Need help replacing analog cigarettes...

[pslr2301]

Hey all!

Here is my background... I smoke 3 packs of camel crush bolds a day Always crushed to get menthol. About six months ago I went to a shop in Katy Tx and asked for help picking an ecig alternative that would take the place of cigarettes. I specifically asked for variable something because I knew I might not be impressed with whatever I was sold. They allowed me to try their branded item and it was alright enough for me to buy. $100. I have not even used a tank worth of juice. The flavor is great! "Hells frozen over" (cinnamon & peppermint). But I *NEED* more vapor and throat hit to be able to switch. Obviously I am spending quite a bit on cigarettes ($500+ a month) and if I can switch over entirely then I can justify pumping a little more into a purchase. But after a week of non stop research... I am in the same place I started. For the most part anyway. It appears that I would be better off with a sub ohm system? I really do not like the shape of a box. I'd prefer the cylinder type battery thing. (Haha! See? Not even entirely sure of the name. Ugh! just too many options. ) However, if a box works best for my needs then so be it. I have seen a million reviews point I to the Provari but that doesn't sub ohm. I do not have the desire to manually build a machine myself thought screwing together parts is expected. Duh. So basically I am looking for the right combination of parts to fit together to give me a good throat hit and sufficient amount of vapor to drop these cancer sticks. I chain smoke them when possible. My fingers are almost brown at times... generally yellow stained. I need one good solid set up. One purchase. I have zero income right now. (Just finished my degree and looking for a good job.) I can't have a plethora of products to choose from. I also need the complete list of parts I will need to make this happen. What I have now I two pieces. A battery and refillable liquid holder. I realized that the more advanced machines come a little more broken down. Now, I realize also your first thought is that I am too new and have no idea of any of this so start with something easy and work your way up. But again, I can't afford trial and error financially. I really, truly need, if at all possible, to be directed to one end solution that will carry me through. Have no fear... whatever I end up getting, I will know everything about before I even touch it. Thanks for reading and any responses you may have.

Needs: replacement for three pack a day habit. Solid throat hit. (I smoke bold menthol) Sufficient vapor to fill lungs. (My biggest part of the addiction). Can be as advanced as needed. Will hope to grow and stick with this product for at least a year. Price... I am prepared to spend more as I am replacing a $500+ habit with a different one. But no sense in going wild. I am using tax return on this one purchase.

Thanks again!
Pam

 

[DampMop]

Hi,

If you're looking for a tube rather than a box, the Joyetech Ego ONE subohms, as does The Aspire CF SUBΩ Battery (need a sub-ohm tank for this one though as I haven't seen any starter kits). No variable voltage/wattage on these, but you can control the airflow depending on your chosen tank. I'm sure someone more experience will chime in with other suggestions.

I'm also quite new, and seeing as this sounds like you need to get it right, best wait for other thoughts.

In the mean time however, the main reason I really wanted to reply here is to ask if you've considered the juice you're using? You didn't mention what setup you currently have, but maybe it's not the setup that's the issue.

Juice-wise, if you need more throat hit, try a higher PG liquid. If you need more vapour, try a higher VG liquid. A higher nic content in the juice tends to give a harsher throat hit also imo, though not as much difference as controlling your PG/VG content. It might be prudent to find a vape shop where you can test juices in your own gear so that you can find the right concoction for you - that way you can confirm whether it is indeed the juice you need to modify to suit your needs saving lots of money and headaches in the process.

 

[pistolpete]

You can do it Pam Just get your self some 24mg and 18mg juice with kanger sub tank mini a Sigelei 30w box mod and vape away..!!

 

[pslr2301]

Thanks for your response. I will try to get the specs on what I have and add in tomorrow. As I said, this was their branded item. They didn't offer me ingredients of liquid just flavor options. I should have shopped around. But I was so excited to potentially quit and the sales lady really seemed like she wanted to help... I trusted that she had my goal in mind. I knew I wanted variable but let it go on her recommendation. I suggested sub ohm here just cause that's what seemed to be a viable solution. Not knowing enough about any of this really is frustrating. Sub ohm may not be what I need. Anyway, will update with as much detail about current mess as I can. Thanks again!

