Why would someone send a beta test version that works like crap (as this one obviously does) if you're sending out a test unit, and hope for good reviews, you better send one that's well made and works well.
I say these are a FAIL! at this point.
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Why would someone send a beta test version that works like crap (as this one obviously does) if you're sending out a test unit, and hope for good reviews, you better send one that's well made and works well.
I say these are a FAIL! at this point.
If you put a lot of faith in One person who did a review on Beta Product then no, I don’t think you should buy them. Me, I like to hear a handful of reviews of on a Final Release product from Impartial members.
The CE3 may be good or it may be bad. Or it might be something in between.
They are starting to be sold by US retailers so I don’t think we have that long to wait.
Because Beta Products are Not meant to be review for public evaluation. They are sent out to Find the problems and then to fix them Before the final release.
Review to come in little bit everyone. Gonna eat dinner and I'll put the review together. I think I've given them a fair amount of time.
Ok take it easy on me, this is my first review! I am not affiliated with any company or business. Just a vaping consumer. I will not be comparing these to filler cartos as they are not. They are CE2 style cartomizers. The review is of course my opinion. Soooo here we go.......
I purchased these from my local brick and mortar for $15. They come in a pack of 5 in either 2.1-2.4ohm, 2.4-2.7ohm or 2.8-3.1ohm. The pack included 5 individually wrapped cartos, a pair of tweezers (for the fill plug, we'll talk more about this thing later), a plastic delrin style drip tip and a blunt tip metal filling needle.....
DESIGN:
This is a single coil, bottom atty, tank style unit, 510 connection. The tubes are the new injection molded, bulletproof polypropylene. No cracking or leaking...Yeaaa! It does have a wick that runs from the bottom approximately half way up the inside of the tank near the air tube (not sure if you can see it in the pic, sorry for quality and the fact I bought smokey black) It's in the foreground to the left of the tube...
FILLING: (the first kinda complaint!)
In order to fill these you have to take the cheap tweezers (use good tweezers) supplied and remove the small rubber plug in the fill hole...
Some advice...do not try to squeeze the hell out of this little plug while removing it or replacing it. It will turn into a microscopic pingpong ball and fly out of the tweezers never to be found. They do supply one extra plug in the kit, for obvious reasons.
Once the plug is out it's a normal syringe type fill. The hole is about twice the diameter of the needle, so it's not difficult...
Putting the fill plug back in is not so bad after some practice. Again, don't muscle it. Lightly guide it in and push it down. They hold approximately 1.2mls of juice. Both the supplied plastic drip tip and my metal drip fit perfectly.
EQUIPMENT:
The ohms of the cartos used was 2.4-2.6. I used my Provari (so I could test at different common voltages). The carto tested at 2.6ohms upon checking it with both the provari's built in meter and a stand alone volt meter. I vaped at 3.7v and 4.2v equally during the review. I picked these two volts as they are the most common. I also used two different juices, an 80/20 and a 50/50, PG/VG respectively. For the techy's...at 3.7v it would be a 5.2w vape and at 4.2v it would be a 6.8w vape.
THE VAPE:
I will cover the vape at the 4.2v range as it was the sweet spot but will let you know the difference at 3.7.
The "draw" on these is medium
Flavor- AMAZING!! as expected for a CE2 style carto but better than a CE2. The full flavor of the juice really came through. I will save room and say this goes for both juices tested. At 3.7 the taste only diminished by about 10 percent so the lower ohm carto would be better.
Vapor- LOTS OF IT!! With both juices. Very good vapor production. These are bottom coil so the vapor is on the cooler side.
Wicking- These wick quite well. I had a hard time getting a dry hit or gurgle. However, if you back to back chain them with a light "draw", you will get a slight dry hit. But, a stiffer followup draw will correct this. Both juices performed equally.
Now the main complaint you've all been waiting for....(drum roll)
Ok, since these are bottom coil they do pull juice up the air tube. After about 20-30 draws they will start to accumulate approximatly 0.1mls of juice between the fill plug and mouthpiece. After about 60 draws it will start to fill this area. What I did when this occurred was to take the mouthpiece off and draw it up with my syringe and save it for the next fill. However, I HAVE NOT gotten ANY juice in my mouth. I'm sure if you vaped an entire carto and let it completely fill up you may. Remember these do feed from the bottom and are NOT meant to be held upside down while vaping.
FINAL OPINION:
Are they perfect? No, but DAMN GOOD! IMO much better than the CE2's for the fans out there. I have been through about 8 refills now and I do not see any drop in performance at all in either of the two used.
Yes, the little rubber fill plug is a pain in the .... to get used to, but with practice it becomes no big deal (at least I don't have to pull out seals, plugs, fluff wicks, check atty coils, etc etc etc....before I can vape, in order to get a good vape. They are great right out of the box with NO MODS!!!!
Yes the small build up over time of juice coming up the tube is a pain but is remedied every 60 or so hits as I mentioned above.
