Need ex- smokers Veterans advice on 3 issues.

[KENNY V]

Very Glad to hear you are an official vapor now. If you have any questions about anything feel free to ask, there is no such thing as stupid questions here

yea asked a bunch of Q's above first fire up vape funy smell taste is it from
New carto? Or juice it self?
tank taste different flavor than carto?
Why does it smell taste like burt marshmellow is that the poly fill?
How u get rid of that taste/ smell? ( Plasticy)

How can I try different juices with same carto ( drip)?
make ato clean and drip with the carto's i have ????
Lastly an upset stomache is that from the nicotine?
tx

 

[T41CK]

I'm glad you did not hesitate to ask

1)Cartos can sometimes have a funny smell especially when first filled. I like to let them soak for about 20 min to avoid this. A over filled carto is much better than a dry one because one can always blow out the excess.

2)Tanks will get a different taste than a carto and this is due to all of the filler they put in the carto.

3)The burnt smell could be both the juice and the carto. try and follow 1) maybe this will help.

4)If you burn it to bad you can not fix this, it will always taste burnt. This is why I always flood a new carto no matter what...

5)This is what I try different juices with this http://www.vaporbeast.com/product_p/c22.htm . I use a different brand than this one but it will still work for you. If you want to try another juice but your previous juice smell is still in there I rinse it out with DISTILLED water or vodka. Rubbing alcohol works to but I would let dry on a heat register or something to increase drying times.

6)The upset stomach is completely normal to someone just starting out vaping. I was vaping 36mg when I first started and I literally sweat with an upset stomach. I vape 18mg now

Hope This Helps T41CK

 

[Hulamoon]

Hey Kenny, sometimes with those cartos, you need to "blow them" uh...ahem...yes. Get a tissue, and blow through the carto to remove any industrial sludge that may have been put in the carto to keep it from drying out in tranit.

Try a 24 mg nicotine juice for those "got to have a cig" moments. (But don't use in the evening as nic is a stimulant and might interfer with your ability to sleep.

Also order a juice in 80 VG/20 PG and see if this helps. You mentioned that the earlier e-cigs hurt. Can you explain that in better detail. No-one should hurt from vaping. Let me know! And congratulations on sticking with it. Way to go dude - oh, and if you want a smokie now and then, that's OK too. If you think you can get over the hump without them, brilliant!

 

[Rickajho]

Hi Kenny. Welcome.

First off - relax, breathe. And welcome to the learning curve. It sure seems you have the motivation to quit smoking. Figuring out how to use e-cigs takes some time. Not much, but this isn't a replacement for smoking - it's a very different experience. You have two different experiences going one here at the same time: quitting smoking and starting vaping. It will take some time to sort out which experience is making you feel what.

In your first couple of weeks, if you are cutting down and/or quitting smoking your body is going through withdrawal. Withdrawal from all that other crap your body is used to getting from burning processed tobacco. This isn't just about the nicotine. It's about quitting the 4,000 or so chemicals that you get along with the ride when you smoke. That alone can be the source of a lot of what you are experiencing: the upset stomach, headaches, weird body sensations. For some people this is easier than for others. For me - those first two weeks were rough. Then it got a lot easier.

You also need to fully understand that vaping is not smoking. A lot of newbies chase after a cigarette experience and won't find it. E-cigs just don't work the same and cannot provide instant gratification. You can make yourself sick trying to vape yourself into a "nicotine buzz" like you would expect from a cigarette. The "gear shift" here is learning how to vape on a consistent enough basis to satisfy your nicotine cravings, not to take a few deep drags off an e-cig and expect an immediate reaction. Doesn't work that way. To a great degree, in the first weeks you need to learn to vape enough. It's not the auto-pilot you are used to when you lit up a cigarette and just did what came naturally after that. You have to keep picking up an e-cig and hit a button every time you want a drag. In other words, in it's own way vaping takes more effort than what you were used to with smoking. The pacing comes with use and time.

