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Cyrus Vap

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Interesting thread. I just got a hcigar Nemesis (with the dark brown box not from FT, although have one on order with FT) and earlier today was comparing to a real VW Nemesis. The hcigar clone (replica really) and the real are damn near identical. Vent hole on my clone is the same as the real Nemesis, see the pic I just took. There were only two differences I could detect:

1) The engraving is a bit deeper on the real Nemesis
2) The engraving at the bottom of the button is like shown a few posts back. The font is slightly different like above posts.

This mod really does hit like a beast and looks rad in 18350 mode. Incredible quality for the prices, I am quite amazed.

Out of the box after I did a thorough cleaning I did notice that the switch was a tad scratchy when not depressed dead center. The owner of the real Nemesis said his was like that also when new but will break in with use. About an hour ago I took a closer look at the switch and noticed that where the brass base contacts the SS center post on the button was not smooth, it was a tad rough with machining lines. I took 600 grit wet/dry sand paper and spent a few mins polishing the machining grooves. Started with the sandpaper dry and then wet. Then hand polished with Mothers polish the post area for a minute or so. Cleaned it all up and installed the switch. Low and behold the switch is now silky smooth!

great find chris, I'll open my button up again later and check it out. Do you mean inner surface of the brass that surrounds the stainless pole?

I should have also noted that my switch (inner base) looked hella dirty, so this unit is going to need a bath for sure, just haven't had time yet.

When others start getting the fast tech version in I'll be curious to know if their locking ring/locking threads are rough as hell. I have #1767

EDIT: Meant to ask about venting. Seems the vent holes under the locking ring are well...covered, unless the locking ring is locked. Does that mean these mods don't vent appropriately? I'm sure I'm missing obvious, sorry my brain is cooked at the moment :blink:

EDIT II: Sorry just noticed if you don't unscrew it too far you can still fire and have the holes exposed :)
 
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My fasttech version received today threading is fantastic. The switch rubs a bit but I'm sure I can sort that :)

Love it



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My fasttech version received today threading is fantastic. The switch rubs a bit but I'm sure I can sort that :)

Love it



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so your chemesis from fasttech came in a little black box w/ the words mod on it? and just to confirm the chemesis from fasttech are not made by hcigar?
 

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Yes came in the black box same as the chi from hcigar I definitely think its hcigar with the silver pins etc the build quality is excellent great threads no dings or blemishes and hits hard. With the gift box that some vendors are getting I think fasttech don't get them and that's part of the reason fasttech does them way cheaper saves on the postage etc.

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right or wrong i think this is going to discourage builders from investing the time and money on going into business with an original product.
Unless he plans on marketing a Chinese import him/herself there is no way they can compete with cheap labor.

FWIW, I think we have reached a plateau with mech devices now. What more can be done in that field?

yeah, it must be sooo discouraging... how come there is a ton of mods and more coming out everyday? who exactly is getting discouraged? show me the posts where someone says " I was going to design a mod and market it but now i'm not."
 

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great find chris, I'll open my button up again later and check it out. Do you mean inner surface of the brass that surrounds the stainless pole?

I should have also noted that my switch (inner base) looked hella dirty, so this unit is going to need a bath for sure, just haven't had time yet.

When others start getting the fast tech version in I'll be curious to know if their locking ring/locking threads are rough as hell. I have #1767

EDIT: Meant to ask about venting. Seems the vent holes under the locking ring are well...covered, unless the locking ring is locked. Does that mean these mods don't vent appropriately? I'm sure I'm missing obvious, sorry my brain is cooked at the moment :blink:

EDIT II: Sorry just noticed if you don't unscrew it too far you can still fire and have the holes exposed :)


vent holes under locking ring are only for use when locking ring is down when ring is up there are vent slots on button 4 of them, this is how my real nemesis is at least
 

