoying way to vape. And the 306 carts tend to give a bit of burning plastic taste.

And I imagine you got her automatic batteries too? It's easier to get a good hit with manuals.

Most people who buy THEMSELVES something like that end up buying something better within 3-4 weeks.

And Madvapes juices are Chinese juices (some flavors are awful) and their own TopVapor juices (cheap but some flavors are ok, some are not)

Keeping in mind that you probably can't make someone else switch..

Upgrades

Boge 510 cartomizers in standard resistance (around 3 ohms) (3 colors available at NiteLiteVapor including tan since I imagine you assumed she would want her ecig to look like a cig). And you learn how to use them properly. And get sealed manual batteries.

Better juice (and I recommend 20% or less VG for the Boges like 80PG/20VG). And note - some new vapers are only satisfied by tobacco flavors. Some prevent cravings by staying away from tobacco flavors. Some can vape anything right away.

Better batteries, at MINIMUM Joye 510 manuals (you can get white)

 

[izabella]

Get her a pretty Volt battery with grape cartos, the smooth sampler and the sweet sampler carto packs. And a set of blanks to fill with the juice you have. Use the ECF coupon code (10VOLTECF). A basic starter kit is $30.

Volts are the new generation of batteries, with the newer horizontal coil cartos. Smooth, easy inhale, good throat hit but not too sharp, lots of vapor. Two pieces - battery and carto. Easy. Great performance.

Get higher nic than she's using right now if it's not satisfying her cravings. Juice is a personal thing...taste is so subjective. But even if it takes a while to get the right flavors, as long as the nic is doing the job, she'll persevere until she finds the ones she loves. But the nicotine is the key.

 

[saraf3m]

If battery life is no issue, I suggest a cannon drip tip and some stronger juice (nic and flavor) and just direct drip 2-3 drops. This is my husband's favorite set up. (he's now at 36 mg Wyatt Earp (FSUSA) but started with 24mg and quit analogs same day). If she likes the ease of a cart/carto but not the fill, the 510-T and tanks are not bad (imho). I like the tank for the 510-T while driving, but at home I ended up liking the direct drip method as it is the most straight forward and best flavor. m2c (from a n00b)

PS
Switched from 510 manual bats to an eGo, and now using a Rough Stack. Smoke free since June

 

[dormouse]

I would not recommend higher nic on a higher voltage PV. And did she say she likes grape? I hate grape.

What kind of juice did you buy at madvapes? if you bought VG juice them she is probably getting very little hit.

 

[jordonm41]

I like the ego I went from the 510 to it, I also have to vape at least 24 mg or I want to smoke.

 

[Afzal44]

i started vaping 2 months ago and ordered a kr808 kit. Got juices from vermillion river (my favorite), backwoods brew, gourmet vapor, and vaperite. I started at 18 mg. Did nothing for me. Then went up to 24 mg. Was better but still not getting the throat hit i needed. I decided to order a mod. Specifically Old goat mod 3.7 bottom feeder with a LR atomizer. Will be trying it with LR cartomizer as well. Hoping it's the device for me that makes the difference. Waiting for it to arrive in the mail

 

[ThaDraGun]

Wow, thanks for all the replies.
Yah, I talked to her last night about it and she does want to find something that works. I wanted to make sure so that I wasnt wasting anymore money if she didnt want to. So thats a good thing.
I'm not sure of the VG/PG ratio for ones we got from madvapes. I tried looking at the order and it doesnt say. I ordered a bunch of 5ml bottles to find ones she liked, all 18mhg. Some she thought were good, others tasted ok. Nothing completely horrible tho. Like you all say it just takes trying them out to find the fav.
She picked Key Lime Freeze, Chocolate Fudge Bavarian Cream, Cherry Blossom, Green Apple, Creme Brulee, Fried Apple.

Where's the Smokeless Vapor site? google search didnt come up with anything. The volt one sounds interesting. $30 isnt too bad.

If they are ok I would rather stick with the 306 or 510 or a combo of both.. unless you all dont think either will be good enough. From what I read most people do use the 510, right? I just would rather not put a huge amount of money into it buying a new kit if shes just gonna stop again. We're in Canada and last time I couldnt find any kits under $100 after shipping. Plus duty and crap and woryring about them getting confiscated at the boarder and Im out 100+. I had to order one and have it sent to my parents house in usa to get a deal.

What pieces of the 510 can I get? Does everything work, or only some parts. There are just so many different pieces I cant tell whats what.