Regarding your vaping style, it sounds to me like you are "lung inhaling" - same as you did with cigarettes. This is one of the hardest things to un-learn when changing from vaping to smoking. I thought I was gonna die my first day of vaping, sucking it down like I did with cigarettes. (I was a 2 PAD lights smoker and I really deep inhaled when I smoked.) Someone else posted the best analogy I've seen in a while: you want to drag more like you are smoking a cigar - vapor into your mouth and to the back of the throat and that's it. You won't get more nicotine out of it sucking the vapor way down into your lungs either. This took me weeks to get down. Take a look at the ton of YouTube videos of people vaping - it helps.

Regarding a specific question: No, you can't pull the filler out of a carto and use it to drip. On almost all cartos that filler is rolled or wrapped around the heating coil and wire inside there. You can't readily - or easily - separate the filler from the coil and wire inside.

Like I said - relax, breathe. You can sort this out. And you can have a cigarette too! This is like no other method to quit. Many folks do that "I picked up a PV and never touched another cigarette again." I didn't. Same as you - I rapidly reduced my smoking in the first week. After that, I continued to smoke for 3 months. As I went along I smoked fewer and fewer - some days none at all - and I liked them less and less. I was down to my last cigarette in my last pack - smoked it - didn't enjoy it and it was over. If you have the desire to do this you will figure out your own end game.

 

[KENNY V]

Thanks guys appreciate all the help . If you have shared something I had posted and I have not personally thanked you I am doing it now. ... you have seen I am on Day 9 of quilting the smokes and having a rough time .. I didn't realize the transition was going to be so hard.. Nor did or do I know what to do about decreasing nicotine and or vaping as a replacement to analog. I have learned the hard way its NOT the same nor as EZ for everyone .
Short Update the first 8 days I was NOT able to successfully use the e cig and hatted it . Still do …. But still stuck to my guns and decreased my smoking by 70% . I'm not sure if that is TOOOO FAST but that is what I did. Because I had already planned this in my mind....

Please comments welcome how you made the transition to vaping . I know every one is different, I cant let them go as of yet , I know myself... and since already had a plan of attack I think its logical to stay what I thought was going to be successful
Again comments welcome ..if I am missing something here ? . I am struggling and don't want to give up.... However the vaping ain't cutting it yet

The night I received my pv I vaped for a few hours didn't get ANY satiation only sick to my stomach so reverted to a few analogs . Yup even felt worse I felt crappiest I had ever felt in my smoking carrier. .The the next morning I felt just as crappy not satisfied and everything you can think of when I tried to replace the vape for my first morning fix. Yesterday I did not vape because of the night before experience , I felt crappy all day too either vaping or not so pretty much only had 6 smokes all day . is that good or bad ???

Not sure to think of any of this right know only want to continue and try with some confidence and or a game plan …..I think I am / wuz going through major withdrawal but at the same time not able to handle the nicotine delivery system as with vaping still not sure. ?????????
I made some adjustments and cut all my juice so I can try to vape allot to see if that helps. I was using 18 mg juice which now is cut down to probely about 10 mg. I am using a volcano inferno with both tank and carto delivery system.
still confused I think still not sure if its withdrawal or the nicotine in the juice. To go from a 30 year old habit pack a day. To hand full of smokes in five days w/ a few puffs on an electric device just wont cut it.
Again suggestions welcome


BTW is there a support part of the forum?
A place that folks have shared game plans, strategies to quitting tips and tricks ? Obstacles to overcome as you replace analog with vaping . Thanks again for all your input and support . You guys are great please be patient with me

 

[avetter11]

Be patient with yourself, Kenny. Quitting cigs is TOUGH! Right now smoke 'em when you need 'em and don't beat yourself up for doing it. Quitting smoking is about wanting it bad enough to do it. Vaping is a way of easing the pain of quitting, not meant as a replacement. Keep doing what you're doing. You can't replace a 30 year habit quickly, or easily. Just hang in there and remind yourself of the reasons you decided to quit. Health, smell, cost, family, whatever the reasons, just don't get down on yourself when you need a cig. Just have one and use vaping to lessen the number of 'logs until you can stop, completely. We're here for ya! Good luck!

