Ok. (>.> Sorry again.) I mentioned that I am clumsy and it's probably better for me to buy two tanks in case. Should I also add in a couple of replacement heads for the kanger subtank mini? If so, the Replacement Coil-Atomizer Head for Kanger Subtank OCC Is the correct head for this particular tank right? Not knowing if I want to sub or not and the cost so low, I might as well get both ohms. If I can keep from destroying the tank then the head and liquid are the only maintenance bits I'd need right?
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Here is my take on your situation. When I quit smoking 2-1/2 months ago and started vaping exclusively, I started with 24 mg juice and this easily helped me curb all cravings for cigarettes (I was a pack a day smoker) and I was vaping not that much, about 3 ml a day. I found that the first couple of weeks, when I would vape heavily, I definitely noticed that I was beginning to overdo the nicotine. Being that you're coming from 3 packs a day, it sounds like vaping heavily at 24 mg would be just about right for you. Currently, I have dropped my nicotine content by mixing the 24 mg juice with a 6 mg juice at a 50/50 ratio, so that gets me around 15 mg. With the lower nicotine content, I find I am vaping a bit more, so now I am going through around 4-4.5 ml a day. All of the juice that I have ordered are 50/50 PG to VG ratio, except for the Halo Subzero menthol juice that I am using (Halo's ratio is proprietary so they never say what that ratio is).
I too started with the eGo style batteries and just a week and a half ago upgraded to the iStick 50W and the Subtank Mini. I also thought that I would never get into a box mod being put off by the size, but upon actually seeing the iStick in the store and holding it in my hand it wasn't as big as I thought it would be. And the fact that the battery capacity is HUGE helps as well. My eGo style batteries were 650 mAh batteries and they were good enough to last me one day. I had two batteries in my starter kit and I would simply swap them out every morning and throw the other one on the charger. With the 4400 mAh capacity of the iStick 50W, I can go days without recharging. I last charged it on Thursday afternoon and after 3 days of use, the battery gauge shows more than half remaining.
As for the Subtank, Subtank Plus, Subtank Mini and Subtank Nano, the only real difference is size. The Subtank is being replaced by the Subtank Plus and the others get smaller in size. The larger the size, the less often you need to refill it. I've kinda stopped using the Subtank Mini since it vapes a bit on the warm side and I prefer a cooler vape, so I am using some other tanks (Protank 3) running coils with slightly higher resistance. With the sub-ohm tanks, the understanding is that you can go with a lower nicotine content since it produces more vapor so it delivers more nicotine.
I still have, and still use the eGo style batteries. When I am out and about, and want something a bit smaller that is a little less conspicuous, they work great. When you place your order for a tank, whatever you end up deciding on, order some replacement coils as well. Depending on how much you vape, the type of juice you vape, etc. the coil can last you anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. If you don't find yourself comfortable in rebuilding your own coils, you will need a replacement coil.
If the iStick 50W is still a bit too big for you, you can always drop down in size to the iStick 30W. It is the same thickness and height, but about half the width, since it goes down in capacity from 4400 mAH to 2200 mAH.
Here is my take on your situation. When I quit smoking 2-1/2 months ago and started vaping exclusively, I started with 24 mg juice and this easily helped me curb all cravings for cigarettes (I was a pack a day smoker) and I was vaping not that much, about 3 ml a day. I found that the first couple of weeks, when I would vape heavily, I definitely noticed that I was beginning to overdo the nicotine. Being that you're coming from 3 packs a day, it sounds like vaping heavily at 24 mg would be just about right for you. Currently, I have dropped my nicotine content by mixing the 24 mg juice with a 6 mg juice at a 50/50 ratio, so that gets me around 15 mg. With the lower nicotine content, I find I am vaping a bit more, so now I am going through around 4-4.5 ml a day. All of the juice that I have ordered are 50/50 PG to VG ratio, except for the Halo Subzero menthol juice that I am using (Halo's ratio is proprietary so they never say what that ratio is).
