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I've had a REO Grand for about a month now. Nothing fancy, just got a couple of Reomizers (rba's) and did the micro coil. Each one turned out at around 1.0 ohms. I got tired of changing the wick every couple of days and just went with the Super Shorty 1.7 carto.
I'm a happy camper with this setup. I always said different strokes for different folks.
I'm a happy camper with this setup. I always said different strokes for different folks.
I'm going on over 3 weeks with my VV Bogger Box vaping a Reomizer v2 at around 1 Ohm at 4.7v using a Fc-2000 porous ceramic wick.
I believe I have a 4-3 wrap of 29 Gauge.
The problem with MicroCoils is that they go out of alignment. I've had better success with a 3-2 or 4-3 wrap for stability.
As for changing the wick the FC-2000 Porous Ceramic or the XC-116 last a long time.
I find the purest flavor with a FC-2000 after it's been broken in 2-3 days with it reaching it's peak at around a week.
The Porous Ceramic Wick FC-2000 just keeps getting better with age.
If the Reo Grande was substantially less than the VV Bogger Box than it might be an OK choice. But when VV Bogger Box goes on Sale there is only a $10.00 difference. In my humble opinion the VV Bogger Box blows the REO Grand away.
Only reason to go with Grand is smaller size and the ability to rebuild it. It's not in the same league as the vv Bogger Box.
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When you make tons of coils they have a tendency to shift around as they heat and contract.
I've make Micro Coils and had them move around and short out, they seldom last long.
I have a tendency to change atomizers and drop em, treat em rough the shift is enough to short out a micro-coil setup. This part is just my opinion and also could be a testament to my lack of skill.
I've found a 3-2 wrap or a 4-3 wrap with lower gauge coil to be rock solid and forgiving.
I've make Micro Coils and had them move around and short out, they seldom last long.
I have a tendency to change atomizers and drop em, treat em rough the shift is enough to short out a micro-coil setup. This part is just my opinion and also could be a testament to my lack of skill.
I've found a 3-2 wrap or a 4-3 wrap with lower gauge coil to be rock solid and forgiving.
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I've never had a micro coil shift or distort under normal use or even close to causing a short. What are yours shorting on exactly? Many people don't realize the true definition of a micro coil. Im not saying you specifically but in general from what I see in the two threads. I'm not a seasoned micro user but I just want to point out that a true micro is .06"ish OD with all coils pretty much touching each other. Many people do one or the other & call it a micro. A true peforming micro must be both. Get into .08" OD coils & that's not micro territory, that's "mini", although they perform great too as long as the coils are very tightly wound. Use a 1/16" drill bit to wind a tight coil & that's already to large of an OD to be a micro. My micro & mini coils have no less than 10-12 wraps. And cotton is the only wick material that I can thread through the small micro ID coil that can actually keep up with wicking.
Subohm is great but a true micro gives the same performance without having to actually go subohm. IMHO the only reason to go mid to low sub ohm is to blow them super massive dense clods using large air holes. I was skeptical at first as I am not a fan of singing cotton if not paying attention but I do see the true performance of a true micro. I have kept most of my micro coils that I have replaced, why, cause they're still perfectly fine & still the same shape as when I built them. I find micros and minis to be stiffer than coils with only 1/4 to 1/3 of the wraps. All I use are Reos.
Hmm, there's something wonky going on, but I'm not sure what. I use 28 or 30 ga kanthal, and that is thick enough not to move anywhere. As in, when I try to adjust the height of the coil, it actually takes effort to bend the leads
I would venture to say that you have done something wrong. The micro coil that I am currently vaping is 3 weeks old. I use a cotton wick which gets changed at least daily. The coil is 1.4ohms. Are you bumping the coil when you remove the top cap? I use 28 gauge Kanthal. The heat should lock the coils in place, not shift them. I use a torch while squeezing the coil, to lock the coils into place before installing the coil on my atty. The only time my coils get removed are when I decide to try another build. I have never popped one and I dry burn them when I replace the wick. I chain vape at 12 watts so the coil takes quite a bit if heat.