She is using the cartridge and atomizer for 306 like it shipped. We bought some extra empty carts (Sorry i think thats what its called) from healthcabin. She takes the end off, takes out the cotton piece, drips abit, puts it in, drips a bit. I dont watch her really but I showed her lots of videos from ecig reviews how to do it. Im sure its probably a bit annoying and there was a better way of doing she would love it but she doesnt mind doing that way right now. The only thing thats stopping her from using it is that it doesnt stop her cravings. She smokes a half a pack or less a day. She fills up two so the other ones ready when she needs it.

Someone said stay away from the tobacco flavors? I was going to try to find her a really good DuMaurier flavored to see if she would like it. bad idea tho? Thats all she smokes right now.
I was going to get her the ry4 the first time we bought because I heard alot like it but I let her choose the flavors. I think Im picking the flavors for the next batch.

Also, it doesnt have to look like a cig I dont think she really cares. I just thought it might be easier to get her used to it at first. Im pretty sure she wouldnt want this huge cig tho either. I've seem some pretty crazy looking ones. Auto or manual doesnt matter to her either.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Alot of the names and stuff mentioned ive never heard of or theres different cigs with the same name so I dont know what one is the good one. (example: ego. So many different ones, Joye eGo, RIVA EGO, Janty ego..) so Im gonna to do some googling and see what they are like. Im still learning all the terms. When it comes to the mods it gets even more confusing. "5 v box mod and 3.0 ohm atties" Wouldnt even know where to start. lol

Thanks for the help so far

 

[ThaDraGun]

Can the boge lr cartomizers be refilled with different juices, or just one kind, then thrown out? I know with the normal cart with the 306 the cotton or whatever inside can taken out, rinsed out, dried and put back in for a different flavor. I know they arent expensive so it wouldnt be a big deal if they cant, just wondering.
I watched a bunch of reviews and they all say the boge was really good. Thinking about maybe a boge, and a 510 battery. Then they can be all switched up together? and I'll get different juice

 

[dormouse]

Boge cartomizers I am talking about are blanks. It is a pain in the a to wash and dry cartos and many fail at it and many don't think it is worth the trouble. They are meant to be disposable. It is best to keep refilling a carto with the same juice or compatible juice. (like one good compatible juice would be a good sweet vanilla - vanilla goes with every dessert and fruit flavor. I actually think vanilla improves the Madvapes Cherry Blossom). Vapor4Life wow Vanilla is very sweet and marshmally/cotton-candyish with a sharp-edged hit. Gourmet Vapor vanillarum is Vanilla+caramel+rum and I buy it in 80PG/20VG for cartos. Those two vanillas are thin and leave very little sediment. I get good carto life with those.

I only use a cartomizers for my current favorite juices, ones I have already tested (I use a drip tip on an atomizer on a MANUAL battery only to test juices. With auto battery a cart should be used, not a drip tip. I restuffed my 306 cart with blue foam - I cut down one of the small piece for 510 at strictlyejuice.com - search there for foam).

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If you stick with the 306 then I also recommend you try a Joye brand ONLY 510 manual battery and charging cable for her to try - you could get a small white one if that's what she wants. At 180mah it should have 80% more charge than the 306 battery and can use both 306 threading and 510 threading. There is also a long battery Joye 510 mega xl manual - very nice, 280mah, but at 128mm length with a carto it looks too long to be a cigarette. I use the black ones of bot which have blue LEDs. I use the short 180mah ones with the roomy PCC cigarette-pack look from NoSMokeVA. The mega xl ones can only use a non-roomy metal PCC.

One other benefit of trying the 510 manual battery - it has a totally sealed threaded end and cannot be damaged by cartomizer leaks - you just wipe the occasionally little leak up. The reason to buy Joye brand is good quality (same maker as 306) and you will not accidentally buy a poorly made or reverse polarity clone. LiteCigUSA.net and Liberty-Flights.com have Joye 510 batteries.

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Juices - she chose wisely. I like the Chocolate fudge bavarian and the Cherry blossom (though I sweeten it with some sweet vanilla ejuice). HOWEVER - some people cannot stop smoking unless they have tobacco aroma juices. One I use that is not stinky and hardly tobacco at all (I vape it in my fiance's car and tell him it is cocoa) is Vapor4Life WOWbacco. Their model is a KR808D-1 so their cartomizers will not work on 306 or 510 but they sell the juice.