I too started with the eGo style batteries and just a week and a half ago upgraded to the iStick 50W and the Subtank Mini. I also thought that I would never get into a box mod being put off by the size, but upon actually seeing the iStick in the store and holding it in my hand it wasn't as big as I thought it would be. And the fact that the battery capacity is HUGE helps as well. My eGo style batteries were 650 mAh batteries and they were good enough to last me one day. I had two batteries in my starter kit and I would simply swap them out every morning and throw the other one on the charger. With the 4400 mAh capacity of the iStick 50W, I can go days without recharging. I last charged it on Thursday afternoon and after 3 days of use, the battery gauge shows more than half remaining.
As for the Subtank, Subtank Plus, Subtank Mini and Subtank Nano, the only real difference is size. The Subtank is being replaced by the Subtank Plus and the others get smaller in size. The larger the size, the less often you need to refill it. I've kinda stopped using the Subtank Mini since it vapes a bit on the warm side and I prefer a cooler vape, so I am using some other tanks (Protank 3) running coils with slightly higher resistance. With the sub-ohm tanks, the understanding is that you can go with a lower nicotine content since it produces more vapor so it delivers more nicotine.
I still have, and still use the eGo style batteries. When I am out and about, and want something a bit smaller that is a little less conspicuous, they work great. When you place your order for a tank, whatever you end up deciding on, order some replacement coils as well. Depending on how much you vape, the type of juice you vape, etc. the coil can last you anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. If you don't find yourself comfortable in rebuilding your own coils, you will need a replacement coil.
If the iStick 50W is still a bit too big for you, you can always drop down in size to the iStick 30W. It is the same thickness and height, but about half the width, since it goes down in capacity from 4400 mAH to 2200 mAH.
The Subtank does come with an extra glass tank as well, just in case you break the original one. When I got mine, I got two packages of the 1.2 ohm coils (they come 5 in a package) since I didn't expect to ever use the subohm coil.
Awesome! Thank you jseah. Great info. I see that the plus is pre order and not out yet. I am trying to figure out when it is expected but if not terribly long, do you suggest I hold off a bit until it is released and grab that? It seems to offer the benefits of the Subtank but more options should I decide to play around with it later. Your suggestion on the size mini is that it may run a bit warmer if I use heavily so a larger tank may be more friendly? Thanks!
Not necessarily. The difference between the Plus and the Mini is that the Plus holds 4 ml of juice and the Mini holds 3ml. They use identical coils so they will vape warm whichever one you use. In my opinion, the Subtank is an airy tank, so it has a very loose draw which does take a little getting used to if you are used to taking a drag on a cigarette. When smoking a cigarette, you tend to take a hard, quick draw. With vaping, you draw slower and easier.
Attached is a picture I took of the iStick 50W (I have the Protank 3 on it, which is a 2.5 ml tank) with the Subtank Mini next to it, and a Bic lighter so you can get a better feel for the actual size.
I have read where the airy tanks like the Subtank is more suited for direct to lung vaping, which tighter tanks are suited for mouth to lung vaping, which is similar to smoking, where you inhale to your mouth first and then inhale it into your lungs before exhaling it.
Ok. So that was my problem with the first mess I bought in a kit. The sticks kind of like Blu. Felt like it was too easy and I got too much air. Actually held my finger over the air holes so I would get a more substantial feel. Otherwise it was like sucking on a straw and not satisfying at all. This same feeling may come with the subtank? A protank (on mobile I forget brand) will keep this feeling from being an issue?
Everything everyone has said is good info but with your smoking habit i would suggest something similiair but with more power and more vapor. I have been using kanger sub tanks since they came out and loved them but then i purchased the herakles and this tank is amazing the flavor and vapor production are amazing. It fires at higher watts so you would need more power and for that i would recommend the ipv mini 2 goes to 70 watts. I believe this set up would be ideal for your situation. I will provide a link to where i/got mine now i have no affiliation and if you find it cheaper somewhere else by all means get it there, this was just the best prices i found when searching.. Good luck
https://www.vaporrange.com/Pioneer4You-IPV-Mini-2-70W-Variable-Box-Mod-p/ipv-mini2.htm
https://www.vaporrange.com/Sense-Herakles-Sub-Ohm-Coil-Tank-p/sense-herakles.htm
https://www.vaporrange.com/Pioneer4You-IPV-Mini-2-70W-Variable-Box-Mod-p/ipv-mini2.htm
https://www.vaporrange.com/Sense-Herakles-Sub-Ohm-Coil-Tank-p/sense-herakles.htm
Lots of good advice here. Two things I will reiterate: The Subtank will require you to lung hit. Instead of sucking vapor into your mouth and then inhaling it like most folks do with a cigarette, in two steps, you may have to modify your draw to do a direct lung inhale. A direct lung inhale is very much like taking a deep breath through a straw - that's the best way I can think to describe it. I have found that I get a better nic buzz doing lung hits vs mouth-to-lung so the Subtanks seem to work very well for me.