I'll give the Micro Coils another try, it's very probable that I'm doing it wrong. I only made them once.
The subject is whether to buy Bogger Box or Reo-Grand
Back on topic, The Reo Grande is a sleek unit. Some say it's very durable.
My experience with it was not so. I returned it for RMA because my button was melting. Rob does not Call Tag or offer to reimburse shipping. When I got it back I was very dissatisfied with the performance.
I'm now in the process of being slammed on another thread because I had the temerity to state and prove that the REO Grand is unsuited to Sub Ohm Vaping. On a .5OHM Atomizer it had a 1-1.2V Drop as compared to a .5-.6 drop on a low end mechanical.
Since I own a VV Bogger Box that has fantastic performance on Atomizers that are 1 OHM and above, this made the REO Grand totally unsuitable for my purposes. I consider the 1.2V drop to be a defect that should have been disclosed by the company or should be found in the forums.
Most amazing experience, on that thread I've been slammed because I called Reo Mods service Average. Slammed because I should have posted a post asking about it., slammed because I didn't research it thoroughly.
The worst part of it all is that on the one hand I'm being slammed because they claim that my tests aren't right, and on the other I'm slammed because I should have known ahead of time that it would perform abysmally in Sub Ohm Vaping.
The most frustrating part is that I bought the REO based on the stellar reviews, fully prepared to like it. I picked up 5 extra bottles and a rebuild kit. Figured I'd have it a long time. Now I'm being told that I bought it just to try it, test it, and than return it.
Insane.
The most insane part is that I did the review very even evenhandedly, I said that it's small appears rebuildable durable and is fine in the upper ranges of Ohms. If one listens to the review I state that the Reo Grand is fine for around 1.8 ohm and above. It's like no one listened to the good but only the negatives.
I made my conclusions based on facts [ tests ].
To me a Mechanical is for Sub Ohm Vaping. What use is it to me to have a mechanical for above sub ohm vaping when I have a VV Bogger Box that will take a 1 Ohm Atomizer stabily up to 4.7v. The only use for a mechanical [to me ] is if [ I ] want to venture into Sub Ohms.
The aluminum case and purported ruggedness of the Reo don't outweigh the superior performance of the vv box [ to me ]
The Reo has it's place and I don't think it's a bad decision to own one. If it suits [your] needs.
I'm entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours.
The subject is whether to buy Bogger Box or Reo-Grand
Back on topic, The Reo Grande is a sleek unit. Some say it's very durable.
My experience with it was not so. I returned it for RMA because my button was melting. Rob does not Call Tag or offer to reimburse shipping. When I got it back I was very dissatisfied with the performance.
I'm now in the process of being slammed on another thread because I had the temerity to state and prove that the REO Grand is unsuited to Sub Ohm Vaping. On a .5OHM Atomizer it had a 1-1.2V Drop as compared to a .5-.6 drop on a low end mechanical.
Since I own a VV Bogger Box that has fantastic performance on Atomizers that are 1 OHM and above, this made the REO Grand totally unsuitable for my purposes. I consider the 1.2V drop to be a defect that should have been disclosed by the company or should be found in the forums.
Most amazing experience, on that thread I've been slammed because I called Reo Mods service Average. Slammed because I should have posted a post asking about it., slammed because I didn't research it thoroughly.
The worst part of it all is that on the one hand I'm being slammed because they claim that my tests aren't right, and on the other I'm slammed because I should have known ahead of time that it would perform abysmally in Sub Ohm Vaping.
The most frustrating part is that I bought the REO based on the stellar reviews, fully prepared to like it. I picked up 5 extra bottles and a rebuild kit. Figured I'd have it a long time. Now I'm being told that I bought it just to try it, test it, and than return it.
Insane.
The most insane part is that I did the review very even evenhandedly, I said that it's small appears rebuildable durable and is fine in the upper ranges of Ohms. If one listens to the review I state that the Reo Grand is fine for around 1.8 ohm and above. It's like no one listened to the good but only the negatives.
I made my conclusions based on facts [ tests ].