 

[pistolpete]

Just don't smoke The Junk I used to play with when I quit smoking was a joke so you can do it..!!

 

[Painfully Broken]

I would recommend the istick 50w and a kanger subtank mini. It is very user friendly. Technically, the istick is a box mod type battery, but it is small and powerful! Has rounded edges and fits in your hand very comfortably! The kanger subtank mini is very versatile as well. You can use replaceable coils 0.5 sub ohm or 1.2 regular. Or if you want to get into building your own it comes with a rebuild able coil. It is a great set up. I use it myself. Like was mentioned before for a stronger throat hit upping the pg in your juice will help.

I hope this was helpful! Good Luck!

 

[inspects]

I would recommend the istick 50w and a kanger subtank mini. It is very user friendly. Technically, the istick is a box mod type battery, but it is small and powerful! Has rounded edges and fits in your hand very comfortably! The kanger subtank mini is very versatile as well. You can use replaceable coils 0.5 sub ohm or 1.2 regular. Or if you want to get into building your own it comes with a rebuild able coil. It is a great set up. I use it myself. Like was mentioned before for a stronger throat hit upping the pg in your juice will help.

I hope this was helpful! Good Luck!

I agree......

30-50 watt iStick and Kanger sub tank is a good combination....there are all kinds of great juices available, I prefer Nicoticket products.

 

[UncleMike]

I'd say your most important thing right now is finding what mg nicotine in your eliquid will keep you from craving cigarettes. You mentioned that you smoked 3 packs a day so that tells me you'd need fairly high nic content in your juice, probably at least 24-36mg/ml. Once you are happy with the nic content with no cravings to go back to cigs then you could always upgrade your equipment at a later time when you find it more affordable. High nic content and high PG juices will give you that throat hit your looking for. Keep up the good work and before you know it you'll be happy you decided to get off those nasty cigs

 

[LittleBird]

Hi, Pam. What nic level are you vaping? It's really important to start at a high enough nic level to satisfy those cravings. As a 3 PAD smoker, you're probably going to want 24mg. As well, understand that smoking is the fastest way to get nic to your brain. Consequently, you will have to vape for a longer period of time to get an equivalent amount of nic. If it takes 5 min to smoke a cig, allow 10 min to vape. RolyGate has a great post on this, here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9-inhalation-technique-ecig-vs-cigarette.html

Sub ohm'ing doesn't necessarily produce greater throat hit (TH). It does produce more vapor. Before you jump head long down that path (which I'm not knocking. Lots of us sub ohm), think about what you're after. I'm a flavor vapor, and usually vape at 14 watts with a 1.2 ohm coil. I use the ProVari P3 with a Subtank mini, much of the time. FYI, the P3 can handle ohms as low as .7, and wattage as high as 20. It is a very safe and reliable mod - but it won't do a .5 ohm coil. With a 1.2 ohm OCC (the stock coil), I can kick up the wattage and get a lot of vapor. Again, I'm not knocking other setups; we all have our preferences

As someone pointed out, higher PG results in greater TH. As well, some juice vendors just seem to make juice with more TH. You may want to try some other juices to see if that helps. I find that Ahlusion juices have more TH, and you can up the mint (menthol) to your liking. YMMV.

You can do this! Best of luck to you. Ask more questions, as you need/want to.

 

[pslr2301]

Ok I have tried to get you guys some info on what I do have. Again, the product is not bad nor am I knocking the company at all. They were great to work with. My only complaint with the company is that she didn't delve deep enough into what my end goal was. But to be fair, they were very busy and I had 7 kids with me all (sitting out of the way and mostly quiet) I also understand that she probably wanted to let me go easy at first and then change up to a better machine later if I wanted. The nicotine level I have is 18mg. I am a horribly unhealthy smoker. I keep every hit in my lungs a few seconds. Guess it's a holdover from my weed days. So the 18mg didn't cause too much of a waaa waaa rush. LOL! I can not figure out the specs on what I have; neither on the liquid nor machine. I have looked for a while this morning.

