Need help deciding between the bogger box and the reo

[mayday_]

[QUOTEI'm in love with Reo mechanicals. It's very subjective, of course, but I don't seem to notice the difference as the battery drops off to, say, 3.7v, at least not on a coil around 1-1.2 ohm.

Word of warning about the kick -- 10W is not all that much, and in order to fit it in, you have to drop one battery size, which is about half your battery capacity ][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I heard about that yesterday. It would be nice to have the best of both worlds. i'm leaning more towards the Reo mech (and hoping I don't notice the drop off) but I would like to get a bogger down the line at the very least as a show piece

 

[mayday_]

Well, I was looking at the vv Reo Grands today and was surprised to see one that I liked available. I jumped pretty fast to catch it before it was gone. Whew! I didn't intend to do that today, and kind of took myself by surprise. The order went through. I'm not sure when it will be delivered yet.

Of course I suddenly realized that I didn't have batteries for it and rushed to get those ordered. The last thing I want is for the Reo to arrive and then have to wait a long time for the batteries.

youre lucky wabbit the one I wanted so badly just got taken off the shelves yesterday

 

[bryce704]

I just got my 2 Reo's from a trade with another member and I am in love. True love. Think I might sell off the other mods I own and just keep these 2, its really all I need. Don't want to even vape anything else right now

 

[mayday_]

I just got my 2 Reo's from a trade with another member and I am in love. True love. Think I might sell off the other mods I own and just keep these 2, its really all I need. Don't want to even vape anything else right now

What did you have previously?

 

[wabbit]

I just got my 2 Reo's from a trade with another member and I am in love. True love. Think I might sell off the other mods I own and just keep these 2, its really all I need. Don't want to even vape anything else right now

Is that a Vmod XL in the picture? How would you compare the vaping experience between the Vmod and the Reo?

 

[bryce704]

I have owned a Vamo, Sigmax v2 and v3, tmax, lambo, natural, mechs and yeah the Reo is like a Vmod but perfected. I am just tired of playing with stuff and even refilling carto tanks and priming cartos seems like a pain to me. So I fell in love with bottom feeders, VMOD XL was my first jump into it. Had it for maybe 6 weeks now. I really love it but was a pain to feed the juice to the atomizer or whatever when the bottle became half empty. The vape is very similar but the feed system in the Reo is far superior, all it takes is a very gentle touch off the bottle and a quick primer puff and your good to go. Build quality the Reo is much better. Just beautiful and feels much better in the hand than the Vmod. I love the door on the Reo too, fun to play with and way easier to get to the insides than the Vmod. I would get some small leakage on the vmod but not the Reo. Plus I can put a rebuildable atty on the Reo. Only the send day with Reo's these are my first impressions. They are so hard to put down lol

 

[mayday_]

Thanks guys I just ordered my Reo last night. I am currently on the hunt for the RBA for it since they are out of the Reomizer on the site

 

[wabbit]

Thanks guys I just ordered my Reo last night. I am currently on the hunt for the RBA for it since they are out of the Reomizer on the site

Congrats! Now you get to join me in waiting for delivery.

 

[mayday_]

Congrats! Now you get to join me in waiting for delivery.

Delivery is the worst part

 

[wabbit]

Delivery is the worst part

Very true! I got my shipping confirmation email this morning with the tracking number, so in a day or two I'll know when to be home to accept delivery.

I've been spending the time figuring out what to do with my accummulated vaping equipment. I have 4 of the MadVapes vv boxes and I'll probably keep those and keep the Vmod XL. The rest can go. I have about 50-60 cartos ranging from 1.7 ohm shorties to 3.5 ohm full size and a bunch of attys. By the time I use those up the RBAs might be back in stock.

 

[mayday_]

Very true! I got my shipping confirmation email this morning with the tracking number, so in a day or two I'll know when to be home to accept delivery.

I've been spending the time figuring out what to do with my accummulated vaping equipment. I have 4 of the MadVapes vv boxes and I'll probably keep those and keep the Vmod XL. The rest can go. I have about 50-60 cartos ranging from 1.7 ohm shorties to 3.5 ohm full size and a bunch of attys. By the time I use those up the RBAs might be back in stock.

I got my confirmation today as well. From what I hear the reomizer will be back by the end of the week.

 

[niczgreat]

I bought a Reo and was very unhappy with it. When I received it the buttons melted. So I rebuilt it and same problem.
Sent it back to Rob and he fixed it.

The Reo is old technology. It claims to be a mechanical and it a very poor mechanical when used with Low Ohm Coils.

If you are vaping on a normal Stick atomizer you'll be happy. But if you are into .5Ohm and below the Reo doesn't cut it. The voltage drop under load is over 1 Volt.

My VV Booger Box costs around the same as a Reo. I'm vaping around 1 Ohm at 4.7V and 1.2 Ohm at 5V.
The only reason for me to buy a Mechanical is for Sub Ohm Vaping on a RBA and the Reo has such a huge voltage drop it's unusable.

So if you are Mr Normal and like normal vaping you'll love the Reo. If you are into RBA and sub OHm Vaping or even 1 ohm vaping the Reo doesn't cut it.

Seeing is believing

 

[Commie]

I can see your point, Tom.

I'd like to clarify though, please correct me if I'm wrong:

Reos are very well built for most people's purposes. That includes RBAs. Many use a whole lot of different RBAs on them with great success. Some of them use low resistance coils.

The problem is in the definition of "low resistance". LR carto is 2 ohm -- it does wonderful with that. General LR coil on RBAs is around 1-1.4 ohm -- Reos do great with that. Some people (including myself) occasionally use coils lower than that. My lowest resistance coil was 0.8 ohm on a Reo -- and it did fine.