 

[Berylanna]

Please comments welcome how you made the transition to vaping . I know every one is different, I cant let them go as of yet , I know myself... and since already had a plan of attack I think its logical to stay what I thought was going to be successful

I've heard of 4 different 'types' of vaping converts. *First Day *2 weeks *Three months *18 months. I'm pretty sure I would have been an 18-month person but I quit combustibles after 9 months because my smoking was not decreasing any more.

When I first started vaping, my aim was not to quit smoking, it was to START vaping, since I had heard stories of people who quit smoking after learning to vape when that was not their original intention.

Each month for the first 5 months I learned something important that decreased my smoking. Better devices. Find my "all-day-vape" flavor. Found out that I will NEVER get that "aaaahhhhh" feeling from nicotine alone, so I started ordering WTA juice (read the sticky about WTAs) and found that, although I did not get the "aaaahhhhhh" on the first hit like I did with cigarettes, I got it after about 10 minutes. Which beats the heck out of "never" which is what I was getting with nic-only juice.

They estimate 5-20% of smokers are as addicted (of not MORE addicted) to the other powerful trace chemicals in tobacco. Note these chemicals (Whole Tobacco Alkaloids) are also in snus, so some folks vape + use snus instead of vaping WTA juice.

So, back to my story:

1. Better equipment than the stores: 1 1/4 PAD to 1 PAD
2. Better juice 1 PAD to 3/4 PAD
3. WTA 3/4 PAD to 1/2 PAD
4. FAVORITE juice discovered: 1/2 PAD to 1/4 PAD
5. Major job and family stress added: 1/4 PAD to 1/2 PAD

This was at the 5-month mark and for the next 4 months nothing changed, so I decided it was time to stop waiting for more miracles (isn't 4 enough to ask?) and actually quit smoking on New Years day. I'm down to 1 craving a day, well under a minute per craving. Still dreaming about cigarettes but mostly nightmares about having to take down my quit banner because I slipped and smoked a stinky.

Notice in real life I did NOT have to take down my banner!

 

[KENNY V]

Be patient with yourself, Kenny. Quitting cigs is TOUGH! Right now smoke 'em when you need 'em and don't beat yourself up for doing it. Quitting smoking is about wanting it bad enough to do it. Vaping is a way of easing the pain of quitting, not meant as a replacement. Keep doing what you're doing. You can't replace a 30 year habit quickly, or easily. Just hang in there and remind yourself of the reasons you decided to quit. Health, smell, cost, family, whatever the reasons, just don't get down on yourself when you need a cig. Just have one and use vaping to lessen the number of 'logs until you can stop, completely. We're here for ya! Good luck!

Thanks man I needed that still like to have answers tho..

the anxiety is that from NOT having smokes ?
not having the nicotine ?

The sick feeling is it Too much/ not enough nicotine?

Bottom line still NOT satisfied one bit...... then ya got folks say o yea day one I knew it was my first love gime a break.. those ecigs suc...

I need some answers The worst thing is realizing the dam drugs they snuck into the smokes
im a little ...... now, wish I didn't learn that part. Its stuck in my brain now that I wont be satisfied

can anyone relate share a bit on that part ? How do ya know???

Bro I try to vape and DO NOT get that Aha!!!! feeling . Hopefully but im sorry I think I am one of those that need to have the MAOIS to be satisfied.

I see u ride so maybe ya can relate . Its like buying a new scooter and keeping the stock pipes on it.
When ultimately you rode open drags for 30 years . Silly right? Your NOT going to be satisfied when ya ride er.. No throat , when ya crack the throttle , no power, no kick , no rumble no nuttin... Kinda silly right ? Almost happened to me when I bought a Glyde 2001. By my mistake put a set of screaming eagles, jetted the carbs tho. thought I was set... Lol.. A few weeks later went out and got a set Of Vance in hinds , few weeks later learned about cutting the baffles down.. Every time I rode I wanted more .. Within two weeks I cut them down to nothing . Now Bike sounds like it was supposed to. Hope that made sense...

Moral to story not being able to get a Ahaa!!! is like a scoot without pipes . Vaping should be able to satisfy my needs without smoking right?
Help me out Bro....