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You know, I have to agree here. I have seen a plethora of posts and videos around the internet recently ranting about clones. To be honest, I don't think clones hurt the sales of original mods at all. The people buying clones probably wouldn't buy the originals anyway simply because of the cost. If the clones function exactly as the original and the build quality is the same, or very close, then let people buy them. I see people saying, "well I just wanted to try the clone first then buy the original if I liked it". This is quite absurd. High end mods wouldn't even be popular enough to clone if they weren't great to begin with. Price is the barrier to entry for many ecig users. Toyota can exist along side Lexus for a reason. There are those that can, and will, afford better things and will buy them for the prestige of it. I realize that both auto makers are under the same roof, so maybe mod makers should do the same thing. Make high end mods for those with the money to plop down on them, and make a another line of mods that are basically as good with small differences and charge lower prices for them. Most Toyota's are half the price of their Lexus counter-parts, yet Toyotas are the best selling cars in the US. Gotta be a reason.

Sure, there are purists in every segment, but to constantly whine and cry about clones is, quite frankly, old and seems forced. I keep seeing the argument of, "but when you buy clones you are hurting American vendors..."blah blah blah. Considering that most American vendors are simply selling upscale foreign mods, I don't see the problem. There are three local vendors in my area that sell "mods" in some shape or form. Even the stated clones are selling for ~$80. $80 for a Chi You clone from HCIgar? And I am to support that simply because they are local? Why is the ecig market somehow different from any other market where you can buy online and save money over local stores? I don't see people boycotting Amazon or Ebay or crying about how they are taking money from the local sellers of goods. "Where do you guys buy your Ekowool or Kanthal?" Then see tons of Ebay and Amazon links provided. Well, a local B&M store sells Kanthal @ $1 per foot. Yeah, I'm all over that.

Second, take a look at the majority of mods being cloned. The vast majority are not American. Most highly desirable mods are Filipino or European. I don't see that any American mod is that highly in demand in the first place. Just like the American auto industry, if we made better stuff in the first place, sales of foreign goods wouldn't be as high as they are.

Honestly, mod makers should take the whole clone thing in two ways. First, they should be flattered that someone warrants their devices worthy of cloning. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Second, they should take it as a wake up call. Charging several hundred bucks for a battery tube and $20 worth of materials may not be the best way to go about it. I realize that most manufacturers aren't huge operations, but several are still pumping out decent numbers of devices and generally have items in stock. Poldiac for example. Every time I check mmvapors, there is always at least one model in stock. I think some of these manufacturers realize that they have a great device and purposely underproduce them to drive up interest and perceived value. And that's fine, it's their device, but don't get .... hurt when the market sees an opportunity and jumps on it.

I wrote way more than I set out to.

TL;DR Quit crying about clones. If you don't want one, don't buy one. Your whining is not going to dissuade people from buying clones.
 

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the argument isn't about clones its about stealing logos and putting them on a clone, by amomixani no! by some crack head in china ! clone a device to make it affordable all for it , leave the logos off it , Im sure if you put Lexus on a Toyota there would be a huge uproar or would all thoughts people just be crying , no They would be ...... off !
 

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the argument isn't about clones its about stealing logos and putting them on a clone, by amomixani no! by some crack head in china ! clone a device to make it affordable all for it , leave the logos off it , Im sure if you put Lexus on a Toyota there would be a huge uproar or would all thoughts people just be crying , no They would be ...... off !

i see what youre saying, but i tend to think its more about the clone than the logo. i highly doubt anyone would care if you put a nemesis logo on a t-shirt. i get that they shouldnt be stealing logos. but the real deal should always be easy to tell from the fake. thats why it costs more, it should be 100% obvious that its better. once the logo becomes the only thing that distinguishes the clone from the real deal, youve got a problem with the genuine article. the genuine article needs to do things/ have things that the clone cant/doesnt if its gonna cost that much. JMO.
 

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This is a clone thread. >>GO HERE IF YOU HATE CLONE<< We don't go to your high end purist threads and shove our $30 metal tubes into your crevices. Please return the favor and do the same.

@Henbone11
Well written. I'd like to add that the Malaysians have a few cool looking mods also in the works. They look like any other bottom button tube mods, but something about them looks cool.