The best I can do is thevaporbarstore.com/vivo-starter-kit/ and thevaporbarstore.com/hell-frozen-over-mint-cinnamon-flavor-e-liquid/ *Edit* The clearomizer or whatever is just a gas station buy.

Again... NOT advertising nor am I complaining about them at all. Product works fine and would be great for someone else. Just not me. I appreciate all of your responses and am now going to go look into what you have posted.

Quick question: Those of you that suggested "30-50 watt iStick and Kanger sub tank"... would you suggest the "ProVari P3 with a Subtank mini" if cost wasn't an issue? And LittleBird... vice versa, could you say that the other choice was comparable in some way? Why do you guys suggest the mini tank vs. full size / nano / plus size? Is there a difference or just easier to be discreet with a reasonable amount of juice.

Please be patient with me. I truly appreciate all of the time and effort you guys have spent on me. I know I can be a PITA but you are my life savers right now. If my lungs look like the plastic bottle I have been putting my cigarettes in the last few days... *sigh*

 

[defdock]

id suggest an "ego one" battery and possibly a kanger subtank with both the 1.2 coils and .5 coils just to be absolute certain.

 

[DampMop]

Ok I have tried to get you guys some info on what I do have. Again, the product is not bad nor am I knocking the company at all. They were great to work with. My only complaint with the company is that she didn't delve deep enough into what my end goal was. But to be fair, they were very busy and I had 7 kids with me all (sitting out of the way and mostly quiet) I also understand that she probably wanted to let me go easy at first and then change up to a better machine later if I wanted. The nicotine level I have is 18mg. I am a horribly unhealthy smoker. I keep every hit in my lungs a few seconds. Guess it's a holdover from my weed days. So the 18mg didn't cause too much of a waaa waaa rush. LOL! I can not figure out the specs on what I have; neither on the liquid nor machine. I have looked for a while this morning.

The best I can do is thevaporbarstore.com/vivo-starter-kit/ and thevaporbarstore.com/hell-frozen-over-mint-cinnamon-flavor-e-liquid/ *Edit* The clearomizer or whatever is just a gas station buy.

Again... NOT advertising nor am I complaining about them at all. Product works fine and would be great for someone else. Just not me. I appreciate all of your responses and am now going to go look into what you have posted.

Quick question: Those of you that suggested "30-50 watt iStick and Kanger sub tank"... would you suggest the "ProVari P3 with a Subtank mini" if cost wasn't an issue? And LittleBird... vice versa, could you say that the other choice was comparable in some way? Why do you guys suggest the mini tank vs. full size / nano / plus size? Is there a difference or just easier to be discreet with a reasonable amount of juice.

Please be patient with me. I truly appreciate all of the time and effort you guys have spent on me. I know I can be a PITA but you are my life savers right now. If my lungs look like the plastic bottle I have been putting my cigarettes in the last few days... *sigh*

Given the image that you posted, I think anything mentioned here so far is going to be quite the upgrade. Not that what you linked is terrible or anything, I see a lot seem to start with that kind of kit (myself included), but I think you paid for the sheer number of batteries in there more than anything. A single high quality piece is going to make a noticeable difference in the strength of your vape.

I think you're on the right track upgrading.

Best of luck.

-Edit forgot to add, re: the subtanks and your question, I don't believe the nano is rebuildable, but the larger mini that defdock linked is - not that you have to mind, you can just buy the premade coils, but the option is there if you want it later.

 

[pslr2301]

Given the image that you posted, I think anything mentioned here so far is going to be quite the upgrade. Not that what you linked is terrible or anything, I see a lot seem to start with that kind of kit (myself included), but I think you paid for the sheer number of batteries in there more than anything. A single high quality piece is going to make a noticeable difference in the strength of your vape.

I think you're on the right track upgrading.

Best of luck.