To me a Mechanical is for Sub Ohm Vaping. What use is it to me to have a mechanical for above sub ohm vaping when I have a VV Bogger Box that will take a 1 Ohm Atomizer stabily up to 4.7v. The only use for a mechanical [to me ] is if [ I ] want to venture into Sub Ohms.
The aluminum case and purported ruggedness of the Reo don't outweigh the superior performance of the vv box [ to me ]
The Reo has it's place and I don't think it's a bad decision to own one. If it suits [your] needs.
I'm entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours.
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Tom, I am sorry if you are being slammed for a different opinion. I completely disagree with you on quite a few points, but I don't see that to be a reason to not continue a civilized discussion.
1. I love my Reos. I do. But I can still appreciate the beauty and advantages of Bogger Boxes, genesis, hybrids, tube mods, etc. To each their own. I'm happy to have found something that works for me, and I'm glad you found something that works better for you.
2. I don't agree that mech mods are only for sub ohm vaping. Tastes differ. I tried coils as low as .7 ohm on my mech mods, and the only way I like it is in a genesis setup. In my Reos, I much prefer a 1.7 ohm microcoils, that, subjectively, produces similar vaping experience to a .8 ohm genesis.
3. I still think Reos are very sturdy. I think your bad experience was related to you pioneering the extreme low resistance vaping on them. They do work for .7 just fine, but I haven't tried (and don't plan on trying) them at .3
4. If you would like, PM me, and I would be glad to make and mail you several different microcoils for you to try, with specific instructions. If you like them, great, it would possibly increase your battery life. If you don't, I'm not really out anything
1. I love my Reos. I do. But I can still appreciate the beauty and advantages of Bogger Boxes, genesis, hybrids, tube mods, etc. To each their own. I'm happy to have found something that works for me, and I'm glad you found something that works better for you.
2. I don't agree that mech mods are only for sub ohm vaping. Tastes differ. I tried coils as low as .7 ohm on my mech mods, and the only way I like it is in a genesis setup. In my Reos, I much prefer a 1.7 ohm microcoils, that, subjectively, produces similar vaping experience to a .8 ohm genesis.
3. I still think Reos are very sturdy. I think your bad experience was related to you pioneering the extreme low resistance vaping on them. They do work for .7 just fine, but I haven't tried (and don't plan on trying) them at .3
4. If you would like, PM me, and I would be glad to make and mail you several different microcoils for you to try, with specific instructions. If you like them, great, it would possibly increase your battery life. If you don't, I'm not really out anything
I'm really surprised that the Mods have let this go as long as they have.
The video itself states that your not a Professional reviewer. So your opinion is nothing more than " my zero to your power of 10 = NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!"
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The video itself states that your not a Professional reviewer. So your opinion is nothing more than " my zero to your power of 10 = NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!"
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I'm not sorry your being slammed. You yourself stated that your not a professional. I will agree with that statement.
Its interesting to me that REOnauts are exactly the same as the Provariati. When someone has anything negative to say about their APV's, the thread is flooded with nothing but stupidity... I totally agree with Commie about everyone being civil. I don't see the review as bashing in any way shape or form. It didn't work out for Tom and he voiced "HIS" opinion. If someone doesn't like it, take it for what it is, (his opinion), and move along. The mods should have stepped in at some point in the past few days and halted all the bashing he has taken... It's all uncalled for!!!
As I stated to Tom through a PM, unfortunately that's just human nature. People tend to stick up for their own kind & this is not any different. Not saying it's right but it happenes everywhere with anything. I don't necessarily disagree with it as long as the group is civil & is just trying to clarify information. Tom was civil to have contacted me about my post in the other thread & I give him great respect for that. I don't consider us to be enemies even if we may or may not have different views.
Unfortunately for these threads, I am a Reonaut.
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Even if he posted the review in the E-Cigarette Video Review threads, (which is where it should have been posted to start), the supplier still would'nt have been able to answer the review. The only place the supplier could comment on the review is in their own forum pages, (Reos Mods), and Reviews of Suppliers Negative or Positive.