However, if you get into lower resistances than .8, and do require it to run as close to 4.2v as possible, Reo will not be for you. There will be voltage drop, and at extreme low resistances you will fry your mod.

It doesn't make Reo a bad mod. It just makes it unsuitable for your purposes. Just like Provari, as great as it is, is unsuitable for mine -- I prefer bottom feeders. Same as wooden mods are also currently unsuitable for me, since I have rough playing children that have kicked my mods off tables, and inside my pockets. The latter hurts, by the way

I'm sorry that Reos didn't fit the bill for you, but I'm glad you found a well-made mod that works for you. That's the beauty of the current state of vaping -- there's something that will work for just about anyone.

 

[niczgreat]

I can see your point, Tom.

I'd like to clarify though, please correct me if I'm wrong:

Reos are very well built for most people's purposes. That includes RBAs. Many use a whole lot of different RBAs on them with great success. Some of them use low resistance coils.

The problem is in the definition of "low resistance". LR carto is 2 ohm -- it does wonderful with that. General LR coil on RBAs is around 1-1.4 ohm -- Reos do great with that. Some people (including myself) occasionally use coils lower than that. My lowest resistance coil was 0.8 ohm on a Reo -- and it did fine.

However, if you get into lower resistances than .8, and do require it to run as close to 4.2v as possible, Reo will not be for you. There will be voltage drop, and at extreme low resistances you will fry your mod.

It doesn't make Reo a bad mod. It just makes it unsuitable for your purposes. Just like Provari, as great as it is, is unsuitable for mine -- I prefer bottom feeders. Same as wooden mods are also currently unsuitable for me, since I have rough playing children that have kicked my mods off tables, and inside my pockets. The latter hurts, by the way

I'm sorry that Reos didn't fit the bill for you, but I'm glad you found a well-made mod that works for you. That's the beauty of the current state of vaping -- there's something that will work for just about anyone.

You are right on the mark.!

With one exception, I found the vape on the REO as too cool for my taste even at 1 Ohm on a RBA. I think a VV Variable Volt is a better investment.

Rob has a policy of No Returns. So I wanted to make potential customers aware of this issue and that
if they are planning on using a Reo in Sub Ohm Vaping it won't be the right APV for them.

I also think a VV Bottom Feeding APV is a better choice.

 

[Commie]

You are right on the mark.!

Rob has a policy of No Returns. So I wanted to make potential customers aware of this issue and that
if they are planning on using a Reo in Sub Ohm Vaping it won't be the right APV for them.

I also think a VV Bottom Feeding APV is a better choice.

VV bottom feeding may be preferable to some people. Somehow I can't taste very noticeable difference when the battery discharges in a mech. Or at least it doesn't bother me. So, at that point, adding VV for me would only mean larger size and less battery (VV circuit eats some).

Some of the VV circuits use fairly low frequency for their PWM. For example, I can't handle the default chinese 33Hz chips. DNA12 and DNA20, however, use (I believe) 800Hz which makes PWM not noticeable when vaping, similar to Provari.

Incidentally, Bogger Box does make a DNA20 driven bottom feeder (which is, I think, what you have). And they're gorgeous looking. Once my kids grow out of the "destroy daddy's stuff" age, I think I'll give one a go.

 

[niczgreat]

VV bottom feeding may be preferable to some people. Somehow I can't taste very noticeable difference when the battery discharges in a mech. Or at least it doesn't bother me. So, at that point, adding VV for me would only mean larger size and less battery (VV circuit eats some).

Some of the VV circuits use fairly low frequency for their PWM. For example, I can't handle the default chinese 33Hz chips. DNA12 and DNA20, however, use (I believe) 800Hz which makes PWM not noticeable when vaping, similar to Provari.

Incidentally, Bogger Box does make a DNA20 driven bottom feeder (which is, I think, what you have). And they're gorgeous looking. Once my kids grow out of the "destroy daddy's stuff" age, I think I'll give one a go.

My VV from Bogger puts out rock solid voltage, the way I know is that my Tankometer reads it . If the PWM filtering is bad the Tankometer will not read the atomizer correctly.

I have a Dna20d on order from BoggerBox. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, the reason why I purchased the DNA20D is that I saw a Video from P Busardo where he tested a DNA20D Opus. He tried it with Sub Ohm Coils and at 20W setting it boosted the voltage to 3.8 which was higher than his true mechanical Mod and at 7 Watts it pushed out a 3.2V.

So I'm hoping that with a DNA20D I'll get the best of both worlds!

 

[niczgreat]

VV bottom feeding may be preferable to some people. Somehow I can't taste very noticeable difference when the battery discharges in a mech. Or at least it doesn't bother me. So, at that point, adding VV for me would only mean larger size and less battery (VV circuit eats some)..

I notice huge difference when the battery discharges on a Mech. The only way to avoid it is to have lot's of batteries and keep changing them out. But than again I'm in Sub Ohm Territory.

 

[Commie]

Oh, no, the usual 33Hz PWM is not specifically bad. It just creates an audible rattle in some atomizers as they heat up and cool off very fast. Probably not noticeable with 27gauge kanthal though.

DNA doesn't have that problem, and most people don't really consider it a problem.

 

[wabbit]

I love my vv Reo!

 

[Commie]

I love my vv Reo!

That's the beauty of the state of vaping these days. You love your VV, I love my mech Reo, Tom swears by VV Bogger Box. Everybody happy