Completely agree. What I have is absolutely "nothing" in the real world. I liken it to a gas station disposable really. I also know that what I am asking for kind of skips some exploratory steps you guys have had to take. I should have to work my way up like you did. Once I have steady income I can play around with other choices and see what I just absolutely love out of a basket full of choices. Right now though I am stuck with one buy. I have to make it a good one. =(

 

[pslr2301]

A couple of you posted 50w boxes. If I went that route, would I be better off spending a little more and going the 100w / 150w /##w? Is there a big difference between the Sigelei / eLeaf / ipv3 that would cause someone to choose one over the other regardless of brand loyalty? **Edit: my understanding is the eLeaf cannot change out battery but the other can. Wouldn't that be better as I could buy a battery and not the entire box if needed. I fear that the magnets on the Sigelei could cause problems if they lose strength, in poicket with credit card, etc. The safety (user error) of the Provari and box suggestions... are they comparable?

 

[Painfully Broken]

Just my somewhat uneducated opinion... I own a provari. I use it with my nautilus and nautilus mini tanks. I purchased the istick 50w and kanger subtank mini a few weeks ago. Don't get me wrong, i still love my provari... It was my first "real" vape equipment. I am over the moon with my istick kanger combo! I have barely touched my provari since it was purchased. I was always hesitant to move into the world of box mods due to them being so big and bulky, but the istick feels so great in my hand I don't even feel like it's a box. The dimensions of the istick are approx 83x45x23 mm. With the rounded corners feels much smaller to me. The Sigelei 100w dimensions are approx 96x52x23 mm and it is very square.

I know I am only speaking to size and comfort, not performance, but those are also very important features to me. If it's too big and bulky I won't cart it with me everywhere I go and back on the cigs I go!

Whatever decision you make I hope you are as over the moon happy with it as I am with my recent purchase. And good luck quitting the cigs! It's really tough for me at times... Still a process.

 

[pslr2301]

Thank you PainfullyBroken. Size, shape, ability to conceal are all the reasons I was put off by a box in the first place. With so many options out there, it was hard for me to narrow it down. My understanding is that a box is probably best for me because I can try the sub ohm to see if I prefer that or just stick with not subbing. It will also allow me to progress further if I pick this up as a hobby. For the price... Provari vs box + options... it appears the box will leave me financially able to try out more. I really wish I could have the specs of the istick or whatever brand but in a tube. I am roughly on things and I kind of envision myself snapping the tank off. :/ I know for a fact I will drop the silly thing as I drop my phone daily from at least three feet off the ground. (Thank you otterbox!) You guys have all given me some great suggestions and pointed me in a direction. I don't feel so lost about any of it now.

I still question the comparison of wattage of box (whether it may be better to just grab a higher watt now for the small price jump rather than a separate purchase full price later), which brand has the advantage if any and the juice. Going the kanger route... do I *have* to stay above a certain percentage ratio on juice? I want throat hit and vapor equally. (At least I think that way now.) So close to a 50/50 sounds like a good place to start. The boxes... if I buy two tanks now but ultimately break both due to my clumsiness... can I buy a crap replacement at a gas station to hold me overnight until a shop opens? Links to preferred online shops would be much appreciated. Mvs seems to be out of stock on the tank and many sites look legit but I've seen reviews and stories of people buying fakes out there. Thanks again all. You guys rock!!

 

[DampMop]

For juices, higher VG juices are thicker and some tanks have trouble wicking it. At 50/50 you won't have a problem. My understanding is things start to get hairy around 20/80 PG/VG and higher VG content. Seeing as you're a heavy smoker anyway, unless you have a PG intolerance (which I suspect you would have noticed by now with your current juice), you'll probably want the throat hit of some PG anyway, so no need to be concerned about that unless you were considering going very high VG.

As far as backups go, the kit your already bought with three batteries and what looks like two tanks should hold you over if you break something and need to reorder. I kept all my starter kit stuff for that very reason, along with testing flavours I might not like.

Can't comment on the sites you're looking at buying from though, wrong country.

I don't know enough to help with the differences between the 30W, 50W and 100W either. You could always try a thread in the APV discussion forum. I think you went beyond newbie getting started

 

[classwife]

moved this from Simple Solutions to New Members

 

[pslr2301]

LOL Yeah, apologies for so many questions. I was not sure where to post and honestly didn't even expect much of a response, if any. You guys are great. =)

 

[classwife]

no worries !

It's a pretty great Forum