Your wife might also be interested in seeing the Vapor4Life model and if that attracts her I highly recommend manual batteries because the way a carto occasionally leaks is perfectly aimed to damaged an auto battery. The Vapor4Life model, KR808D-1, is not compatible with 306/510 but it is the most popular 2-piece model and has a stronger dryer hit vs 510 w/ the same amount of nicotine (KR808D-1 is a real 3.7v slim mini). I think 510's hit with a Boge carto is moister and more vapory with an easier drag (I use all manuals so fo me the easier drag is more airflow).

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How I fill a cartomizer (Vapor4Life for KR8 or Boge 510 for 510 which are all soft-cap w/ no inner seals and defined central air channel)

I use thin (20% or less VG) liquid or Vapor4Life WOW liquids, preferably clear liquids w/ no sediment

Filling a blank carto - I pop off the soft cap (unbent paperclip carefully in the mouth hole, not catching any wires or stuffing!). I hold some tissue against the threaded end hole. I tilt the carto and slowly drip 18 drops onto the inner wall of the carto so it slides down into the stuffing while I rotate the carto. Then I wait 15 seconds or so then I drip however many more drops the stuffing wants to soak up. Then I do clean-up. If it is leaking, I clean that up. Then I tilt the open end down into the tissue and puff hard a few times into the threaded end to clear any juice out of the central air channel (I want to see light through there). If it looks too wet above the stuffing, I gently touch a bit of tissue to the stuffing (otherwise that liquid will be gurgling or spitting in my mouth). Then since this was a fresh fill of a blank, I now let it settle. I lay the carto on different sides for 15-20 minutes. Then it should be ready to vape. If you use thicker juices than me, then you may need to let it settle longer.

As I am vaping - if the vapor gets a bit light or a bit dry or tastes bit off or the carto is getting unusually warm, I will take the carto off the battery, open it, add 6-8 drops or whatever it seems to want (I will either hold a bit of tissue against the threaded end hole just in case, or skimp on how many drops I add to make sure I avoid drips if I have no tissue). I check to make sure the threaded end is dry, give it a couple of puffs into the threaded end to make sure the air channel is clear, and continue to vape.

Note - it is easy for me to "open" my main cartos for adding juice because I replace the white end cap with a plastic or delrin drip tip (I get them at LiteCigUSA.net). So I can easily pull that out with my fingers when I add juice and it keeps my lips cool if the carto is hot.

 

[ThaDraGun]

will the charger that came with the 306 work on a 510 battery? obviously it would take longer because its a bigger battery.. but is it compatable? dont want to try and fry it or somethin

 

[fun2btango]

Hi, good luck to your wife. I can understand what she's going through. I started vaping in March..I was so excited the first 2 weeks then I caved. I was craving analogs at the first set of any disruption in my life I was experiencing. Someone D and B Gold - Home post #144 here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...go-kits-1300mah-45-00-650-mah-40-00-a-15.html suggested to me that possibly I wasn't getting the nicotene satisfaction. He led me to a stronger PV and I upped my nicotene juice to 24 mil. Happy to say it's all working for me very well now! Have her try some nictoene flavored juice, coffee and my favorite Atomic Cinnacide from Welcome to Tasty Vapor Both suppliers are very helpful in helping you start up and get the right product suited to you!! I might recommend the IGO 650 Black. They are pretty awesome and the price is incredable!! Good Luck to you and your wife!!

 

[mostlyclassics]

Lots of good advice in this thread!

I was going to try to find her a really good DuMaurier flavored to see if she would like it. bad idea tho?

Some have advised lower nic concentrations, but I wouldn't. DuMaurier cigarettes pack quite a whallop in both tar and nicotine, much more so than just about any American cigarette, so I think she'd need a minimum of 24 mg./ml. e-liquid.

The closest "DuMaurier flavored" I can think of would be "555" or "3&5," but just about any "tobacco" flavored e-liquid is going to taste more like what a freshly-opened pack of cigarettes smells like, rather than what a smoldering cigarette smells like.

What sort of fruit or soft drink does she really enjoy? A "watermelon" or "cherry" or other fruity flavor might be better for her, or so might a "cherry cola" or "lemon-lime" flavor.

The main thing about e-cigarettes is that they do not offer the same sort of experience as an analog cigarette. In my mind, it's a mistake to try to closely replicate the cigarette smoking experience. The only thing e-cigarettes have in common with analog cigarettes is the nicotine. Instead, e-cigarettes are an entirely different nicotine delivery system, which can prove to be just as satisfying as analogs, once she changes the paradigm in her mind.

 

[fun2btango]

Did I say nicotene flavor? LOL I meant tobacco flavored and yeppers 24 mil!!