never smoked an analog, but vaping is awesome!

[Civitasdei]

5. Gay discussion issues belong in other forums. This one is about e-cigs.

You may not care, but that statement was really offensive to me. If I want to mention my partner or say that I'm gay, i shouldn't be relegated to a damn forum. If she had mentioned that she had a husband or a boyfriend, you wouldn't have said anything. As soon as I mention my partner, for example, people ..... and complain. It's a fact of my life that I have a same-sex partner; If I'm speaking about my life, I should be able to mention that. How many times do I get this, "How was your weekend?" "Oh, I went to the zoo with my partner." "Oh gross, keep that .... to yourself. Why do you always have to rub that gay stuff in my face?" Crap like that makes my life miserable, and I get it every freak'n day of it.

 

[JerryRM]

This thread really got off the ground, quickly !!!

I would never, under any circumstances, encourage a non-smoker to take up smoking or vaping.

That being said, however it is the right of free people to make their own decisions, whether good or bad. I don't like the "nannies" telling me how to run my life and making laws and regulations to force me to do things their way.

 

[zadane]

This thread really got off the ground, quickly !!!

I would never, under any circumstances, encourage a non-smoker to take up smoking or vaping.

That being said, however it is the right of free people to make their own decisions, whether good or bad. I don't like the "nannies" telling me how to run my life and making laws and regulations to force me to do things their way.

so, if a person was adamant on smoking or vaping, and you were the last choice and which one you said made up their mind. (and you have to pick one) which one would you choose?

 

[JerryRM]

I wouldn't choose either one Zadane, not if my choice was going to decide for them. I just give my opinion, it's up to the person in question to make their own decision.

Sorry, but that situation is purely hypothetical and unrealistic.

 

[mohawkx]

You may not care, but that statement was really offensive to me. If I want to mention my partner or say that I'm gay, i shouldn't be relegated to a damn forum. If she had mentioned that she had a husband or a boyfriend, you wouldn't have said anything. As soon as I mention my partner, for example, people ..... and complain. It's a fact of my life that I have a same-sex partner; If I'm speaking about my life, I should be able to mention that. How many times do I get this, "How was your weekend?" "Oh, I went to the zoo with my partner." "Oh gross, keep that .... to yourself. Why do you always have to rub that gay stuff in my face?" Crap like that makes my life miserable, and I get it every freak'n day of it.

FYI: When I made that comment, I was reasonably sure I was responding to a very well written troll post. So did many others on this board. Once the OP clarified herself with more information and explained her situation fully, I apologized to her fully and publicly. She accepted my apology with grace and aplomb. My subsequent posts were supportive of her in all respects. Bet you didn't read any of that, now did you? You just homed in on the "Gay issue" Kinda proves my point, doesn't it?

When I made that statement I was summarizing all the issues she had brought the table with her first post, that being one of them and to this minute, I stll believe it has no bearing on the issues being discussed here. A good proof of that is that in 9 pages of posts not one person or herself has amplified on the gay issue whatsoever except you. Everyone Including myself has focused on her medical conditions and her desire to self medicate with nicotine. Nobody on this forum cares one way or the other what somebody's sexual orientation is, and that includes me. It has no bearing whatsoever on the uses and applications of e-cigarettes. Frankly IMO, you're trying to make something out of nothing and I really don't care one whit that you found my statement "Really offensive". Thicken your skin or grow a set.

 

[NCC]

To me it is safer than wellbutrin which can have numerous side effects.

Beautiful cat!

 

[SMKNOMOR]

I could care less. I'm so sick of basing my decisions on what other people think, or the nanny state telling me what is or isn't good for me.

What nanny state? Sounds like a fear mongerers talking point. You have been watching too much Fox news my friend.Think of how much more we know about how to keep ourselves healthy and look at the current life span of your citizens. You can thank your "nanny state" for that.

5. Gay discussion issues belong in other forums. This one is about e-cigs.

And you... whats the matter with you? talk about your backward thinking. maybe in your day it was ok to hate at will and put others unlike you down to make yourself feel all superior but this is 2011 and HATE DISCUSSION ISSUES DONT BELONG ANYWHERE. get with the program. You need to learn some respect. Our gay neighbors and fellow citizens should not have to be subjected to this bigoted disrespect just because of your delusions of superiority.