I am the daddy of 2 reo grands, and soon to adopt 2 bogger boxes. Custom boggers can take a while to receive. I ordered on may18th and they shipped out july 20-something. The reason i dont have the boggers in my hand yet is because im deployed overseas and mail takes a week or 2 to reach me. Ill be happy to chime in and pro/con each when i have both in hand. The boggers i have coming are a zebra/zebra standard, and a dna leopardwood with green stabilized caps n inlays. Im an aircraft electrician so i know my electrical section well. I can roll both microcoils with cotton and slr with silica, mesh, and xc116. I got a multimeter as well of course.
That being said it might take a little for that in depth review seeing as im currently deployed and work 12-14 hrs a day with one day off a week. The review will probably be in writing because i am only armed with my iphone and a crappy internet connection.
That being said it might take a little for that in depth review seeing as im currently deployed and work 12-14 hrs a day with one day off a week. The review will probably be in writing because i am only armed with my iphone and a crappy internet connection.
As for input on the reo grands so far. I bought one at first with 3 reomizer2's (to feed my future boggers as well). i work a physically demanding maintenance job and I'm in tight, 140degree spaces sweating through my uniform all day. Thats why i got the reo. I piece of art shouldn't be subjected to regular pocket torture nevermind middle east aircraft maintainer torture.
My prior mod was a k100 telescope with an a7 atty. I always unscrewed my atty in fear of snapping the 510-to-a7 connection. The reomizer2 is short and stout and i do not fear that ill break this connector. The grand with the reomizer2 IS pocket friendly. Thats a major plus for me and probably a lot of people.
The reo DOES have a higher internal resistance than my old trusty k100tube. A 1.2 voltage drop on a 1-1.1 ohm coil should be expected. (At least it was noted for me using a fluke87v multimeter post to post on the reomizer2 with a fresh cgr18650ch at 4.1vdc.) - the multimeter was professionally calibrated a month ago. Its maintained and calibrated annually. The internal resistance of the meter/leads was .3 ohms and was properly accounted for in all my resistance checks.
That being said. I tried out microcoils. I wrap them off a 18awg needle. My final outcome was 1.6 ohms with 29awg kanthal round wire. Wicking was cotton. The reo grand performs spectacularily with this set up. I was so happy with it. After vaping this coil for 2 days i ordered my second reo grand. (Had to get a plain-jane silver vein because the lack of paint appeals to me in the looks to longevity dept).
I am still superduper psyched about my boggers. But i look at them now as my soon-to-be weekend mods instead of my badass workhorses.
If anyone is still trying to decide even though the old author of this post had decided, ask youself this: do you want a well put together workhorse? Or a beautiful piece of vape-art? Now choose your weapon. (Im sure nobody will bash you for buying both)
My prior mod was a k100 telescope with an a7 atty. I always unscrewed my atty in fear of snapping the 510-to-a7 connection. The reomizer2 is short and stout and i do not fear that ill break this connector. The grand with the reomizer2 IS pocket friendly. Thats a major plus for me and probably a lot of people.
The reo DOES have a higher internal resistance than my old trusty k100tube. A 1.2 voltage drop on a 1-1.1 ohm coil should be expected. (At least it was noted for me using a fluke87v multimeter post to post on the reomizer2 with a fresh cgr18650ch at 4.1vdc.) - the multimeter was professionally calibrated a month ago. Its maintained and calibrated annually. The internal resistance of the meter/leads was .3 ohms and was properly accounted for in all my resistance checks.
That being said. I tried out microcoils. I wrap them off a 18awg needle. My final outcome was 1.6 ohms with 29awg kanthal round wire. Wicking was cotton. The reo grand performs spectacularily with this set up. I was so happy with it. After vaping this coil for 2 days i ordered my second reo grand. (Had to get a plain-jane silver vein because the lack of paint appeals to me in the looks to longevity dept).
I am still superduper psyched about my boggers. But i look at them now as my soon-to-be weekend mods instead of my badass workhorses.
If anyone is still trying to decide even though the old author of this post had decided, ask youself this: do you want a well put together workhorse? Or a beautiful piece of vape-art? Now choose your weapon. (Im sure nobody will bash you for buying both)
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