And someone mentioned Halo liquid. All of the Halo juice that I tried hit my throat very hard, so that may work well for you.
And someone mentioned Halo liquid. All of the Halo juice that I tried hit my throat very hard, so that may work well for you.
Full size subtank (25mm) in RBA mode is too tight for lung inhale. Im really disappointed for that. 
While mini and nano are satisfying for both mouth-lung & lung inhale. I use 2 mini now, filled with different juice each.
(After more than 35 years, I quit smoke 3 packs daily since 4 months ago, day 2 with pv.)
While mini and nano are satisfying for both mouth-lung & lung inhale. I use 2 mini now, filled with different juice each.
(After more than 35 years, I quit smoke 3 packs daily since 4 months ago, day 2 with pv.)
I think it really comes down to personal preference. Since the lower end tanks like the Protank 3 are fairly cheap, I would suggest getting one and trying it. The first e-cigs I've tried was the blu's as well. Hated them because I felt that drawing on them felt like trying to drink a milkshake through a straw. You would suck and suck and wouldn't feel anything. When I first quit in January, I used the blu Plus+ tanks and they were much better. The draw was easier and because it produced a lot of vapor and gave a good throat hit, it felt like smoking a cigarette to me. I was smoking Marlbor Methol Silvers, so I was already use to an easier draw since they make them "lighter" by punching small holes into the filter so you are drawing some air in along with the smoke.
Here are the tanks that I have and tried:
Kanger T4 cartomizers (these are really small tanks that hold less than 1 ml of liquid, greater for testing/tasting different flavor juices)
Kanger Protank 2 Mini, Protank 3 (the difference between these two is that the 2 mini has a single bottom coil, the 3 has a double bottom coil, I like the draw on this not too tight, not too loose)
Kanger Geni (this uses the same double bottom coil as the 3, but it also has an air flow control which I find even at the tightest setting is still more airy than the 3)
Kanger Subtank Mini (even more airy than the Geni)
Some people prefer an airy draw as it makes it easier to do direct to lung hits.
With all these tanks, right now I have 8 different tanks loaded with 6 different flavor juices......and I still have something like 10 different flavor juices I haven't even tried yet.
I should also mention that with all of the tanks except for the Subtank Mini, I run them at very low wattages (I keep them below 9 watts), so they don't produce as much vapor as they could. This also helps since I tend to chain vape when I do vape (there is only about 5 or 10 seconds between each vape). This tends to heat up the juice and if I was running at higher power, there would be a greater chance to get a burnt hit. I think this is also why I am not very fond of the Subtank Mini since it does run at a higher power level.
Here are the tanks that I have and tried:
Kanger T4 cartomizers (these are really small tanks that hold less than 1 ml of liquid, greater for testing/tasting different flavor juices)
Kanger Protank 2 Mini, Protank 3 (the difference between these two is that the 2 mini has a single bottom coil, the 3 has a double bottom coil, I like the draw on this not too tight, not too loose)
Kanger Geni (this uses the same double bottom coil as the 3, but it also has an air flow control which I find even at the tightest setting is still more airy than the 3)
Kanger Subtank Mini (even more airy than the Geni)
Some people prefer an airy draw as it makes it easier to do direct to lung hits.
With all these tanks, right now I have 8 different tanks loaded with 6 different flavor juices......and I still have something like 10 different flavor juices I haven't even tried yet.
I should also mention that with all of the tanks except for the Subtank Mini, I run them at very low wattages (I keep them below 9 watts), so they don't produce as much vapor as they could. This also helps since I tend to chain vape when I do vape (there is only about 5 or 10 seconds between each vape). This tends to heat up the juice and if I was running at higher power, there would be a greater chance to get a burnt hit. I think this is also why I am not very fond of the Subtank Mini since it does run at a higher power level.