 

[Berylanna]

Thanks man I needed that still like to have answers tho..

the anxiety is that from NOT having smokes ?
not having the nicotine ?

OR from not having the WTA's. These maois are NOT things they added to cigarettes!!!!!!
They are things they SUBTRACTED from nicotine extract. They are part of the reason why tobacco is/was sacred to many Native Americans.

Almost all herbs that have an active ingredient noticed by the FDA has a half-dozen additional active ingredients ignored by "civilized" people.

Since cigarettes, cigars, pipes, and snus are all made out of tobacco, not nicotine extract, they have not had these things stripped away.

(Kind-of like how breakfast cereals list all these wonderful vitamins they've added, without mentioning it's because their processing stripped them away in the first place...)

I need some answers The worst thing is realizing the dam drugs they snuck into the smokes
im a little ...... now, wish I didn't learn that part. Its stuck in my brain now that I wont be satisfied

can anyone relate share a bit on that part ? How do ya know???

Bro I try to vape and DO NOT get that Aha!!!! feeling . Hopefully but im sorry I think I am one of those that need to have the MAOIS to be satisfied.

Moral to story not being able to get a Ahaa!!! is like a scoot without pipes . Vaping should be able to satisfy my needs without smoking right?
Help me out Bro....

Are sisters allowed?

 

[Whiplash]

Hang in there kenny v!
I had some of the same problems at first. The "Cig2o" and "Metro" almost made me go back to my old cigs but I got a "Blu" classic tobacco disposable. From there it was a standard 510 kit and some quality juice. It took about ten days but haven't had an analog for over a year.

 

[Dansauls]

Welcome to ECF Kenny

I was a 3 pad smoker for well over 35 years. I had to ween myself off the analogs over a couple weeks. I looked at it as the number of analogs I didn't smoke rather than only had 6 today..... that would have been 54 I didnt smoke!!!!

I had a hard time inhaling at first, it made me cough worse than normal. I had to change type and (nic) stregth of the ejuice I was using.
I had to cut down to 18mg after I got use to inhaling I went back up to 24mg to satisfy the cravings. After smoking for 35+ years I didn't expect to quit overnight. I had tried everything possible to quit before I found vaping. I tried gum, lozengers, patches, welbtrin, chantix, hypnosis, herbal remedeys and I could probably add a few others....

Today I can say it's been over 3 months sice I had an analog and vaping has become a hobby I realy enjoy.

 

[KENNY V]

OR from not having the WTA's. These maois are NOT things they added to cigarettes!!!!!!
They are things they SUBTRACTED from nicotine extract. They are part of the reason why tobacco is/was sacred to many Native Americans.

Almost all herbs that have an active ingredient noticed by the FDA has a half-dozen additional active ingredients ignored by "civilized" people.

Since cigarettes, cigars, pipes, and snus are all made out of tobacco, not nicotine extract, they have not had these things stripped away.

(Kind-of like how breakfast cereals list all these wonderful vitamins they've added, without mentioning it's because their processing stripped them away in the first place...)

.

id like someone to elaborate on this more . About the MAOIS and whole tobacco alkoloids and the drug effect. Whats its in ...
.Hopefully it will help me sort this out BC thoi heard about it.... and didn't want to know . Then once i knew i though it would be worse for me to quit .. if that made sense..

.let me ask. sot does whole tobacco ( natural tobacco ). contain. the whole tobacco alkaloids?

and how about a brand of smokes like American spirit ?

little confused and if i may say many times i tried to quit and smoked them and they DID NOT give me the Ahaa!! feeling now either that was a coincidence or im on to something here.

Are sisters allowed? [/

of course sis he was bro with a scoot. that i knew can relate and you ?
pleeze to have meet ya
im Kenny v

 

[lulu836]

Hi Kenny. Welcome.



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Regarding a specific question: No, you can't pull the filler out of a carto and use it to drip. On almost all cartos that filler is rolled or wrapped around the heating coil and wire inside there. You can't readily - or easily - separate the filler from the coil and wire inside.