And to all Gay readers out there reading this schmucks post, just remember there are plenty of us strait people out there who dont feel the need to party like its 1950 in the deep south.

 

[stillalive]

You may not care, but that statement was really offensive to me. If I want to mention my partner or say that I'm gay, i shouldn't be relegated to a damn forum. If she had mentioned that she had a husband or a boyfriend, you wouldn't have said anything. As soon as I mention my partner, for example, people ..... and complain. It's a fact of my life that I have a same-sex partner; If I'm speaking about my life, I should be able to mention that. How many times do I get this, "How was your weekend?" "Oh, I went to the zoo with my partner." "Oh gross, keep that .... to yourself. Why do you always have to rub that gay stuff in my face?" Crap like that makes my life miserable, and I get it every freak'n day of it.

That is so darn true, haha! It's kind of weird to me how straight people always associate "gay" with "sex" or "agenda", lol. If I'm sitting just a little too close to my gf on the bus, people start asking us really weird, invasive questions about our sex life or accusing us of "flaunting our gayness". If one of us puts our arm around the other's shoulder after a hard doctor's appointment or similar, mothers stare at us in disgust and try to keep their kids from seeing the "pornographic display." I don't remember people even noticing me when I would make out in public with a (probably also gay) guy, much less telling us to think of the children! It's especially funny considering the whole lesbians-don't-have-much-sex stereotype... but no, if someone mentions they're gay, they're either being obscene or rubbing their gay agenda in everyone's faces, right? Does that mean that the teenagers who sit on each others laps are rubbing their straight agenda in everyone's faces?

I mentioned my cognitive and mental health problems way more than my girlfriend, but strangely no one told me not to mention those things outside of the proper forum. ah well! I'm grateful for Mohawkx's apology, and I'm sure no harm was intended. Not that intent is magical, but I guess I'm a bit more forgiving than the norm in that regard.

To get things back on topic (if there is a topic for this thread ), I'm so excited for my own e-cigs to get here! I just have one more article to write for work before I can reward myself with buying organic sample juice! Both should arrive on Thursday or Friday, I think-- just in time for me to finish my final projects with gusto. Hopefully this habit won't be too much more than my perfume obsession, which I'm currently trying to kick... apparently I'm obsessed with collecting nice-smelling things, but the problem is I almost never wear perfume despite buying a new indy perfume every few weeks. Considering that I would huff the perfume all day every day if it made me productive (or not, truthfully!), I guess vaping was a logical next step.

Okay, seriously, must get down to business and defeat this article...

 

[JerryRM]

Calm down people, remember the rules "attack the post, not the poster".

 

[stillalive]

And to all Gay readers out there reading this schmucks post, just remember there are plenty of us strait people out there who dont feel the need to party like its 1950 in the deep south.

It's okay to me, but thank you. I appreciate your concern. To be honest, the deep south is still a pretty scary place in 2011, though I'm not sure I'll ever leave for good. I'm used to the comments, unfortunately.

 

[Civitasdei]

Actually, ya, I did read the posts. You seemed to have missed my point which is clear and simple: There simply wasn't any reason to address her sexuality. It had nothing to do with vaping. Thanks for you empathy, though.

FYI: When I made that comment, I was reasonably sure I was responding to a very well written troll post. So did many others on this board. Once the OP clarified herself with more information and explained her situation fully, I apologized to her fully and publicly. She accepted my apology with grace and aplomb. My subsequent posts were supportive of her in all respects. Bet you didn't read any of that, now did you? You just homed in on the "Gay issue" Kinda proves my point, doesn't it?

When I made that statement I was summarizing all the issues she had brought the table with her first post, that being one of them and to this minute, I stll believe it has no bearing on the issues being discussed here. A good proof of that is that in 9 pages of posts not one person or herself has amplified on the gay issue whatsoever except you. Everyone Including myself has focused on her medical conditions and her desire to self medicate with nicotine. Nobody on this forum cares one way or the other what somebody's sexual orientation is, and that includes me. It has no bearing whatsoever on the uses and applications of e-cigarettes. Frankly IMO, you're trying to make something out of nothing and I really don't care one whit that you found my statement "Really offensive". Thicken your skin or grow a set.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

FYI: When I made that comment, I was reasonably sure I was responding to a very well written troll post. So did many others on this board. Once the OP clarified herself with more information and explained her situation fully, I apologized to her fully and publicly. She accepted my apology with grace and aplomb. My subsequent posts were supportive of her in all respects. Bet you didn't read any of that, now did you? You just homed in on the "Gay issue" Kinda proves my point, doesn't it?