@EBhomepc
What do you mean the switch rubs abit? Also, how are the white delrin/POM drip tips? I'm abit worried that they might turn a creamish yellow color in the long run.

To those who have the Nemesis clones, does the button get loose like the Sentinel clones?
 

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You will have the Purist, who only buy original mods and would wait in line for it, then you have the collectors, who buy the real mod and a fake mod so they don't get sad when they look at the dent they put on the real one,then you have the open minded who has to budget his/her paycheck when they want a new mod, then you have the broke ... people, who can only afford the fake/counterfeit. Respect people budget and the availability of the original mod.

The originals/real will always be engineer better(higher consistency), clones will always be a hit or a miss because it is mass produce.
 

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You will have the Purist, who only buy original mods and would wait in line for it, then you have the collectors, who buy the real mod and a fake mod so they don't get sad when they look at the dent they put on the real one,then you have the open minded who has to budget his/her paycheck when they want a new mod, then you have the broke ... people, who can only afford the fake/counterfeit. Respect people budget and the availability of the original mod.

The originals/real will always be engineer better(higher consistency), clones will always be a hit or a miss because it is mass produce.

I was rolling on the floor when I seen this, but its true!!....lol
 

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This is a clone thread. >>GO HERE IF YOU HATE CLONE<< We don't go to your high end purist threads and shove our $30 metal tubes into your crevices. Please return the favor and do the same.

@Henbone11
Well written. I'd like to add that the Malaysians have a few cool looking mods also in the works. They look like any other bottom button tube mods, but something about them looks cool.

@EBhomepc
What do you mean the switch rubs abit? Also, how are the white delrin/POM drip tips? I'm abit worried that they might turn a creamish yellow color in the long run.

To those who have the Nemesis clones, does the button get loose like the Sentinel clones?

The button does not get loose. OK if you press the fire button not in the centre you can feel the button rubbing against something.

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Great thread for those of us looking at this mod. I personally don't have a problem with clones. I know it sucks for the mod maker but I agree with a few comments in this thread about clones.
-The original should be leaps and bounds better than the clone. If a Chinese factory can mass produce the same product and get this close to the original there is something wrong with the original. Could be price point, business model or the product itself.
-Why don't these mod makers protect themselves? I'm no lawyer but a patent or a lawsuit directed toward the clone sellers would be a start. Seems like irresponsible business practice to me. I know it sucks but this is the world we live in. You must protect yourselves.
-why don't these mod makers ramp up production? It costs money I know but at $150+ a mod selling out in 10 min why would you not? I can afford an original but I don't care to wait in line or stalk a site to get a product, just not my thing.
I'm buying a clone for a couple reasons. I vape cartos tanks. I like a mech mod with a kick2. I don't believe with this setup my vape would be any different with the real nemesis. Sure sub ohm, rda's and cloud chasing will be affected by metal conductivity and mod quality(although very slightly) but not a boge carto with a kick2. So I won't get a better vape by buying the original.
I don't "collect" mods although I have a couple. I just don't see where spending the extra money on the real thing will benefit me. I have other hobbies I can spend the money on. I do however fully understand hobbies and collecting. I collect pinball machines. I love them and want them all so I understand the guys who feel the same way about their mods but I personally do not. This is why I'm buying the clone. All the elitist and purist and clone lovers alike should realize this. People have different priorities, budgets and needs in their lives. I'm not doing something different than you because your wrong, I'm doing something different than you because my life is different. Surely your not offended that my life is different than yours?

Wow that turned out to be linger than I expected........
 
The button does not get loose. OK if you press the fire button not in the centre you can feel the button rubbing against something.

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Button is not great out of the box...as others have stated, polish the ss post and internal brass ( the threaded piece with insulator) ring that slides down post to a high shine to remove machined lines that make button stick. Also applied a tiny amount of noalox for lubrication. Works much better now! Anyone have luck with finding replacement magnets for the button?
 
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