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look into the aspire Atlantis and a one of there sub ohm batterys, or a mini box mod that can get 20 to 30 watts, cloud chasing for me was the only way to quit, dripping on coils gets you alot more vapor and flavor, but alot of my friends have been using the Atlantis, just something to look at
Personally, I'd suggest trying out a few different tanks, as I've found there is no one-tank-fits-all solution. My Halo Torque56 works great in my Aspire Nautilus, but not so great in my Kanger Subtank. Other e-liquids work better in the Subtank. Also, having more than one tank and device is good because being able to switch flavors avoids flavor fatigue.
So what would I recommend? For non-sub-ohm, I think the Nautilus Mini is perfect and pairs very well with the iStick 30W. If you're looking at sub-ohm, the Aspire Atlantis, Joytech Delta II, or Kanger Subtank are all good choices. You can use the iStick 30W (or 50W) with these, but you also might want to take a look at the SX Mini M-class that is coming out now. It has all the features of the original SX Mini, but can also do temperature control. As to reviews of these products, I'd recommend watching some of Pete Busardo's videos on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/pbusardo/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0
So what would I recommend? For non-sub-ohm, I think the Nautilus Mini is perfect and pairs very well with the iStick 30W. If you're looking at sub-ohm, the Aspire Atlantis, Joytech Delta II, or Kanger Subtank are all good choices. You can use the iStick 30W (or 50W) with these, but you also might want to take a look at the SX Mini M-class that is coming out now. It has all the features of the original SX Mini, but can also do temperature control. As to reviews of these products, I'd recommend watching some of Pete Busardo's videos on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/pbusardo/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0
All excellent suggestions. I draw to mouth and then hold in lungs quite a while. I pack my cigarettes and like a tighter draw. Your responses about the draw was something I had not even considered. I believe I am on the milkshake end of the straw vs air. I think I would find more satisfaction in the tougher pull.
I don't anticipate changing flavors much. I like the cinnamon mint mix. Just have to find it in a better quality ratio option. I have smoked menthol for three years so I imagine I won't get tired of the flavor quickly.
I don't anticipate changing flavors much. I like the cinnamon mint mix. Just have to find it in a better quality ratio option. I have smoked menthol for three years so I imagine I won't get tired of the flavor quickly.
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If you want a pull that tight, then I would suggest a tank with an air control where you can adjust the air flow. The issue with the Subtank is that the air control does have detents in it so your options is either 1 hole, 2 hole, or wide open. I am not sure about the Kanger Aero tank since I have never tried it, but the Kanger Geni tank has an air control, and there is no detents, so you can fine tune your adjustment. I just tried mine with the air control just open enough to expose the first air hole and that gives the milkshake like draw. And you will still be able to open it up more should you decide that you want it a bit looser. The Geni comes in Mini, regular, Mega and Giant sizes.
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You can Mouth to Lung a Subtank. It may take some getting use to, though. The Kanger Subtank has a 6ml capacity. The Mini is 4.5ml and the Nano is 3ml. On the one hole setting, you can always cover it a bit, or twist the airflow so that only part of the 1 hole is covered. You will get good vapor production from both the 1.2 and 0.5 ohm coils. I notice a better throat hit with the 0.5 ohm coils, but that's for you to experiment with. The iStick 50w is a nice setup. Good battery, and is small enough to fit in my hands - I have very small hands. Always used the small nitrile gloves at work. I didn't go with the iStick again - I went with a setup with replaceable batteries, but the iStick is a good device.
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Per the myvaporstore site, the Subtank Plus will be a 7ml capacity.
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*Edit to add*
Per the myvaporstore site, the Subtank Plus will be a 7ml capacity.
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Just one added comment, if your Cinnamon/Mint has much cinnamon in it you do want to be sure to use a glass tank. Polycarbonate tanks have problems with some liquids - cinnamon, citrus, and a few others - but you're always okay with glass. I learned this the hard way. I did get a glass protank to use with cinnamon, then spaced out one day and put the cinnamon into the polycarbonate.
Hi pslr2301 , You've gotten tons of suggestions! I haven't read all of them but wanted to get my 2 cents in. My ADV is Dekang Cool 24mg. It has a great menthol taste and a really good throat hit. I think the throat hit with the Cool is what made me quit cigs. Good Luck
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