Overall I am thoroughly impressed by these for two main reasons:
1. No modding, vape right out of the box the way they are suppossed to.
2.Give all of the things we expect from a good clearomizer- Great vapor, great flavor, convenience.
Hope this review helps. Till the next new thing I can't live without comes out, HAPPY VAPING!!!!!!!!
KT
I purchased these from my local brick and mortar for $15. They come in a pack of 5 in either 2.1-2.4ohm, 2.4-2.7ohm or 2.8-3.1ohm. The pack included 5 individually wrapped cartos, a pair of tweezers (for the fill plug, we'll talk more about this thing later), a plastic delrin style drip tip and a blunt tip metal filling needle.....
DESIGN:
This is a single coil, bottom atty, tank style unit, 510 connection. The tubes are the new injection molded, bulletproof polypropylene. No cracking or leaking...Yeaaa! It does have a wick that runs from the bottom approximately half way up the inside of the tank near the air tube (not sure if you can see it in the pic, sorry for quality and the fact I bought smokey black) It's in the foreground to the left of the tube...
FILLING: (the first kinda complaint!)
In order to fill these you have to take the cheap tweezers (use good tweezers) supplied and remove the small rubber plug in the fill hole...
Some advice...do not try to squeeze the hell out of this little plug while removing it or replacing it. It will turn into a microscopic pingpong ball and fly out of the tweezers never to be found. They do supply one extra plug in the kit, for obvious reasons.
Once the plug is out it's a normal syringe type fill. The hole is about twice the diameter of the needle, so it's not difficult...
Putting the fill plug back in is not so bad after some practice. Again, don't muscle it. Lightly guide it in and push it down. They hold approximately 1.2mls of juice. Both the supplied plastic drip tip and my metal drip fit perfectly.
EQUIPMENT:
The ohms of the cartos used was 2.4-2.6. I used my Provari (so I could test at different common voltages). The carto tested at 2.6ohms upon checking it with both the provari's built in meter and a stand alone volt meter. I vaped at 3.7v and 4.2v equally during the review. I picked these two volts as they are the most common. I also used two different juices, an 80/20 and a 50/50, PG/VG respectively. For the techy's...at 3.7v it would be a 5.2w vape and at 4.2v it would be a 6.8w vape.
THE VAPE:
I will cover the vape at the 4.2v range as it was the sweet spot but will let you know the difference at 3.7.
The "draw" on these is medium
Flavor- AMAZING!! as expected for a CE2 style carto but better than a CE2. The full flavor of the juice really came through. I will save room and say this goes for both juices tested. At 3.7 the taste only diminished by about 10 percent so the lower ohm carto would be better.
Vapor- LOTS OF IT!! With both juices. Very good vapor production. These are bottom coil so the vapor is on the cooler side.
Wicking- These wick quite well. I had a hard time getting a dry hit or gurgle. However, if you back to back chain them with a light "draw", you will get a slight dry hit. But, a stiffer followup draw will correct this. Both juices performed equally.
Now the main complaint you've all been waiting for....(drum roll)
Ok, since these are bottom coil they do pull juice up the air tube. After about 20-30 draws they will start to accumulate approximatly 0.1mls of juice between the fill plug and mouthpiece. After about 60 draws it will start to fill this area. What I did when this occurred was to take the mouthpiece off and draw it up with my syringe and save it for the next fill. However, I HAVE NOT gotten ANY juice in my mouth. I'm sure if you vaped an entire carto and let it completely fill up you may. Remember these do feed from the bottom and are NOT meant to be held upside down while vaping.
FINAL OPINION:
Are they perfect? No, but DAMN GOOD! IMO much better than the CE2's for the fans out there. I have been through about 8 refills now and I do not see any drop in performance at all in either of the two used.
Yes, the little rubber fill plug is a pain in the .... to get used to, but with practice it becomes no big deal (at least I don't have to pull out seals, plugs, fluff wicks, check atty coils, etc etc etc....before I can vape, in order to get a good vape. They are great right out of the box with NO MODS!!!!
Yes the small build up over time of juice coming up the tube is a pain but is remedied every 60 or so hits as I mentioned above.
Overall I am thoroughly impressed by these for two main reasons:
1. No modding, vape right out of the box the way they are suppossed to.
2.Give all of the things we expect from a good clearomizer- Great vapor, great flavor, convenience.
Hope this review helps. Till the next new thing I can't live without comes out, HAPPY VAPING!!!!!!!!
KT
Have you tried it with thicker liquids? These things never work for vg users. G4/CE2/Tanks are like the convenience you can't have unless you like near 100% pg.
CE2s I can get to work as intended if I cut the inner tube seal slots to make them bigger so I could invest in the newer CE2s with harder casings or try these CE3s out. Just if they're ever going to wick vg or if it's another product I can't use.
CE2s I can get to work as intended if I cut the inner tube seal slots to make them bigger so I could invest in the newer CE2s with harder casings or try these CE3s out. Just if they're ever going to wick vg or if it's another product I can't use.
i feel like a kindergartner in electrician trade school whenever i see #volts, and #ohms... 
