Need help picking the best battery for Sub Ohm Vaping

[icyice]

I need help deciding which is the best(safest) 18650 battery for Sub Ohm vaping

Before you lecture me, I do understand the safety and precautions needed to Sub Ohm Vape. I understand that I need batteries with a high max continuous discharge rate for Sub Ohms.

My question then is, which is the best battery? And best for the price?

Is it the all mighty standard notch top AW's? Efest? Pannys? I've even heard of the Sanyo's being quite nice? Or maybe the MNKE's?

Please offer your experience for the best battery for Sub Ohm vaping,


Thanks.

 

[pdib]

MNKE and AW 1600mAh (NOT 2000mAh). These are the best because they have low internal resistance (because there is less packed into them). They boast 20amp and 24amp max. continuous discharge ratings and last plenty long (full day at work). They are both IMR.

read the reviews here . . ..

MNKE IMR18650 3.7v Li-MN Rechargable Battery - Avid Vaper

and see the comments here

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=jRsg_F5sC6QY0ItQKGE2Eg&bvm=bv.47883778,d.cGE

compare to others here (check only the 7amp box) . . .

Battery test-review 18650 comparator

Being IMR and being high-drain batts., they are very safe* as they don't even break a sweat on a .4Ω build. IMR is safer than protected.




*safe; conditional to user error/knowledge of application

 

[icyice]

MNKE and AW 1600mAh (NOT 2000mAh). These are the best because they have low internal resistance (because there is less packed into them). They boast 20amp and 24amp max. continuous discharge ratings and last plenty long (full day at work). They are both IMR.

read the reviews here . . ..

MNKE IMR18650 3.7v Li-MN Rechargable Battery - Avid Vaper

and see the comments here

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=jRsg_F5sC6QY0ItQKGE2Eg&bvm=bv.47883778,d.cGE

compare to others here (check only the 7amp box) . . .

Battery test-review 18650 comparator

Being IMR and being high-drain batts., they are very safe* as they don't even break a sweat on a .4Ω build. IMR is safer than protected.




*safe; conditional to user error/knowledge of application

Ahhhh, thank you thank you. Why exactly would the 1600 mah AW be better than the 2000 mah though? I am kind of confused by that

 

[st0nedpenguin]

The 2000mah is only rated for a 10a output.

 

[Endor]

Use Ohms Law to figure out amp draw. A battery at 4 volts would need to drive a 0.4 ohm coil to hit 10 amps draw. Most of your battery life is spent around 3.7v.

Ive been using a AW 2000mah and a Panasonic 18650ch 2200mah driving a 0.7 ohm coil with no issues for months now. The batteries don't even get warm. I feel like the Pannys do hold power longer and stronger than the AWs.

 

[CWayne121]

For luxury, go with AW IMR to give a larger margin of error - but some would say it is like shooting a mosquito with a cannonball if you aren't going super super low ohm. Great battery, ample endurance, and outstanding build quality.

For best value, go Panny 18650ch - great battery with ample discharge rate for most common sub ohm setups. Very good endurance and quality.

Don't have any experience with the Sanyo - could be better or worse than those listed. EFest is a good alternative for the AWs at a little bit of a discounted price, but quality isn't as spot on as AWs.

So it really depends on how low you are planning to go ohm wise. Leave yourself about 20% error on the continuous discharge rate to be safe. I have read if you plan to go lower than .5 ohms, invest in the 20 amp batteries. If you are planning to stay in the .7ish +/- .2, go with the value.

Just my 2 cents, others will cheerlead different priorities.

 

[pdib]

One thing: you don't need "endurance". You will be swapping out at about 3.8V (watch only the "beginning" of the charts).

Two thing: Non scientific explanation. Lower mAh means they've crammed less kraike in there. That means less "friction"/resistance. It is evidenced in practice, and in the discharge ratings. (Higher discharge rating because it can pump it out faster cause there's more elbow room in there.) (really )

 

[dwcraig1]

I'm going to give these a try, I've been using the Panasonic 2250's for a while now, if these work as well or better I'll be satisfied. Re-branded Panasonics. I like the added wrapper but had no problems with the "skin" on the Panny's

 

[BuzzKilla]

Now... is that 10 amp burst, or 10 amp continuous?
answering these questions are what determine the safety, when considering sub ohm vaping.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

I'm still liking the Samsung INR18650-20R, 20a rated for ~$7.

 

[pdib]

I'm still liking the Samsung INR18650-20R, 20a rated for ~$7.

I'm still asking, what's the chemistry there?

 

[pdib]

Now... is that 10 amp burst, or 10 amp continuous?
answering these questions are what determine the safety, when considering sub ohm vaping.

True, yes. Orbitronics are 10amp cont., 18 burst. MNKE 20cont, 60 burst, AW1600mAh 24 is the continuous (don't know the burst).

 

[pdib]

I'm going to give these a try, I've been using the Panasonic 2250's for a while now, if these work as well or better I'll be satisfied. Re-branded Panasonics. I like the added wrapper but had no problems with the "skin" on the Panny's

These seem GREAT for VV/regulated vaping. They last a long time. However, they under-perform the AWs (Even the 2000mAH!) on the SLR platform (4.1-3.8 volt range)

 

[jasl90]

Taking the fact that the use of high drain batteries is a given, the only legit way of knowing what battery is best for you is to find test results that have been performed at various discharge rates.

Since different batteries perform differently with different amp draws, look for the battery with the flattest discharge curve and longest run time before dipping below 3.5 volts... at the amperage you are most likely to use.

This is my favorite site for viewing test results... I tend to look at the 2,3,& 5 amp test lines...
Battery test-review 18650 comparator
I just wish it had results for MNKE and a few others.

Dave (Super-T) has also posted some really good battery test results. In fact I just sent him a Samsung INR18650-20R and a Sony US18650VTC3 so that give them the Pepsi Challenge and compare them to the AW 1600 & MNKE 1400...

 

[pdib]

Jasl, where can I find Dave's test results?

 

[jasl90]

Gotta dig through the Super-T sub forum. There isn't (that I know of) a single thread that he's to to compile all of them.
Would be cool if he'd add it to his website.

 

[icyice]

True, yes. Orbitronics are 10amp cont., 18 burst. MNKE 20cont, 60 burst, AW1600mAh 24 is the continuous (don't know the burst).

I'm so confused,

As far as sub ohm vaping goes, wouldn't that mean I should strictly go for MNKE 18650's then? Seeing as how it's continuous/burst discharge rate is far superior than AW's Efest's Obritronic's etc..??

 

[CWayne121]

Completely depends on how low 'sub' you are planning to go. Those are only 'necessary' with super low ohm builds, but they are nice to have no matter your build. Other batteries discussed in this thread are cheaper and provide great results for the most popular sub ohm builds. It boils down to "best of the best" vs value, and which is more important to you. No matter what, get 10A continuous and above though.

 

[EDO]

I'm still liking the Samsung INR18650-20R, 20a rated for ~$7.

This.......

 

[pdib]

I don't know what resistance I'll be building in 6 months (which is the min. life of these better batteries). I do know that a price difference of $5 over 6 months is 2.7 cents a day.