When I made that statement I was summarizing all the issues she had brought the table with her first post, that being one of them and to this minute, I stll believe it has no bearing on the issues being discussed here. A good proof of that is that in 9 pages of posts not one person or herself has amplified on the gay issue whatsoever except you. Everyone Including myself has focused on her medical conditions and her desire to self medicate with nicotine. Nobody on this forum cares one way or the other what somebody's sexual orientation is, and that includes me. It has no bearing whatsoever on the uses and applications of e-cigarettes. Frankly IMO, you're trying to make something out of nothing and I really don't care one whit that you found my statement "Really offensive". Thicken your skin or grow a set.

He homed in as did I because it is an ignorant statement. you clearly used the term in a demeaning context as if to compare the topic to gay (giving you the benefit of the doubt knowing it was probably in reference to her sexuality)as if it was inferior. the only point you are proving is that you have no respect.

He should have a thicker skin? I suppose african americans should have a thicker skin when called the ...... and special needs people should have thicker skins when called the R word.
You are wrong sir. This is disrespectful. you may have the right but is doesn't make you right.

Grow a set? what is wrong with you?

You dont care because you dont feel like considering how you make others feel. You think your better.Thats all.

 

[stillalive]

Wow, this is a really riveting discussion about privilege and homophobia, but I'm sure we can all keep it civil, yes?

 

[SMKNOMOR]

It's okay to me, but thank you. I appreciate your concern. To be honest, the deep south is still a pretty scary place in 2011, though I'm not sure I'll ever leave for good. I'm used to the comments, unfortunately.

Thats disgusting that you should have to get used to being considered a second class citizen because of others ignorance.

 

[JerryRM]

If it isn't kept civil, some moderator is going to see it and close the thread. I have seen that happen too many times.

 

[stillalive]

Thats discussing that you should have to get used to being considered a second class citizen because of others ignorance.

That's completely true, and while minorities most definitely have every right to be outraged by the prejudice they face, I've personally found that people are more likely to change their mindset when I use logic and politeness. It's a lot harder for people to hate all those evil homos when a really nice lesbian just helped their lost child find them or returned their wallet to them, wad of hundreds untouched. Not that I'm above getting into arguments/debates with strangers on the internet when I'm having a bad day, but it's usually much less effective.

Considering I used to be a raging homophobe (part of why I dated a guy... it didn't work out), I just smile and laugh to myself when people say ignorant things. The more offensive someone is about gay people (and the comment being discussed here is pretty mild, I have to say!), the more likely it is that they're gay themselves and insecure about it.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

If it isn't kept civil, some moderator is going to see it and close the thread. I have seen that happen too many times.

Your right I apologize for my ferver but that post was disrespectful.

 

[cookiebun]

You may not care, but that statement was really offensive to me. If I want to mention my partner or say that I'm gay, i shouldn't be relegated to a damn forum. If she had mentioned that she had a husband or a boyfriend, you wouldn't have said anything. As soon as I mention my partner, for example, people ..... and complain. It's a fact of my life that I have a same-sex partner; If I'm speaking about my life, I should be able to mention that. How many times do I get this, "How was your weekend?" "Oh, I went to the zoo with my partner." "Oh gross, keep that .... to yourself. Why do you always have to rub that gay stuff in my face?" Crap like that makes my life miserable, and I get it every freak'n day of it.

Good point, really.
Your significant other is your significant other. It doesn't matter if they are the same or opposite gender.
People mention their spouses here all the time and no one complains.

 

[Civitasdei]

I'm not trying to flame Mohawkx, and I agree to be civil. If I have misspoke, I apologize. My first post was to make a specific point that what was said, in fact, offended me. I made the statement well knowing that Mohawkx probably wouldn't care. But, I don't feel that I've named-called or anything like that. And still, I wouldn't have felt right if I said nothing at all.

 

[UntamedRose]

OK thats enough....someones sexuality doesnt really have jack to do with this conversation and I'll warn ya right now "homophobia" really doesnt go over well here in general.
Keep it civil, and dont attack other members or go cool off until you can.