I've got some of these on order now they can be bought in the uk from Totally Wicked. I'll be coming at these as someone who loves the performance and flavour of liquid from a CE2-XL but do get annoyed at the occasional wicking and the constant cracking plastic issues. If these perform well and without the need for too much modding or faffing about I'll be happy indeed.
Out of interest, if you vaped these without the small plug at all, providing you were careful and stored your PV upright, you could prob get away without the plugs right? I do feel they should have copied the mouthpiece and plug all in one idea from the giantomizer, would have reduced the need for tweezers and lost plugs. Through the catch would be no more custom drip tips I guess.
Out of interest, if you vaped these without the small plug at all, providing you were careful and stored your PV upright, you could prob get away without the plugs right? I do feel they should have copied the mouthpiece and plug all in one idea from the giantomizer, would have reduced the need for tweezers and lost plugs. Through the catch would be no more custom drip tips I guess.
The plug must be in zombitedesade, if not gravity will take over and the juice will drain out of the bottom over time.
Ok, I'm tired of hearing the BS about my review being of a "Beta" product. This was never a beta, it was what they were packing up and getting ready to ship at the time that I got my hands on it.
So to Royal Smoker, it was a final product. Then GotVapes got all in a huff and deleted their CE3 thread and said the CE3 sucked. And of course, everyone who had one agreed.
So they were forced to make changes. And the changes were minimal. A longer wick and repurposing the CE2 mouth piece as a replacement for their original crappy one.
You are only calling it "Beta" because GotVapes called it that to try an explain why it sucked. Look what they got for their troubles, everyone else is getting their CE3s before them.
My "revised" CE3s are on their way. New video coming soon.
So you got the CE3 from gotvapes. What was the date you got the CE3?
I'm concerned about cleaning and dry burning these style cartos. Part of the reason I switched to CE2s was they seemed easier to clean and I am able to burn all the junk off the coil to make them like new. Is this even possible with CE3s?
Bump. I swear the quickest way to kill a thread is for me to post in it
I don't think you killed it, just that nobody knows yet till they get in multiple users hands and they start trying things with them. They certainly don't look to be as easy to clean as a CE2 and I don't know how a dry burn would work if at all but I'm sure we'll have the answer to that soon.
Even if they aren't as easy to maintain I can still see them being valuable to people who like a cooler vape. Filler cartos aren't easily cleanable either and if these are of decent quality the flavor should be much better so even if you can't clean them or clean them easy they wouldn't last any less time than most of of the alternatives out.
Clinton350, I found today while messing with one that you can pull hard and remove the tank which gives pretty much direct axcess to the all metal 510 base containing the atty. Don't wanna ruin one just yet playing with it so I pushed it back on, filled and vaped yummy juice. 4 days and still going strong so I'm not about to destroy one to figure out how it works. When one dies I will and try to update the thread.
BTW Sense Field, relax bro, reviews are subjective opinion. The final full ship release of these is edition 3. You had edition 2, which I'm sorry to say, was NOT a mass ship final release. My brick and mortar deals directly with the MIT CEO almost on a daily basis. The CEO said that those were not final release, just a release of test and eval units for feed back. When the feed back was bad they scrapped the whole run and modified to fix, hence edition 3. I know GV deals directly with them too and I'm not doubting what you were told, but my B and M deals primarily with RS MIT stuff. Not all cartos make everyone happy, that's why there are so many different types out there. IMO if you compare these to the latest CE2's these are an out-of-the box vape with the flavor and vapor of a CE2 with no modding. Thats a step up.
BTW Sense Field, relax bro, reviews are subjective opinion. The final full ship release of these is edition 3. You had edition 2, which I'm sorry to say, was NOT a mass ship final release. My brick and mortar deals directly with the MIT CEO almost on a daily basis. The CEO said that those were not final release, just a release of test and eval units for feed back. When the feed back was bad they scrapped the whole run and modified to fix, hence edition 3. I know GV deals directly with them too and I'm not doubting what you were told, but my B and M deals primarily with RS MIT stuff. Not all cartos make everyone happy, that's why there are so many different types out there. IMO if you compare these to the latest CE2's these are an out-of-the box vape with the flavor and vapor of a CE2 with no modding. Thats a step up.
This is an inherent concern about any "Bottom Coil" carto design. The benefits of a mellower hit and a gravity feed system can sometimes effect Dry Burning for ultimate longevity.
This is the trade off seen in two diametrically opposed designs
Bump. I swear the quickest way to kill a thread is for me to post in it
Trust me. If a Thread has Merit, You can't kill it.
And this thread is Huge merit wise.
This thread raises many questions. One of which is can it be considered ethical to review a Beta Product for either good or bad. Another is can reviews be skewed for monetary reasons?
This thread isn't Dead. Feel free to post ANY member review of retail Released CE3.
I have a feeling there are going to be Many posts. Some good and some bad.
But that is what Independent Review of a Retail Product should be. A trial of many reviews.
Not Just One Person's opinion.
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