All very good advice. One thing though.........you actually can use an old polyfill carto to drip with. I do it all the time. The secret is to let the polyfill get as dry as desert sand at high noon. Then take a pair of tweezers or hemastats and grab the polyfill and pull it out. This would apply only to the older cartomizers with 808 threads of which I have a jillion but it does work for me.

 

[Berylanna]

This is old but still valid, it's a "sticky" on ECF:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/infozone/new-ecigarette-user-guides/wta-eliquid.html

Since these are in tobacco, and nobody takes them out, they are in ALL tobacco products.

E-juice is not a tobacco product, even though "legally" it is IFF the FDA decides to "deem" it so. E-juice starts with a drop of pure nicotine, originally extracted from tobacco, diluted down to 3.6% (36 mg) or 2.4% (24 mg) or 1.8% (18 mg) etc etc with PG and/or VG, and then with flavorings added. Most flavorings are artificial, some are organic, a few are from organic tobacco, but it takes a really good chemist to get the alkaloids out of the leaves, so unless you are using Whole Tobacco, i.e. tobacco leaves, you generally don't get Whole Tobacco Alkaloids.

I haven't been on a bike for 37 years, except for the class I flunked (I kept stepping down with my left foot when I could hear it was time to change gears) but I have a new used kick-scooter, does that count?

 

[Beretta]

I think that the woozy reaction to a cigarette is mostly caused by the added junk in the cigarette more than the nicotine.... I could be wrong, I am about due......

I think you are absolutely correct. My morning 1st analog of the day would ALWAYS make me feel woozy and dizzy, especially if I bent over. This DOES NOT happen with my vaping, and I regularly vape 18 - 24mg till I get my hit. No woozy feeling.

To the OP: Tobacco companies add ammonia to analogs, which enhances the nicotine absorption faster. Plus whatever else is in the analog cigarette, take your pick of 3000+ chemicals/carcinogens that are making you feel woozy. It might be your blood pressure going way up because of the analog cigarette too.

 

[FrankLantern]

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and how about a brand of smokes like American spirit ?

little confused and if i may say many times i tried to quit and smoked them and they DID NOT give me the Ahaa!! feeling now either that was a coincidence or im on to something here.

When I went from camels to american spirits I went through a type of withdrawl. I think my transition to vaping was easier because I was smoking american spirits when I started vaping.

Before the camels I rolled my own, three castles, drum, etc. The change to camels was huge. Much more addicting than just regular tobacco.

 

[Berylanna]

I think you are absolutely correct. My morning 1st analog of the day would ALWAYS make me feel woozy and dizzy, especially if I bent over. This DOES NOT happen with my vaping, and I regularly vape 18 - 24mg till I get my hit. No woozy feeling.

To the OP: Tobacco companies add ammonia to analogs, which enhances the nicotine absorption faster. Plus whatever else is in the analog cigarette, take your pick of 3000+ chemicals/carcinogens that are making you feel woozy. It might be your blood pressure going way up because of the analog cigarette too.

I totally disagree. Even smoking organic cigarettes I got the buzz, which I don't get with vaping, because the lung absorbtion of burning tobacco is MUCH faster than the mouth absorbtion of vaped juice. Also pulling harder on a combustible pulls in more air making it burn faster, upping your dose.

With an e-cig, pulling harder does nothing except maybe flood your atty. It takes quite a few minutes of vaping to equal a fast hit off a cigarette.

This is good news and bad news. The good news is, once you learn to vape, you'll be fine, if you have the right equipment and juice.

The bad news is the delay can mean that beginners can over-vape a little and become agitated. Doesn't happen often but I did it once. Unfortunately, smoking would have made the agitation worse, so I had to send my roommate out for 0 nic juice so I could handle my anxiety until it wore off ( a few hours and a really big meal later.) Lesser over-vaping tends to lead to headaches for most folks. We all adjust once we learn the new "pace."

 

[avetter11]

I suspect the anxiety is from not smoking. That's one reason it's so hard to quit. The sick feeling could be from either one. I have vaped until I felt like I was gonna puke. Had to go down in nic strength. Afraid I have no answers about the MAOIS thing. Maybe someone else can help. I have gotten to the 'ahhh' point with vaping. It just took time. Everyone's different. I still smoke 1 or 2 'logs a day, but get more satisfaction from vaping, no make that more enjoyment, knowing it's not a cig. BTW, I have the V&H pipes. I'm running Big City Thunder Monster baffles in the V&H's. Hang in there, bro!

Also, I'm avetter11 @ HD forums as well.

 

[KENNY V]

I totally disagree. Even smoking organic cigarettes I got the buzz, which I don't get with vaping, because the lung absorbtion of burning tobacco is MUCH faster than the mouth absorbtion of vaped juice. Also pulling harder on a combustible pulls in more air making it burn faster, upping your dose.

With an e-cig, pulling harder does nothing except maybe flood your atty. It takes quite a few minutes of vaping to equal a fast hit off a cigarette.

This is good news and bad news. The good news is, once you learn to vape, you'll be fine, if you have the right equipment and juice.

The bad news is the delay can mean that beginners can over-vape a little and become agitated. Doesn't happen often but I did it once. Unfortunately, smoking would have made the agitation worse, so I had to send my roommate out for 0 nic juice so I could handle my anxiety until it wore off ( a few hours and a really big meal later.) Lesser over-vaping tends to lead to headaches for most folks. We all adjust once we learn the new "pace."

Ok gota ask a few things here what you said brought somem things to my mind and id like to underastand . You know being a newbie an all . . First night I got my kit / juice I guess I over vaped but only bc I was waitimng for something to happen that never came . And it was ahellofallot bettr than those e cigs . Of couse so I continued only to get a stomach ache and felt worse .. So then frustrated had a smoke and called it the day.

So how long shroud a vapeing session go for that would = a smoke . How many hits should you take lets say you are using good equipment and the same Mg Juice that is equilent to what you normaly would get in an annlog?

and how long should you wait till you decide it is NOT enough and vape more?


On to the next Q

Next day tried to vape and felt bad for a few hours let that wear off and had a smoke in the mean time. So what goin on in that scenario ? Believe me I wana vape and NOT smoke

Last night I cut all my juice in half so I can give it a try today . Today if I only vape for lets say 10-12 hits ( tried about a half a dozen tries) still get somewhat headache but not as bad as . How many hits should I take or whats goin on ?

Still not satisfied look forward to waiting a few hours for my Analog . Why I get headache from vape and not anolog?

Ohh some good news today I did a few drips a few times 1-2 drops. yea !! flavor too... so I know im getting there just need to sort out what I need to get by every few hours … Its tough battle glad u guys are here .. thanks for all your help

I haven't been on a bike for 37 years, except for the class I flunked (I kept stepping down with my left foot when I could hear it was time to change gears) but I have a new used kick-scooter, does that count?

Nope but thats ok ya still top shelf peeps in my book

Btw I had an ole sporty had opposite side shifter , I had to get that one quick else when ya needed a brake in watn't there. That ride was was a transition. My highway peg broke too so always wanted to put my foot up on that side .

 

[Berylanna]

It's SO hard to answer those questions. For me, if I did't mix 1/2 nic juice with 1/2 WTA+Nic juice, NO amount of vaping would be enough. Most folks start out vaping as long as they would have smoked a cigarette and then adjust from there, up or down, I think.

Something tells me dripping might be right for you -- it's not my cup of tea. With dripping, I think they recommend putting 5 drops onto a dripping atty (ask someone else!) and vape it until the first hint of burn or dry in the hit, and it's about the equivalent of smoking a combustible.

You Tube is pretty much necessary for any vaper, since we're all long-distance learners...kinda like going to an online college! Maybe a dripper will make suggestions here for middle-quality atomizers that don't cost a fortune but have a reasonable lifetime before they have to get thrown away. Also, there are now rebuild-it-yourself atomizers. And there are YouTube videos on how to maintain an atty to get the best life out of it. And YouTube videos on dripping technique (which I didn't watch because I'm not a dripper.)

Me, I'm using rebuildable ViVi Novas, but my way doesn't sound like your style. Like I said 9 months to quit smoking, only got uncomfortable once, burned through 3-4 sets of equipment before I found my niche. But I'm loving it and plan to vape on as long as I live.